Anyone Else feel WM7 will be a flop?

[BooDaddy]

WinMo 7 will need a solid apps store and apps base to be in the game at this point. The carriers have been marketing the heck out of the "Apps stores" and there is now more apps available for the iPhone than the entire Mac library.. LOL.

A solid apps store would help WinMo 7 win the market back.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by BooDaddy

WinMo 7 will need a solid apps store and apps base to be in the game at this point. The carriers have been marketing the heck out of the "Apps stores" and there is now more apps available for the iPhone than the entire Mac library.. LOL.

A solid apps store would help WinMo 7 win the market back.

app store? google install cab
what people fail to realize app store has what 100,000 apps? wm has millions of apps from obscure apps to apps that change the today screen and allow for full customization. I think microsoft fails to realize this fact. But again you have to realize once wm 7 rolls, the millions of cabs may be rendered useless and there will have to be new apps developed. so we have to wait and see

[Hidavi]

Originally Posted by Noir

app store? google install cab
what people fail to realize app store has what 100,000 apps? wm has millions of apps from obscure apps to apps that change the today screen and allow for full customization. I think microsoft fails to realize this fact. But again you have to realize once wm 7 rolls, the millions of cabs may be rendered useless and there will have to be new apps developed. so we have to wait and see

People not being able to realize that WM is the king of apps is Microsoft's problem. The people will never get any smarter, so they have to make it extremely obvious. That's what Apple truly revolutionized; not apps, but the app distribution. They made it impossible to ignore and easy to find all of them.

WM apps are scattered all over the place and MS leaves the developers to their own resources, however limited, to promote and sell them. Apple offers developers a platform that PROMISES profit and offers users a platform that PROMISES easy availability and understanding of whats available.

Technology is used to allow people to be lazy. As they get used to the ease of use that software and the internet keeps evolving, MS has to make sure it catches up to stay in play in the home market.

[BooDaddy]

Originally Posted by Noir

app store? google install cab
what people fail to realize app store has what 100,000 apps? wm has millions of apps from obscure apps to apps that change the today screen and allow for full customization. I think microsoft fails to realize this fact. But again you have to realize once wm 7 rolls, the millions of cabs may be rendered useless and there will have to be new apps developed. so we have to wait and see

No doubt, I wasnt denying that WinMo has TONS of apps, what I was saying is that there is not single source to download them like the "app stores" google and apple has. This is what is really pushing these phones in the market. The idea that any app is just a simple click away FROM THE DEVICE. With WinMo, you have to first find the app you want (more than likely from your PC), then download it, it its zipped more than likely you have to install using activesync, or if your lucky, it will be cabbed, at which point, you have to transfer it to your phone from the PC, then nav to it and run it.
Theres to many steps involved, and winmo apps are scattered to the 4 winds. In order for MS to make WinMo on par with Android and iPhone, it needs to find a way to organize all those apps, give users a nice easy interface on the device and make it SIMPLE to install right from the device.

It goes back to WinMo's roots of firstly being a PDA OS. It was designed to work with a computer. OVer the years, it has evolved into a quasi mobile phone OS, but still retains those roots of the old PDA stuff (IE activesync, and the whole connecting to a PC thing).

Android and iPhone were designed with todays devices in mind. Wireless devices that were never meant to be connected to a pc.

[orangekid]

I look at it like the difference between vista and windows7, the latter being orders of magnitude better than the former. it should be totally awesome because it will be the first winmo actually made for a touchscreen and not an OS that had to adapt to phones becoming touch screen. Having capacitive screen built into the OS instead of HTC having to work around with their own software will be awesome too, I for one cannot wait for it.

[MrObvious]

Originally Posted by orangekid

I look at it like the difference between vista and windows7, the latter being orders of magnitude better than the former. it should be totally awesome because it will be the first winmo actually made for a touchscreen and not an OS that had to adapt to phones becoming touch screen. Having capacitive screen built into the OS instead of HTC having to work around with their own software will be awesome too, I for one cannot wait for it.

Well said.

[webdev511]

If you look at the constant improvements in WM 6.5.0 thru 6.5.3 (I'm running 28009 on my Omnia) you can see they are moving in the right direction. I almost have to wonder if they aren't using some of the enhancements in these more recent builds of 6.5.x to test potential features in 7.

WM 7 is going to be very Zune like, aka touch friendly. Throw in the likelihood that it will include a Zune Client and it's a WIN for me. Hopefully we can get micro SDXC cards in a 64GB or larger. Must have more storage if this is going to be my phone AND Zune.

[siptang1227]

From looks of 6.5, I don't like it too much but only way to find out is to wait and see but i have this bitter taste in my mouth that it's not going to be fantastic... which ms desperately needs right now.

[imtjnotu]

Originally Posted by webdev511

If you look at the constant improvements in WM 6.5.0 thru 6.5.3 (I'm running 28009 on my Omnia) you can see they are moving in the right direction. I almost have to wonder if they aren't using some of the enhancements in these more recent builds of 6.5.x to test potential features in 7.

WM 7 is going to be very Zune like, aka touch friendly. Throw in the likelihood that it will include a Zune Client and it's a WIN for me. Hopefully we can get micro SDXC cards in a 64GB or larger. Must have more storage if this is going to be my phone AND Zune.

according to a blogger who spoke with MS at an event the 6.5.x will not be anything related to windows 7...and if u still look at 6.5 or any variation of it its nothing that stands out when compared to WebOS or the iphones or Android...its just windows mobile 6.1 with kinetic scrolling and bigger icons for fingers.....WM7 needs to Support wigets and be made for ease of use....we dont need HTC or Samsung to cover up every ugly detail of windows mobile because thats all that is really going on

[johnnycakes2]

What Microsoft should be doing is going to the top ten (i.e. popular) businesses in their field and ensure that they will have a WM7-compatible app ready to go by the time the product launches.

IOW, they should go to the NY Times, WSJ, CNN, USA Today, etc. and make sure they have news apps ready. Go to Citibank, Chase, Bank of America, etc. and make sure they have banking apps ready. I could mention all the other categories, but you get the picture.

Crapple may have 100k apps, but only about 150 of them are truly useful. If MS could concentrate on 200 necessary apps for everyday use, then it's winner-winner, chicken dinner. Letting individual developers come up with the fun stuff is fine. But any business and organizational apps should not be left up to the discretion of whenever the parent company gets around to it. MS should take the initiative and get them onboard ASAP.

My fingers are crossed that we will see formal or leaked imagery of WM7 at CES, and if not, within the following month. It was January 2009 that we first saw WM 6.5.