Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2029801)

But see..this is the oversight on M$ part..when your building an OS that will come out in the future..you have to fight the enemies of tomorrow..not the enemies of today...even Palm released WebOS which at the time was on hardware on par with the times..M$ on the other-hand planned to release in end of 2010/early 2011 and did not take this into account? complete oversight...



The dual cores were available for purchase already this year..the newer 2nd gen snapdragons were available last year..they just cost more..manufacturers though choose to buy whatever gives them competitive performance for cheapest price to widen their profit margins...To be fair unlike Android M$ requires the hardware to be certified and optimized for before implementing it..so a dual core may be pushing it..BUT they really have no excuse for not releasing a 2nd gen 1ghz snapdragon similar to the one in the mytouch 4g..the processor as been out for over a year..and there really is no excuse..



It wasn't silly..people were looking at HTC Gold..and since HD2 came out over a year ago who would expect M$ to go with more of the same?
People thought M$ would work with hardware providers to ensure that they were ahead of the curve



CE7? you mean CE6...




Carriers still control updates :/...as for Qualcomm..they have good processors..the problem is either they price them too high, have too much licensing on every little tech(HTC drivers anyone?)..or manufacturers are being too cheap and trying to cut corners or up their profit margins..Samsung on the other hand produces their own processors and other hardware so they dont have to pay the middleman fees and put it in their devices cost effectively..

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2029878)

How much would you pay for a new OS on top of the line hardware??? The friggin TP2 set me back 400 out the door. I'm not paying that kind of money for any phone from this point forward. MS is keeping the price point down especially considering the demo they are after is my teenager and my 20 year old. Not buying them a 400 dollar phone. This is business... Not a game of keep the nerd boner going.

Why else do you think we are still getting 1500 mah batteries... There are much better batteries out there. There are also 120 gb memory cards. But all that fancyness comes with a price. A price I sure the hell will not pay. I'd rather go to a different platform.

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2029901)

It's a phone stupid!
You think you got a great deal? The epic is nice... Not 400+ out the door nice though.
You must have had to sell alot of meth to get that.
p.

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2029868)

Now I concede that point. It is very true that microsoft could've got the second gen snapdragon single core. But then I have to wonder about cost...and in that alienation of OEMs that are hanging on microsoft by a thin thread. I think the old snapdragon route was a good one imho and surprisingly is performing quite well especially with regard to gaming and ui experience. I'll get to the mt4g soon though.

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2029995)

The spartian is like a retarded pet... Let him be... He's no bother.

I've been trying to find something cool coming out of CES in the form of a WP7 device... Nothing yet. The day is young though. It looks as though tablets are the stars of the show. Yet... I see nothing priced for the common mortal. Or anythign from Sprint! WTF? EVO Shift is what we get from Sprint?
Verizon has a butload of Android phones. Some with some very nice looking design lines and beeffy hardware to match.
p.

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2030019)

Here's something... Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' update hitting phones in early February, 'Mango' coming later with IE9? -- Engadget#

Shows some promise as far as the processors are concerned.
p.

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2030034)

not till thurs for wp7 news and tablet news
actually my eyes are still set on the hp 2740p convertible tablet not these flipping toys everyone goes gaga for.
Sprint...you know I don't think they were existent at this CES for much...not even the evo was announced then actually...
but to tide you over next month update does bring cdma support, some major bug fixes, and a few other things. Sadly as gTen corrected me, it is carrier based...which means not good...either that or we need some f/w leaks and now

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2030066)

This is no toy --- >>> Asus: "This Is the Most Powerful Tablet in the World"


Asus just pulled out their Core i5-powered, Windows 7-running Eee Pad Slate tablet, calling it "the most powerful tablet in the world." Probably so! They proved their point by simultaneously playing 1080p video and running photo editing software.
The video seems to be running without any problems, and the handwriting recognition Asus is showing off is pretty impressive. So far so good! And it certainly looks good on paper: 12.1" multitouch IPS display; 64GB SSD with 4GB memory; 10.1 Flash capable, etc. It is certainly big and bad, but what remains to be seen is how useful it'll be as a tablet.


Hands-on with the ASUS EP121 Slate PC

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2030059)

Az those are toys not the tablet for me =/
gten actually it would be great maybe ask courtney and see if you can do a writeup on your experience there that would bring ppcgeeks a lot more unique visitors too!

