Understanding what WP7 is and the true pros/cons.

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by gTen

My guess the iphone 4 will use the Samsung Hummingbird >.>..it kinda makes sense considering it was a Samsung and Intrinsity collaboration.

and Intrinsity is owned now by Apple I think..

perhaps.


Either way it will be interesting to see what they come out with and I will probably get one just to play with it, along with the Evo (or similar Android that comes out at that time).

[pimppoet]

Originally Posted by gTen

So why not just get an iPhone and have all that now and more?

The point of windows mobile was for it to be like a pc..if they take that away might it is no different then an iPhone thats years behind...

exactly...the wing was my 1st winmo cell & it was a easy switch but im the type of person to research products & actually read the manual. It wasnt the fastest cell but it did all what I needed to. I got my tp2 & it made the experience better. I was looking forward to hd2 type and better specs to make it even better but now we have top notch hardware with a slacking os.

[cohowap]

Originally Posted by sbl

You sound like a VB "programmer". You do realize how much of the WIN32 API is not available from .NET CF, and how much of .NET CF is just pInvokes into native code, right? WP7 is CE6 under the covers, just like WM is CE5 under the covers. Native code will always be there whether you think you need it or not. Do you think the drivers in WP7 are written in .NET?

Not a VB coder lol... I code all C's (C#, C/C++) and honestly, are you gonna go write a driver for the phone?

I understand the wants to use native api's but the fact remains, 95% of the apps that will be written don't require native code and the other 4 of the other 5% can work around the need. The only thing I can think of that native code would be requires is something that needs system level access that MS didn't expose a managed api for (right now sockets and intercepting video/sound/phone streams area all i can really think of).

And .NET is alot more than pinvokes, if you think that then you're far lost into what .NET can do. Granted, .NET CF is a subset of the true .NET framework, but a majority of the primary functionality is there with exception to the desktop specifics and features MS didn't seem to be neccesary or wanted to block the use of.

In fact, I am so confident that I can devise an alternate development plan for anyone who thinks they need native code access, just post what you want to do, I challenge you. As long as it isn't something MS is fully blocking, give me an app that you think will 100% need native code and I'll come up with a work around.

[saibot]

Originally Posted by cohowap

2) No Side-Loading Application.

The cons of this are pretty simple, you'll lose the ability to load apps just downloaded from our favorite sites. I don't see this as a big deal from a User standpoint, as you can easily flip over to the market place and install from there, no real biggy. It also gives you a place to store all your applications wherever you go, no need to waste storage on CAB files sitting around. Moreover, it will give you access to a central location to obtain these applications. Instead of having to dig around and googling, looking for working links, having 10 sites you have to register for, give credit card info to etc...

It is a really big deal from a user standpoint. Not everything is in the Marketplace, it isn't that hard to find great applications thanks to great sites such as this one. Wasting storage on CAB files? Are you joking? They take up a few kb each. You're truly creating a dilemma where there was none. I've gotten almost nothing from the Marketplace. I usually see it as a waste of time since I can get more useful applications for free. I don't want an apple App Store. I can tell you I find what I'm looking for much quicker by googling or checking a few sites. You know that you have to register to use Marketplace, right?

This along with the other downsides are why a large group, myself included, will be leaving to Android. Then maybe M$ will listen to the base that has been supporting them this entire time. Unless they make a professional version that gives us back multitasking (which isn't the new iphone going to do?) along with all the other features. Without them, the phone loses it's business appeal.

Why is the iPhone so popular? I'll give you the reason since you seem to be out of touch. Marketing! That's right. Same way that the iPod is more popular than a Zune. MSFT isn't grabbing any of the iphone's market because the iphone is the status symbol and MSFT is for geeks. So to sum it up, if people wanted an iPhone, they would have bought an iPhone. And the iPhone does not function well as a phone. The call quality is terrible compared to my HTC phone. Can add features, but don't break what was already there and the original reason people purchased the product.

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by saibot

It is a really big deal from a user standpoint. Not everything is in the Marketplace, it isn't that hard to find great applications thanks to great sites such as this one. Wasting storage on CAB files? Are you joking? They take up a few kb each. You're truly creating a dilemma where there was none. I've gotten almost nothing from the Marketplace. I usually see it as a waste of time since I can get more useful applications for free. I don't want an apple App Store. I can tell you I find what I'm looking for much quicker by googling or checking a few sites. You know that you have to register to use Marketplace, right?

This along with the other downsides are why a large group, myself included, will be leaving to Android. Then maybe M$ will listen to the base that has been supporting them this entire time. Unless they make a professional version that gives us back multitasking (which isn't the new iphone going to do?) along with all the other features. Without them, the phone loses it's business appeal.

Why is the iPhone so popular? I'll give you the reason since you seem to be out of touch. Marketing! That's right. Same way that the iPod is more popular than a Zune. MSFT isn't grabbing any of the iphone's market because the iphone is the status symbol and MSFT is for geeks. So to sum it up, if people wanted an iPhone, they would have bought an iPhone. And the iPhone does not function well as a phone. The call quality is terrible compared to my HTC phone. Can add features, but don't break what was already there and the original reason people purchased the product.

having owned winmo, android, and an iphone I can tell you that the iphone call quality is just as good as an HTC phone. I much prefer the app store/cydia/rock over having to google cabs all the time. But winmo does have UI customizations (6.5) that I love, even more so than android.

