Understanding what WP7 is and the true pros/cons.

[saibot]

It seems the fanboys got in here. The Os so great it will be the ONLY "smartphone" without flash. Yeah, sounds great. The call quality is terrible to anyone but fanboys. The OS is too restrictive. And the apps that they rave about are garbage. Yay! Your phone can fart! The games suck on all phones. Name one thing an iphone app can do that a WinMo can't... Still waiting, but I'll give you some that the App store doesn't have that WinMo does. And oh goody, you get the use iTunes to put music on your phone. So jealous. 100's of free apps? So what. Apparently you must be new here because WinMo has websites with 1000's of free apps. Android is passing you up on the apps as well. Face it, your iphone sucks as a phone, orangekid. It's an ipod with a sorry excuse for a phone built in. Compare it to an HD2. Or a Nexus One. Or the upcoming EVO. What does iphone OS have on that? Nothing.

Still can't battery swap, or customize, and are under Apple's fascist app control. Reviews worldwide and everyone you call on your iphone agree the call quality sucks, but no, your right. Yours is different. And for the last time, THERE IS NO IPHONE 4G. You fanboys get sucked in by any buzzwords I don't know where you got that the battery was removable. Apparently you missed the story of the found iphone prototype that's been all over the news. AT least they did make it bigger. Multitasking has been around a while as well as OLED. All phones have GPS. And the camera is 5MP which is already beat by HTC. Also see the HD buzzword has got you. BTW the screen seems to have gotten smaller instead of bigger.

Nothing wrong with the iphone though. It has it's spot with trendy apple followers that like to brag about their phone with yesterday's technology like it just came out.

Anyway this isn't a discussion about iPhones. It's about WP7 and it's terrible decision to try and be like iPhone, so take your apple fanboyism to the proper thread.

[Mr.KLeen]

cant wait for wp7, booya;]

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by jamice4u

Here are some basic features for the Iphone. I will get it if it comes out on sprint. Because this quality of the os on the iphone is so much better a lot of company are making software for the iphone. I hear that the camera on the iphone will be even better. The windows mobile phone made by htc has always had problems with there camera. If microsoft can make the os similar to windows 6.5 with multi-tasking, copying and pasting and improve there camera then I would get a windows mobile phone. I love the windows mobile business suite but I love the fact that apple is more in touch with their customer base.

A few features of iPhone 4G:
A new, sleeker body design.
OLED screen.
Multi-Tasking. (use multiple functions at once without going in and out of apps).
iChat camera (on the front so you can have video chat!!!).
32G (basic) and 64G of memory. You're sure to never run out.

Removable Battery.

Hi Definition Camera.
Hi Definition Camcorder.
Hi Definition audio.
Messaging light.
True GPS built in.

what's the source for this?

Originally Posted by TheShade001

Is this an iPhone thread?

if you are a pc user, the iPhone sucks plain and simple. I mean unless you are a kid with no job and want a nifty toy. OOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOOOOO! A new sleek design?! ooooooOOOOOOooooo!

funny

What does your computer OS have to do with the iPhone, you can do anything with your iPhone from a pc that you can from a mac.

And of course we are going to get "iPhone sucks" people. I see you are rocking a Pro2. What is it specifically that "sucks" about the iPhone that your pro2 is doing?

The way things look right now I'd rather be rocking an iPhone 4G over winpho7 (although I will most assuredly have both + an android device)

[gTen]

Originally Posted by orangekid

What does your computer OS have to do with the iPhone, you can do anything with your iPhone from a pc that you can from a mac.

Ahm..you actually use a mac?

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by gTen

Ahm..you actually use a mac?

I don't, that was my point.

