Bare Naked ROM [4-X-10] WM 6.1 Build 21056 Manila SenseUI 2.1 & 2.5 CAB

[WBFAir]

Hello

So I have a factory stock (at least relating to the OS stuff) Verizon TP2.

I have read through all the threads and apologize if I am asking a stupid question but.

If just want to get Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my device, can I just run either of the two cabs I see in the OEM folder and this will install that an run that without any problems?

The reason I ask is that, one I have so much stuff on my device now it would take me at least a few days to get it all that reinstalled and setup again.

But really too I don't know this stuff all that well so I wouldn't even know really what I might need from any of the other cabs to have my device have all the extra an/or other necessary Verizon stuff I would need to have my device to the same as it is now which is how I would like it as I don't have a clue as to what I need or don't need, at least not fully.

The one thing I have gathered from reading the thread is that once I install either one they are not uninstallable so I guess the best thing to do is to backup my system an my card as only a re-flashing of a stock ROM and then rebuild will get it back to its pre-Sense state, correct?

Just to ask if this is at a problem and it is more recommended that I install the Verizon bare bones version first and then build as I need to, I will do that if that is better.

Also one other question I had, if I have the 2.1 on the device either by just installing it to my present system or a build from the bare bones one, do I just run the 2.5 cab to get 2.5 or do I have to start all over again and install it on a system that doesn't have any Sense on it at all?

As well if I can add the 2.5 that way, can I go back to the 2.1 by just reinstalling the 2.1 cab kinda in the same manor?

Thanks for any help.

[freeza]

Originally Posted by MrMiyagi

Look forward to it, any heads up on what the changelog looks like?

They're mostly all the stuff we've been talking about, nothing too big yet. Will include at least one ringtone to fix the "ringtone-page-won't-go-away" problem. and other minor things. :-p

Originally Posted by bleebdat

Is there a way to activate the proximity sensor with this rom, I keep turning on speaker phone with my cheek.

You need PhoneCanvas installed (OEMCAB folder) to have the proximity sensor work. Unfortunately it does not work with the default windows mobile dialer.

[freeza]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Hello

So I have a factory stock (at least relating to the OS stuff) Verizon TP2.

I have read through all the threads and apologize if I am asking a stupid question but.

If just want to get Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my device, can I just run either of the two cabs I see in the OEM folder and this will install that an run that without any problems?

The reason I ask is that, one I have so much stuff on my device now it would take me at least a few days to get it all that reinstalled and setup again.

But really too I don't know this stuff all that well so I wouldn't even know really what I might need from any of the other cabs to have my device have all the extra an/or other necessary Verizon stuff I would need to have my device to the same as it is now which is how I would like it as I don't have a clue as to what I need or don't need, at least not fully.

The one thing I have gathered from reading the thread is that once I install either one they are not uninstallable so I guess the best thing to do is to backup my system an my card as only a re-flashing of a stock ROM and then rebuild will get it back to its pre-Sense state, correct?

Just to ask if this is at a problem and it is more recommended that I install the Verizon bare bones version first and then build as I need to, I will do that if that is better.

Also one other question I had, if I have the 2.1 on the device either by just installing it to my present system or a build from the bare bones one, do I just run the 2.5 cab to get 2.5 or do I have to start all over again and install it on a system that doesn't have any Sense on it at all?

As well if I can add the 2.5 that way, can I go back to the 2.1 by just reinstalling the 2.1 cab kinda in the same manor?

Thanks for any help.

Let me start off by saying thank you for your interest in the ROM. I hope to be able to address all of your concerns.

You can run either of the 2.1 or 2.5 CABs to install Sense, and it should install without a hitch. Most, if not all the OEM software is available in the OEMCABs folder, and if not, I will most certainly CAB anything that is missing up for you. I should probably do a description of each CAB so that it will make it easier to decide what you would like to install.

Sense CABs are uninstallable not because they can't be uninstalled, but because the CAB uninstaller fails (probably because files are in use) even if you uncheck Sense and soft-reset. That's not to say that you can't get rid of it, however, it is a bit tedious. Basically you'd just have to remove all the Manila files as well as a few others related to your Sense version. Annoying, but not impossible. As for installing them on top of each other, that would probably create more problems than anything else. I hope to make fully uninstallable versions in the near future so that you don't have to manually do it or pick one version to stick with, as the whole point of this ROM is to be able to uninstall and install things at will.