The Iphone has apps as the main plus over both android and winmo. what they hell are they doing with winpho7? taking away the UI customizations, trying to be like an iphone/android. I can respect adapting to the competition, but not with something they already have over you. Of course, flash may never come to Iphone so that's a plus for the other two.

I will get a winpho7 just for the novelty and curiosity, but I am telling you android looks soo much sweeter and iphone OS 4.0 on the 4G is starting to look better than winpho7 right now.

[sbl]

Originally Posted by cohowap

...and honestly, are you gonna go write a driver for the phone?

Well, not to burst your bubble, but yes. Where I work we make ruggedized PDA's. I download the AKU's, spin the OS, write drivers, etc.

I don't necessarily disagree with you that .NET CF has come a long way and can do a lot of things, but it can't do it all and it NEVER will. You should ALWAYS use the right tool for the job. When you take the evangelistic stand, you lose sight of that. Remember, there are no absolutes, so NEVER and ALWAYS should not be a part of your vocabulary. :^)

sbl

[saibot]

Originally Posted by orangekid

having owned winmo, android, and an iphone I can tell you that the iphone call quality is just as good as an HTC phone.

Well, many disagree. Myself included, having used a iphone. Perhaps it's just the crap network it's on, but HTCs definitely have much better voice call quality. Not to mention a battery I can easily swap. And when WinMo, Android, BB, Symbian, even WebOS are enjoying full flash, the trendy iphone becomes even less appealing.

You may prefer to have to pay for apps in a store, I find what I'm looking for much more quickly with google, just looking through the forums, or checking freeware sites. Doesn't mean that my option should be taken away. Have yet to see the advantage of any iphone app over any winmo or android app.

If your talking 4G, it's the EVO. Can't go iphone 2G, 3G, 3GS, then change to describe the phone generation instead of the network. Could care less about their new phone anyway since the EVO seems much more appealing than a Zune phone or the restrictive phone it's based on. Could I be wrong and WP7 phones take off? Sure. Can they improve and I'll consider getting one in the future? Hope so. But am I going to support going backwards after the freedom I've become accustomed to? NO!

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by saibot

Well, many disagree. Myself included, having used a iphone. Perhaps it's just the crap network it's on, but HTCs definitely have much better voice call quality. Not to mention a battery I can easily swap. And when WinMo, Android, BB, Symbian, even WebOS are enjoying full flash, the trendy iphone becomes even less appealing.

You may prefer to have to pay for apps in a store, I find what I'm looking for much more quickly with google, just looking through the forums, or checking freeware sites. Doesn't mean that my option should be taken away. Have yet to see the advantage of any iphone app over any winmo or android app.

If your talking 4G, it's the EVO. Can't go iphone 2G, 3G, 3GS, then change to describe the phone generation instead of the network. Could care less about their new phone anyway since the EVO seems much more appealing than a Zune phone or the restrictive phone it's based on. Could I be wrong and WP7 phones take off? Sure. Can they improve and I'll consider getting one in the future? Hope so. But am I going to support going backwards after the freedom I've become accustomed to? NO!

I am on T-Mobile with my iPhone, and it has better call quality than my MyTouch 3G fully flashed on a really amazing eclair 2.1.

free apps eh? I have over 100 games (all free, none warez) on my iPhone, how many free games are you rocking combined on your OS's? I have free apps all over the place on my iPhone.

so you're telling me that wnmo has comparable apps/games to the iPhone? even die hard winmo cooks (one of which i used to be) know that's not even close to a reality. android is catching up app-wise (not there yet) but adroid games pretty much suck right now compared to iPhone.

The no-swap battery I hate, I wish the iPhone could do that, but it charges to full in like a half hour which is a nice mitigation.

I actually like Android more than iPhone OS, but you gotta give credit where it's due and realize that the iPhone has a lot of redeeming quality, but just like any other phone it's not perfect.

As far as customization, I am currently rocking a really nice Nexus One theme (has all android icons, sounds, skins) with the nexus one LWP with the lines and a good lockscreen, if you know the ropes you can change the UI look pretty nicely.

[jamice4u]

Here are some basic features for the Iphone. I will get it if it comes out on sprint. Because this quality of the os on the iphone is so much better a lot of company are making software for the iphone. I hear that the camera on the iphone will be even better. The windows mobile phone made by htc has always had problems with there camera. If microsoft can make the os similar to windows 6.5 with multi-tasking, copying and pasting and improve there camera then I would get a windows mobile phone. I love the windows mobile business suite but I love the fact that apple is more in touch with their customer base.

A few features of iPhone 4G:
A new, sleeker body design.
OLED screen.
Multi-Tasking. (use multiple functions at once without going in and out of apps).
iChat camera (on the front so you can have video chat!!!).
32G (basic) and 64G of memory. You're sure to never run out.

Removable Battery.

Hi Definition Camera.
Hi Definition Camcorder.
Hi Definition audio.
Messaging light.
True GPS built in.

[TheShade001]

Is this an iPhone thread?

if you are a pc user, the iPhone sucks plain and simple. I mean unless you are a kid with no job and want a nifty toy. OOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOOOOO! A new sleek design?! ooooooOOOOOOooooo!

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