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by saibot

It seems the fanboys got in here. The Os so great it will be the ONLY "smartphone" without flash. Yeah, sounds great. The call quality is terrible to anyone but fanboys. The OS is too restrictive. And the apps that they rave about are garbage. Yay! Your phone can fart! The games suck on all phones. Name one thing an iphone app can do that a WinMo can't... Still waiting, but I'll give you some that the App store doesn't have that WinMo does. And oh goody, you get the use iTunes to put music on your phone. So jealous. 100's of free apps? So what. Apparently you must be new here because WinMo has websites with 1000's of free apps. Android is passing you up on the apps as well. Face it, your iphone sucks as a phone, orangekid. It's an ipod with a sorry excuse for a phone built in. Compare it to an HD2. Or a Nexus One. Or the upcoming EVO. What does iphone OS have on that? Nothing.

Still can't battery swap, or customize, and are under Apple's fascist app control. Reviews worldwide and everyone you call on your iphone agree the call quality sucks, but no, your right. Yours is different. And for the last time, THERE IS NO IPHONE 4G. You fanboys get sucked in by any buzzwords I don't know where you got that the battery was removable. Apparently you missed the story of the found iphone prototype that's been all over the news. AT least they did make it bigger. Multitasking has been around a while as well as OLED. All phones have GPS. And the camera is 5MP which is already beat by HTC. Also see the HD buzzword has got you. BTW the screen seems to have gotten smaller instead of bigger.

Nothing wrong with the iphone though. It has it's spot with trendy apple followers that like to brag about their phone with yesterday's technology like it just came out.

Anyway this isn't a discussion about iPhones. It's about WP7 and it's terrible decision to try and be like iPhone, so take your apple fanboyism to the proper thread.

Well the subject did come up. As for me being "new"

I have owned a winmo phone for a long while, I have downloaded a crapload of cabs, I have flashed ROMs and cooked custom ROMs and customized my kitchen with loads and loads of ext packs, recmodded builds, etc... so I do know what I'm talking about.

I also own a MyTouch 3G, I have rooted it, flashed a custom eclair ROM on it (after flashing various eclair sense UI roms and such) and installed many programs and APKs, so i know android pretty well now too. My girl has a Nexus One and I am constantly playing with it.

I also own an iPhone and have jailbroken and unlocked it, modified it a million different ways. Here are some things you may not know, you are either willing to actually assimilate information into your current view, or you have to hold onto your current view no matter what the evidence.

1) iPhone OS can run awesome games that android and winmo can't match, not just fat apps, but legitimate awesome games, head over to the iPhone forums to see which ones

2) iPhone OS is linux/unix based, so it runs a lot more efficiently (like android) than winmo ever could, no crashes, constant restarts, etc...

3) iPhone OS can multitask (jailbroken), has real multi-touch built into the OS (doesn't need HTC to add it like the HD2)

4) I use mediamonkey to sync music (I hate itunes) into my iPhone.

5) can't get iheartradio for winmo (use it to stream some radio stations no one else has)

call quality is better than the mytouch, about the same as the Diamond, not as good as the Nexus One.


Having said that I still maintain I prefer Android to iPhone OS and winmo. winpho7 looks to be an epic failure because it tries to be like the iPhone OS without the open-source awesomeness that Android provides.





edit: btw android is ported on iPhone so we will be able to run both iPhone OS and Android on the 4G

[AZTECHKA]

If the iPhone comes to Sprint... I will MOST DEFFINETELY be getting one.


For my wife. ( she likes the networked scrabble game )

WP7 all the way for me.
Even 1st Gen.
Can't wait.
p.

[TheShade001]

Originally Posted by orangekid

What does your computer OS have to do with the iPhone, you can do anything with your iPhone from a pc that you can from a mac.

And of course we are going to get "iPhone sucks" people. I see you are rocking a Pro2. What is it specifically that "sucks" about the iPhone that your pro2 is doing?

The way things look right now I'd rather be rocking an iPhone 4G over winpho7 (although I will most assuredly have both + an android device)

Well, first off - I didn't mean to start anything that would get nasty and compel anyone to be critical of other users here. I don't share the sentiments of some other posts that were taking the iPhone thing to a more personal area.