I will definitely work to help resolve any issues or get your phone back exactly how you like/had it if you decide to give this ROM a try.

T-Mobile like customer service via one person on a forum. How awesome is that?! lol

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by freeza

Let me start off by saying thank you for your interest in the ROM. I hope to be able to address all of your concerns.

You can run either of the 2.1 or 2.5 CABs to install Sense, and it should install without a hitch. Most, if not all the OEM software is available in the OEMCABs folder, and if not, I will most certainly CAB anything that is missing up for you. I should probably do a description of each CAB so that it will make it easier to decide what you would like to install.

First off let me say freeza, thanks for the quick, thorough and polite reply, don’t often see that kind of service.

But just to clarify just in case I didn’t make myself clear or maybe I did an you were just kindly giving me more info.

Basically I was asking if I can take my device as is without wiping out anything existing on it or installing anything else you have including the bare ROM and just run either the 2.1 or 2.5 Sence cabs you have in your FTP folder to install 2.1 or 2.5 on my device exactly as it is now.

The only reason I mention that again is that in regards to your above reply, provided this worked with a hitch, I don’t imagine I would need any of the cabs or anything else as I won’t be taking anything off the device by doing it this way, in fact that kinda is the whole point of doing it this way as I won’t need to do anything else and my device will be exactly the same except it will have Sence 2.1 or 2.5 on it, correct? (I know that last thing is a hard question to answer but I trust your best educated opinion).

Originally Posted by freeza

Sense CABs are uninstallable not because they can't be uninstalled, but because the CAB uninstaller fails (probably because files are in use) even if you uncheck Sense and soft-reset. That's not to say that you can't get rid of it, however, it is a bit tedious. Basically you'd just have to remove all the Manila files as well as a few others related to your Sense version. Annoying, but not impossible.

This makes sense, its kinda like when your doing a backup and it has to shut down most of the services. Basically the system is designed not allow any actions, especially a deletion, to something that is currently being used and since this is stuff that is of the core operations, most of the time a great deal of it is being used all the time so a uninstall would be tough.

Originally Posted by freeza

As for installing them on top of each other, that would probably create more problems than anything else. I hope to make fully uninstallable versions in the near future so that you don't have to manually do it or pick one version to stick with, as the whole point of this ROM is to be able to uninstall and install things at will.

That would be great but until then, especially in lue of both of the above conditions that you can’t uninstall and can’t swap upgrades, I guess that best thing to do would be to do a complete backup and then if something needs to be changed or isn’t working, just do a flash with my original ROM and then do a backup restore.

This really isn’t too much of an issue and I would assume is not too time consuming, although I have never done it so I don’t know how well SPB Backup restores a system but all in all I just wanted to discuss what currently you thought was the best method.

Originally Posted by freeza

I will definitely work to help resolve any issues or get your phone back exactly how you like/had it if you decide to give this ROM a try.

T-Mobile like customer service via one person on a forum. How awesome is that?! lol

Yup defiantly get a A++ from me!

[freeza]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

First off let me say freeza, thanks for the quick, thorough and polite reply, don’t often see that kind of service.

But just to clarify just in case I didn’t make myself clear or maybe I did an you were just kindly giving me more info.

Basically I was asking if I can take my device as is without wiping out anything existing on it or installing anything else you have including the bare ROM and just run either the 2.1 or 2.5 Sence cabs you have in your FTP folder to install 2.1 or 2.5 on my device exactly as it is now.

The only reason I mention that again is that in regards to your above reply, provided this worked with a hitch, I don’t imagine I would need any of the cabs or anything else as I won’t be taking anything off the device by doing it this way, in fact that kinda is the whole point of doing it this way as I won’t need to do anything else and my device will be exactly the same except it will have Sence 2.1 or 2.5 on it, correct? (I know that last thing is a hard question to answer but I trust your best educated opinion).

