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That article states it won't support multitasking... crappy. android is the way to go IMO...

"The latter is practically inexcusable in this day and age -- even Apple (which has been a complete laggard in this area) now supports basic multitasking. When we heard in our meeting with Microsoft that the phone wouldn't even support something as simple as Pandora background streaming, our minds were a little blown. It's doubly irritating given the fact that just like in iPhone 1.0, the first-party apps are free to background all they want (mail loads, the browser pulls down pages, music plays in the background, etc.), so there isn't any technical reason why they couldn't extend some of this functionality to other applications. We're hoping that by some magical twist of fate these two items get addressed before launch... but we're not holding our breath."

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at launch there wont be multitasking, but there will be later on from an update

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But how stupid is that? With all the time they've had with this why not include it from the start? Just another instance of microsoft screwing themselves over.

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Its more important things on WP7 for MS to focus on rather than a full blown multitasking. It does multitasking but not with 3rd party apps at this moment, I dont think this will make or break me buying this device. It will be implemented later on but i dont see what the big fuss is about.

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hopefully someone will build an application that will allow it or they will change their minds about not having full blown multitasking. I DEMAND IT!!! lol

Seriously... They should def focus on it... What is this, an ipad? Lol

Sent from my HTC Evo 4G.

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So, can we say it's not a real smartphone when WP7 finally ships?

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nope its not..its goes into same category as iphone >.>

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I sarcasticly disagree with this statement. I'm saying it's currently worse than the iPhone--it has significantly fewer apps and feature sets then the iPhone currently does. Maybe in a few years it might catch up to be in the same category but so far I completely lack interest to own it. I'll still visit it in Novemember at the AT&T store to rate the hype but I'll definately skip the first year no matter how good it seems to be.

The only way Microsoft has a chance IMO with this phone is to be less strict with app approval. If Microsoft attempts to be as facist as Apple is they have no chance of competing in this race.

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Honestly.. this race is over before it even starts. Biggest thing to take into consideration is, even with the updates like froyo...android is only on their second version of their OS and even with the small upgrades, they're major compared to other OS. You can pretty much rest assured that 2011 and quite possibly 2012 will be all Android.

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I will say, and yes, there will be skeptics, that from recent findings on WP7 it is safe to say that even if it's not doomed, it is a joke.

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hey we all have our own opinions, i like the idea of windows phone 7. i got to try the evo for awhile and i thought droid was just ok, wasnt too impressed about it. cant wait to try out wp7.

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I say god no. A well thought out operating system that meshed to consumers immediately after released, that made the ioS and google android look stale in comparison. The simplicity of the ui concept, speed on the final devices are something to be marveled at.
It is a farcry from windows mobile, but it may be the OS that makes me happy to say I don't have to cook a rom for a while.
I don't use the social function much nor do I use the gaming applications, but gpu does make a difference and microsoft has focused directly on these aspects.
I sy kudos microsoft for marketing a new OS in a time where there are several - and the OS may be top dog

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The problem is we are going two ways at once, its almost as twisted as say "Fallout 3". Our hardware is racing into the future with great devices and Snapdragons and epic screens, but our software is pulling us back to like the 1,900s AD or something. This hardware could to so much, but sadly, the devices that run WM7 will be nothing more than wasted potential if somebody doesn't port Windows Mobile 6 or at very least Android over to them.

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howso? we have devices (namely the hd2, toshiba tg01, and other hd2 variants like the oboe) that run exactly those specs for wp7 devices and many still have issues with each device due to the limitations and dated coding from wm. So how is the potential of what wp7 can be wasted if much of the code is rewritten specifically for current devices running snapdragon processors and not running (so much) code with horrible limitations?

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Well, these are more or less UI limitations I am talking about. When I say this next part, I may sound heartless and cruel, but don't take it the wrong way please. People need to learn how to use touch screens, or we wouldn't have WM7 5 buttons on a single screen and toilet paper scrolling.
IMO.

- 2 Bunny

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the same toilet paper scrolling is on wp 6.5 and 6.5.5 builds as well. and the requirements for wp 6.5 was 4-5 buttons. I think people adjust depending on the tastes of the phone. I don't think that's the issue. In my eyes there is no reason why microsoft isn't pulling as much marketshare as android (and I still contend android is crap and quite comparable to the dated code of windows phone 6.5 and that's sad), and it would be pulling said share if it was marketed properly. The droid does commercials, why didn't microsoft think of that?

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I know. That's why I use WM6.1.

As far as commercials go, "Windows Mobile Does" would have been interesting at worst.

I guess we adjust to what is there, and apple took a slightly tight grip on the market, and that right there is the root of the problem: apple started this toilet paper nonsense.