I am always open for a good, rational debate with opposing views. I am not loyal to MS, Google, or Apple. So whoever puts out the best device for me (that best unifies the things i care about) is the one i will grab.

To answer your questions:

"What does the OS have anything to do with the iPhone?"
Sheesh. For me it is everything. Although i do not have an iPhone, many in my family do so i have spent much time with it (not claiming to be an expert on all things Apple). For starters, the number one complaint that i hear among PC users with iPhones is how terrible iTunes is. On a regular basis i see family members hitting there computer, waiting hours sometimes to get everything synced - if they are lucky. Sometimes they will wait that long only to find it crashed or something went wrong with it causing them to start over. For PC users, trying to sync music or copy files to your device is a simple, easy and seamless experience on a pc based phone.

How about sycing outlook with multple pop accounts to the iPhone? This is anothe HUGE area that completely matters what OS you have. For many PC users (most of the world) this is not acceptable. I have 4 pop accounts that i have to monitor in real time all day, every day.

Granted, the apps are cool (one reason i like the iPhone) but that isn't enough for a professional to get one. We would still need another device to monitor the important things in our lives.

What is it specifically that "sucks" about the iPhone that your pro2 is doing?
I got a good laugh at the, "I see you're rocking a TP2". You got me on that one. I am no loyalist to my TP2. Trust me when I say I am disappointed with it and sometimes feel like i am in the dark ages. LoL. Since i am with Verizon my only choices were the TP2 or the Motoral Droid. I strongly considered the droid, but had to go with the TP2 for similar reasons as my answer to the first question. My wife has the droid and the outlook app is not only expensive but hasn't been working well for her. I made the right decision for now. That being said i have not been compelled to run to a mountain top and declare that i have a TP2! Performace is crappy and sluggish and i have always been appalled by the look/functionality of WM. It does what i need it to do though. I can easily tranfer files, run pcanywhere (a must), music is never a hassle, outlook is always synced, i can handle anything work related from my phone. iPhone does not offer this. This is why i say, "iPhone sucks for a pc user." simply because it is true.

Although i beleive that you have a pc, i have a hard time beleiving that it is the only computer you have. I am led to beleive that you have a macbook or something. Reason being, i know many, many people with iPhones - the only ones who love it are mac users. The ones who have pc's are very frustrated with their iPhones. In my neck of the woods anyway.

Like i said, i am not really passionate about it rather opinionated. People have every right to love their iPhones (especially kids - who were the target market), it's a cool device. For professionals that need better integration with their pc's however, it is crap.

[orangekid]

Originally Posted by TheShade001

Well, first off - I didn't mean to start anything that would get nasty and compel anyone to be critical of other users here. I don't share the sentiments of some other posts that were taking the iPhone thing to a more personal area.

I am always open for a good, rational debate with opposing views. I am not loyal to MS, Google, or Apple. So whoever puts out the best device for me (that best unifies the things i care about) is the one i will grab.

To answer your questions:

"What does the OS have anything to do with the iPhone?"
Sheesh. For me it is everything. Although i do not have an iPhone, many in my family do so i have spent much time with it (not claiming to be an expert on all things Apple). For starters, the number one complaint that i hear among PC users with iPhones is how terrible iTunes is. On a regular basis i see family members hitting there computer, waiting hours sometimes to get everything synced - if they are lucky. Sometimes they will wait that long only to find it crashed or something went wrong with it causing them to start over. For PC users, trying to sync music or copy files to your device is a simple, easy and seamless experience on a pc based phone.

How about sycing outlook with multple pop accounts to the iPhone? This is anothe HUGE area that completely matters what OS you have. For many PC users (most of the world) this is not acceptable. I have 4 pop accounts that i have to monitor in real time all day, every day.

Granted, the apps are cool (one reason i like the iPhone) but that isn't enough for a professional to get one. We would still need another device to monitor the important things in our lives.

