Understanding what WP7 is and the true pros/cons.

[itster]

Originally Posted by joe50000

Personally my biggest problem with WP7 is that it should have come out years ago. It's been over 3 years since the iPhone debuted, and in typical MS fashion, they got complacent and just let their market die. They expected other companies like HTC, Samsung, and SPB make up for all the deficiencies of their OS: too functional, not enough form, not easy to use, etc etc. They were last to the party when it came to having an app market despite having the oldest OS. This sorta reminds me of the problems behind Windows 7 itself. It should have come out years ago, and were it not for Macs being overpriced, and the continued support of WinXP, they would have lost control of the PC market.

let me explain windows mobile to you if you haven't gotten the idea all these years. It's not a gameboy or any other type of toy you may be thinking of, it's a business device and the OS was designed to compete with Palm OS and symbian smartphones. MS got lazy because it was their market and no one cant touch it. Then Apple came along with the Ipod with a built in phone idea that many thought would not take off, but it did.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with windows mobile at it's current state. If your phone crashes it's because you screw around with the OS by downloading beta's all day/week/month/year. The OS is very fast if you dont have junk like Sense running on top of it that slow it down drastically. I know it's not cute like the cute buttons on android and iphone devices, but it's a business device and the main screen on windows mobile is meant to be direct and to the point. that's something microsoft has been very successful at for many years.

Those of you that think MS takes the market back, you better think again because MS went into the smartphone business with palm holding almost 90% of the market and took it over quickly.

also windows phone 7 devices do have multi-tasking abilities but not refined. look at this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5G-Jj33XQI

although i will not purchase a windows phone7 device until the usb drive option has been implimented, i still think it's the best OS out there hands down.

those of you that point out the kin: the reason the Kin failed is because verizon was charging the smartphone $30 fee on top of this device if you wanted it. Smart parents would not pay $30 for that device and ultimately it failed. I blame MS because they should have know better than to launch this device on verizon network instead of T-Mobile and/or sprint because of their price points. the kin would have been very successful as were the sidekicks were when they lanched only on t-mobile.

[JamesHulsmann]

Originally Posted by itster

let me explain windows mobile to you if you haven't gotten the idea all these years. It's not a gameboy or any other type of toy you may be thinking of, it's a business device and the OS was designed to compete with Palm OS and symbian smartphones. MS got lazy because it was their market and no one cant touch it. Then Apple came along with the Ipod with a built in phone idea that many thought would not take off, but it did.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with windows mobile at it's current state. If your phone crashes it's because you screw around with the OS by downloading beta's all day/week/month/year. The OS is very fast if you dont have junk like Sense running on top of it that slow it down drastically. I know it's not cute like the cute buttons on android and iphone devices, but it's a business device and the main screen on windows mobile is meant to be direct and to the point. that's something microsoft has been very successful at for many years.

Those of you that think MS takes the market back, you better think again because MS went into the smartphone business with palm holding almost 90% of the market and took it over quickly.

also windows phone 7 devices do have multi-tasking abilities but not refined. look at this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5G-Jj33XQI

although i will not purchase a windows phone7 device until the usb drive option has been implimented, i still think it's the best OS out there hands down.

those of you that point out the kin: the reason the Kin failed is because verizon was charging the smartphone $30 fee on top of this device if you wanted it. Smart parents would not pay $30 for that device and ultimately it failed. I blame MS because they should have know better than to launch this device on verizon network instead of T-Mobile and/or sprint because of their price points. the kin would have been very successful as were the sidekicks were when they lanched only on t-mobile.

rumor has it that delays in MS to deliver the Kin are what ultimatety got Verizon to charage more than they were going to, in other worde - the origianl deal included pricing that would probably have been successfull, but after the delays, its basicalyl became "why should I get a Kin if I can get a full smar tphone for the same rates?"...

[sprinttouch666]

Originally Posted by itster

also windows phone 7 devices do have multi-tasking abilities but not refined. look at this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5G-Jj33XQI

I hate to burst your bubble (because i really like WP7) but this only worked because WP7 was in Alpha stages. This app would not run in the background on the current emulator. (I know, I have been playing around with it)

[gTen]

Originally Posted by itster

Those of you that think MS takes the market back, you better think again because MS went into the smartphone business with palm holding almost 90% of the market and took it over quickly.

That statement is a contradiction....you meant to say "those of you that don't think MS takes the market back"?

If so..don't compare fighting Palm at an early stage to fighting off Google and Apple...thats like saying..hey I took over a fortress alone against butterflies....now watch me go it alone against dragons....not to mention, entering in new gives you an "underdog" advantage...re-branding yourself is a lot harder...there will be people who used winmo and didn't like it and won't bother even trying wp7...

Not to mention this time they are going in without Verizon in the initial launch...

those of you that point out the kin: the reason the Kin failed is because verizon was charging the smartphone $30 fee on top of this device if you wanted it. Smart parents would not pay $30 for that device and ultimately it failed. I blame MS because they should have know better than to launch this device on verizon network instead of T-Mobile and/or sprint because of their price points. the kin would have been very successful as were the sidekicks were when they lanched only on t-mobile.

Reason kin failed was because there were people in M$ that wanted it to fail...specifically the guy who is in charge of making WP7 was jealous of the kin and did everything to prevent it from succeeding...