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2030066)

This is no toy --- >>> Asus: "This Is the Most Powerful Tablet in the World"


Asus just pulled out their Core i5-powered, Windows 7-running Eee Pad Slate tablet, calling it "the most powerful tablet in the world." Probably so! They proved their point by simultaneously playing 1080p video and running photo editing software.
The video seems to be running without any problems, and the handwriting recognition Asus is showing off is pretty impressive. So far so good! And it certainly looks good on paper: 12.1" multitouch IPS display; 64GB SSD with 4GB memory; 10.1 Flash capable, etc. It is certainly big and bad, but what remains to be seen is how useful it'll be as a tablet.


Hands-on with the ASUS EP121 Slate PC

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2030086)

uhm asus...er...uhm...
hp 2740p convertible is far more powerful with 8gb max ram, 4 point capacitive touch screen i7 2.6 gig processor option of ssd (256 gig) or 500 gig standard hd...
the only problem is screen resolution, but otherwise it is still the cream of the crop and it was released LAST year
sadly its 3k =(

Originally Posted by sp4rtan5 (Post 2029378)

Oh look! Bike bandit angry he got ripped off with yet another crippled htc phone. Sorry bike bandit, us sgs owners donr gotta tweak anything to makw it work. Go ro xda a try theur new alpha 3d drivers for htc phones, good luck.

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Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2029543)

It wasn't about Android..it was about how WP7 stacks up to Android AND iphone and other platforms that may come out..since I had an Epic I guess people took the liberty to attack Android..personally as I said I owe my loyalty to no manufacturer and to no OS.. only who ever gives me the ebst package at the time..my choice of the Epic is solely based on that...

I personally think M$ choice of going in with a 1st gen snapdragon was a bad one..and you know that yourself cause I remember back in the day on the WP7 gang thread the posts were about 1.2ghz phones, 2ghz phones, dual cores and etc..and instead we got that..I mean admit it..even you didn't expect that..and what I am saying is with having the old snapdragon as the minimum it will bring the platform down for at least a year..maybe even 2...its not saying that its 100% doomed..but this is one brick off the bottom..



The processor and carriers still having control..

Originally Posted by sp4rtan5 (Post 2029894)

Thats why u getting whay u getting dumb llama! U get whay you pay for! Under 200$? No cutting edge top of the line cpu fo u!


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Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2029995)

The spartian is like a retarded pet... Let him be... He's no bother.

I've been trying to find something cool coming out of CES in the form of a WP7 device... Nothing yet. The day is young though. It looks as though tablets are the stars of the show. Yet... I see nothing priced for the common mortal. Or anythign from Sprint! WTF? EVO Shift is what we get from Sprint?
Verizon has a butload of Android phones. Some with some very nice looking design lines and beeffy hardware to match.
p.

Originally Posted by Noir (Post 2030034)

not till thurs for wp7 news and tablet news
actually my eyes are still set on the hp 2740p convertible tablet not these flipping toys everyone goes gaga for.
Sprint...you know I don't think they were existent at this CES for much...not even the evo was announced then actually...
but to tide you over next month update does bring cdma support, some major bug fixes, and a few other things. Sadly as gTen corrected me, it is carrier based...which means not good...either that or we need some f/w leaks and now

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2030051)

I am not saying better hardware is not coming..but I do think M$ overlooked setting a minimum on the GPU..on a locked down platform like WP7 where M$ tries to avoid "fragmentation" as they call it..it will really bog down the platform for at least a year..I am fully aware that its 1.0 and etc..and Android and iphone both started somewhere..but this day and age its a lot less forgiving...even Apple as ironic as it is released better hardware then all Android phones...up until the Galaxy S...



I may actually end up going to CES..I'm in town around that time so if I finish what I need to I may attend one of the days :)

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2030066)

This is no toy --- >>> Asus: "This Is the Most Powerful Tablet in the World"


Asus just pulled out their Core i5-powered, Windows 7-running Eee Pad Slate tablet, calling it "the most powerful tablet in the world." Probably so! They proved their point by simultaneously playing 1080p video and running photo editing software.
The video seems to be running without any problems, and the handwriting recognition Asus is showing off is pretty impressive. So far so good! And it certainly looks good on paper: 12.1" multitouch IPS display; 64GB SSD with 4GB memory; 10.1 Flash capable, etc. It is certainly big and bad, but what remains to be seen is how useful it'll be as a tablet.