This makes sense, its kinda like when your doing a backup and it has to shut down most of the services. Basically the system is designed not allow any actions, especially a deletion, to something that is currently being used and since this is stuff that is of the core operations, most of the time a great deal of it is being used all the time so a uninstall would be tough.

That would be great but until then, especially in lue of both of the above conditions that you can’t uninstall and can’t swap upgrades, I guess that best thing to do would be to do a complete backup and then if something needs to be changed or isn’t working, just do a flash with my original ROM and then do a backup restore.

This really isn’t too much of an issue and I would assume is not too time consuming, although I have never done it so I don’t know how well SPB Backup restores a system but all in all I just wanted to discuss what currently you thought was the best method.


Yup defiantly get a A++ from me!

Oh! I see. Apologies for totally letting that question go over my head. But, to answer it; someone a few pages back successfully installed Sense 2.1 over a stock ROM. However, location based weather didn't work properly as well as a few other things. With this in mind, if you still want to give it a go, I will be more than happy to see if it is possible to get it working flawlessly on a stock ROM.

As for Sense 2.5, I'm not entirely sure. If you want to do a backup and try, results would be welcome. I have a theory about which services would make Sense 2.1 (not so much 2.5 yet) work with stock ROMs, so if you want to give it a go then i'm up for the challenge.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by freeza

Oh! I see. Apologies for totally letting that question go over my head. But, to answer it; someone a few pages back successfully installed Sense 2.1 over a stock ROM. However, location based weather didn't work properly as well as a few other things. With this in mind, if you still want to give it a go, I will be more than happy to see if it is possible to get it working flawlessly on a stock ROM.

As for Sense 2.5, I'm not entirely sure. If you want to do a backup and try, results would be welcome. I have a theory about which services would make Sense 2.1 (not so much 2.5 yet) work with stock ROMs, so if you want to give it a go then i'm up for the challenge.

First off no problem on not getting everything I wrote on the first shot, I know I've got kind of a problem of over wording everything I write and I know that doesn't make easy to absorb it all an thats my fault.

Yeah I read that post tool and to be honest it was one of the reasons I wrote all I wrote.

Just to say I would be very happy to test things like this but unfortunately I don't have to much time which is kinda why I was asking.

If I have time over the weekend I might try it but I doubt I will.

If not perhaps next weekend.

I will keep myself subscribed to this post though no matter what and thanks again for all the quick and professional responding.

[bleebdat]

Is your new sprint cab going to still be up tonight, I have to get on a plane in the morning I'd love to have a new cab to tinker with.

[cmai]

Originally Posted by freeza

Oh! I see. Apologies for totally letting that question go over my head. But, to answer it; someone a few pages back successfully installed Sense 2.1 over a stock ROM. However, location based weather didn't work properly as well as a few other things. With this in mind, if you still want to give it a go, I will be more than happy to see if it is possible to get it working flawlessly on a stock ROM.

As for Sense 2.5, I'm not entirely sure. If you want to do a backup and try, results would be welcome. I have a theory about which services would make Sense 2.1 (not so much 2.5 yet) work with stock ROMs, so if you want to give it a go then i'm up for the challenge.

If you think you have the fix for the 2.1 location issue, I am willing to test it for you.

[freeza]

Originally Posted by bleebdat

Is your new sprint cab going to still be up tonight, I have to get on a plane in the morning I'd love to have a new cab to tinker with.

In a few hours the ROM will be updated beta 4b :-p

Originally Posted by cmai

If you think you have the fix for the 2.1 location issue, I am willing to test it for you.

Okay, currently not at home. I'll post back later on tonight.

[freeza]

Uploading beta 4b now.

Update 1/23/10:
-Made menus smaller and able to hold more items. Thanks MrMiyagi
-Removed first boot global message.
-Removed leo full screen player, which caused htcalbum bugs.
-Updated touch.dll which made it possible for swipe gestures to work. (email/sms)
-Removed JetCet software.
-Added TouchFlo to OEMCAB (responsible for swipe gestures)
-Added older version of Full Screen Player to OEMCAB.
-Added JetCet Print/Presentation to OEMCAB.
-Updated HTC Album CAB.
-Updated Enlarge Start Menu CAB.