What is it specifically that "sucks" about the iPhone that your pro2 is doing?
I got a good laugh at the, "I see you're rocking a TP2". You got me on that one. I am no loyalist to my TP2. Trust me when I say I am disappointed with it and sometimes feel like i am in the dark ages. LoL. Since i am with Verizon my only choices were the TP2 or the Motoral Droid. I strongly considered the droid, but had to go with the TP2 for similar reasons as my answer to the first question. My wife has the droid and the outlook app is not only expensive but hasn't been working well for her. I made the right decision for now. That being said i have not been compelled to run to a mountain top and declare that i have a TP2! Performace is crappy and sluggish and i have always been appalled by the look/functionality of WM. It does what i need it to do though. I can easily tranfer files, run pcanywhere (a must), music is never a hassle, outlook is always synced, i can handle anything work related from my phone. iPhone does not offer this. This is why i say, "iPhone sucks for a pc user." simply because it is true.

Although i beleive that you have a pc, i have a hard time believing that it is the only computer you have. I am led to beleive that you have a macbook or something. Reason being, i know many, many people with iPhones - the only ones who love it are mac users. The ones who have pc's are very frustrated with their iPhones. In my neck of the woods anyway.

Like i said, i am not really passionate about it rather opinionated. People have every right to love their iPhones (especially kids - who were the target market), it's a cool device. For professionals that need better integration with their pc's however, it is crap.

the only valid point in the entire post was syncing with multiple accounts on Outlook. since I don't sync computer email with my phone email I am not sure if the iPhone can do that or not. But you are basically saying because the iPhone may not be able to sync on outlook that it is a device made for kids and "sucks."

I don't have a mac or macbook or anything, they cost way too much for what they don't offer. I have my HP laptop that does what i need it to do and sync music with MediaMonkey which works 1000x better than itunes or any other program I can think of for syncing music. It's fast, no problems, no lags, nothing. For everything else I just get into my iPhone filesystem and add/remove pics, videos, etc... when I want to instead of using iTunes (just like you do with WM).

I am not saying the iPhone is the best ever, or even "better" than wm6.5, wm7, or android 2.x. What I AM saying is that it is a legitimate contender as a smartphone OS and does have some perks you cannot get with wm6.x (and probably 7) and android 2.x (although as I already stated Android IS my favorite OS). I personally hate the pro2 because it uses an obsolete oldschool qualcomm processor and it is too bulky + i hate physical keyboards. I am thinking of getting an HD2 because I do like how 6.5 runs on it and I miss cooking ROMs with all of my fovorite mods, tweaks, and keyboards, etc...

some people have this obsessive need to downplay the legitimacy of iPhone OS for the exact same reason that some people obsessively claim iPhone is the best thing since popped corn. It's the same weird obsession on the opposite pole. I get it if it's not for you, but to just bash everything about it and just bedowngrade it (thanks Mike Gundy for that awesome word) as a "kid's toy" is the same as those who say "windows sucks at everything because it's so laggy and always crashes and always freezes and doesn't have any apps and you have to recook/flash for every little mod..."

the iphone can be a good business phone

http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2009224



Having said that and getting back on topic, I do look forward to winpho7 because it is brand new novel and that always interests me, I will fork out some $ for the latest winpho7 with no keyboard with a big screen, a similar specced android, and the iPhone 4G because truth be told I am very excited about all 3. If I had to pick which one would fail the most though my money is on winpho7.


Also, trust me it's just a discussion I don't take ANYTHING on these forums personally or care too much either way, after all we're just talking about phones here...

[puff]

I am always open for a good, rational debate with opposing views. I am not loyal to MS, Google, or Apple. So whoever puts out the best device for me (that best unifies the things i care about) is the one i will grab.

+1

I don't have a mac or macbook or anything, they cost way too much for what they don't offer.

actually, an Intel MacBook can run Windows and do anything your standard Windows box can do

(although i'll give ya they cost too much $$$)