Hands-on with the ASUS EP121 Slate PC

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2030103)

I can writeup even without asking..all mods have access to write on the news page..If there is anything you want me to specifically check out tell me..I can't make any guarantees though since as I said I don't know how much time I will have and a lot of it may be wasted getting lost or being distracted by shiny gadgets..



Playing 1080p and photo editing software at once isn't that impressive...I mean even a Hummingbird CPU can play back 1080p..I don't know if it can do photo editing at same time though but you get the point...




so its called the 2740p and has low resolution screen? the irony >.> lol..
Though asus is not lying..just what your showing is a convertible..

I will tell you this though..I bought my friend an HP convertible and they liked it, so I shortly bought myself one..1 month after the 1 year warranty ran out their convertible fried...same for me, 2 month later after my 1 year warranty ran out my convertible fried...so as you can guess I am not to thrilled with HP after that :/

Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2030022)

Wirelessly posted (PPCGEEKS Fire Dept.: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Windows Phone 6.5))

keeping on topic, i'm going to watch an episode of familt guy now via netflix....not bragging, just pointing out that wp7 is the only that has it so it can't be a doomed os....i know a whole bunch of fandroids that would love that app :D.

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA (Post 2030066)

This is no toy --- >>> Asus: "This Is the Most Powerful Tablet in the World"


Asus just pulled out their Core i5-powered, Windows 7-running Eee Pad Slate tablet, calling it "the most powerful tablet in the world." Probably so! They proved their point by simultaneously playing 1080p video and running photo editing software.
The video seems to be running without any problems, and the handwriting recognition Asus is showing off is pretty impressive. So far so good! And it certainly looks good on paper: 12.1" multitouch IPS display; 64GB SSD with 4GB memory; 10.1 Flash capable, etc. It is certainly big and bad, but what remains to be seen is how useful it'll be as a tablet.


http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b...1slate-pc.aspx

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 2030137)

and so sad for you to be stuck with your non hardware accelerated gpu, no wonder you need higher specs and yet still get choppy scrolling...



How many phones are running hummingbird processors that don't have samsung on the back??? I haven't seen one.
MS chose to take an established processor and hardware accelerate it. Can't complain about that. If there are no new phones with updated processors by next xmas, then you can come back and say I told you so, but until then...



and no hardware acceleration for you!!!



That new Asus tablet looks promising, but 1100.00??? Don't think the wife will let me.
Now that new mitisubishi 92in dlp??? It's on my santa list already... :mrgreen:



guess this means that sprint and verizon still have another month before their wp7 headsets are coming out...



you really think that the galaxy s phones have better hardware than the iphone 4??? Why?




Me wants, but is to expensive..



then why don't the galaxy s phones have 1080p recording like the new lg?

Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 2030137)

and so sad for you to be stuck with your non hardware accelerated gpu, no wonder you need higher specs and yet still get choppy scrolling...

Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2030170)

i would tell ex to use gps on his epic to find a mental hospital....wait...the great hummingbird can't get a correct gps fix...

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2030253)

Umm..Android has hardware acceleration..Apps can enable it if they choose to..Firefox 4 and Opera are an example of apps that use hardware acceleration



Meizu M9? iphone 4(kinda)



Samsung is an established processor company, they made processors for pretty much all the iphones and many other phones...

As for updating the hardware by next christmas..you COMPLETELY missed the point..I am saying the minimum is going to hold the platform back because it is too low...(at least in gaming)



Hardware acceleration exists on Android..sigh...




Is DLP even worth getting?



Galaxy S = 1ghz Hummingbird + SGX540
iPhone4 = 850mhz A4(cousin to the Hummingbird) + SGX535

See any reason?



Actually, the Hummingbird is capable of recording and playing 1080p..and it should be possible...BUT the default software/drivers installed are configured for 720p for both playing back and recording..1080p was already unlocked on the iphone I hear..just takes someone to unlock it for us :/



Dr.8820..your not going to like this but..the Hummingbird unlike the snapdragon does not HAVE a GPS built in..Snapdragons are a multichip in 1..Hummingbird is a CPU and jsut that..our GPS is provided by..

*drum roll*

Qualcomm QSC6085 - yeah Qualcomm :/

Originally Posted by Dr.8820 (Post 2030439)

now that the riff raff is gone, wp7 is not doomed :).

Originally Posted by gTen (Post 2031034)

The original estimate date was in march for the cdma phone and the update..then some people bumped it saying January..and M$ won't release sales cause its not a good number...