- 2 Bunny

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i'm on the fence about wp7 from what i've read, but i'm gonna wait 'til it comes out 1st..i'm on the fence because it'll either be wp7 or winmo 6.5 for me :)!

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M$ is not aiming for Android, they are aiming at Apple...I do not think WP7 will take much of Androids market share as the user base is different..that said WP7 is gonna have a big fight on their hands mostly if the rumor is true about the iphone on all carriers.

Also, Android code is in no way dated...most issues with Android are attributed to battery and ram..if we got some upgraded tech that would even double the battery storage and double the ram it would be a beast of its own. While I do support setting minimum hardware requirements I do not see limited and strict OS is the future...as proof..even the iphone year by year is opening up more and more..

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Uh oh...
Analysts: Android will dominate by 2014 - CNN.com

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I'm all for Android (lessor of all the evils) but I think it will depend on how rigid Microsoft and Apple stay. Both are currently closed platform and as a result push people like me away that believe in free choice. However if/when people get fed up with WM/WP/iPhone or the current fad fades away, these companies might bend over backwards to make their customers happy and change their platform stance. If in 2011 Apple has 1/3 less sales or if WP7 sells less then the Kin did, they might reconsider their business strategy and that could make all the difference in the world.

It also depends who has the latest and greatest exclusive thrill out the year the phones released. If Facebook only came on a WP7 device for example, because of an exclusivity deal, boatloads of people would jump on WP7.

It's not like Android isn't without its share of problems either, I'm still waiting to hear that the Epic is able get through a full day on a single battery charge, there definitely seems to be a trade off between open/close platform and battery life...

There a too many variables to even attempt to predict what's going to happen in 2014. If Microsoft is 99% less restrictive then Apple is, M$ could overtake them, making them the direct competition with Android.

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Actually apple little by little is opening up...They are still pretty darn closed but maybe their goal is to start with full restrictions and open up little by little to deal with issues one at a time then having an open platform with a lot of issues to address.

I do not think M$ is gonna sell less WP7 then the kin obviously..and I'm sure they will put a lot of advertising into it..but I also don't think they will cover their costs either...mostly since what they announced sounds like they are trying to face the iPhone 2g rather then the iPhone 4-5..

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I doubt they're aiming for Apple. They're aiming to capture any market share at all - and I doubt they will. They gave up the business market to Blackberry. They gave up the consumer market to Apple/Android. I guess they're going for the die hard Microsoft fanboy market.

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At the rate android is growing its inevitable. Its reported that around 200K android phones ship per day.

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WP7 wont even be a part of this equation at this point. Apple, probably depending on if they ever spread to other carriers aside from AT&T. But if the iphone cant slow android down wp7 surely wont.

Wp7 definetly won't slow android down now that microsoft said there won't be cdma wp7 phones till 2011. I was looking forward to trying it out and possibly going back to windows. I guess they want me to continue falling in love with android.

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interesting...

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Yes!!

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those wanting to know from actual wp7 owners might want to keep track of these threads 7 Mozart General - xda-developers

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I think Droid will die in a couple or 3 years, and though 7 won't be much, 7.5 will, and it will be 7.5 vs iPhone.

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This may be the post of the year. What category is really up to your particular point of view :)

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Glad you liked it! :sleepy2:

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Thats funny since pretty much EVERY analyst says the exact opposite.:lol: At the rate android is growing, death in a year?:lol::lol::lol: WP is going to replace android? Now this was the laugh I needed for the day.

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Windows Phone 7.5 is coming out in 2015? I might be busy fighting thinking machines that are trying to destroy humanity.

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:sign5: :thumbright: :wav: :study:

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INFERNAL MACHINES!!!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p_mijyntof...t+computer.JPG

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Yeah, they've already won - look at the internet and these forums and how much time we give to them!

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Now that Sony has "more or less" just backed Android/Google this is probably going to be a major thorn in Microsoft's side. Android seems to be doing well solely on it's own, if Sony allows ports of it's games to the Android OS, Google's App store is going to surge with sales and that is going to hurt Microsoft with all the Sony loyalist jumping in on the Android bandwagon. It's going to be very interesting watching Microsoft attempt to climb out of the grave it dug for itself by this revamping of WP7 with limited feature sets. I find the timing of the engagdet article amusing being this close to the across the pond release.

Man--I just can't wait to see those sales numbers released to see what the majority says with their wallets/pocketbooks most of these threads will finally quiet down, one way or another...

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Wow... They're already revamping WP7? I thouhgt it just came out. LOL...
Sony is just buying its time. It's possitioning in anticipation of their last ditch effort...
Sony PlayStation Phone Pics And Specs Leaked, Release Date Still Unknown – - SoftSailor
They will surely release some titles to Android... But Android needs to lign themselves up with Nintendo... Cuz MS has Xbox... Sony has PS and Android has linux based developers.
lol.
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