The current versions of Colonel's ROMS on the 6800 need that extra step to get out of the bootloader. His are currently the only custom ROMs for the 6800.

Thats all I needed was that confirmation then, thank you Stroths. The whole project is underground and quiet atm, so getting any info at any specific time can be daunting. Nonetheless, I am quite happy with colonels efforts thus far :D

Is this correct?

Or is this correct?

I'm a bit confused now LOL. The way I understand it from ImCoKeMaN is that the bootloader has a feature that prevents it from being overwritten, and from what Olipro is saying, if I'm not mistaken, you just put the phone in bootloader mode and then load a stock ROM and it's done.

Could you guys please clarify this? I'm keeping the patched bootloader either way. I just thought it would be a good idea to post instructions to go back to the stock SPL for other users that may want to know how, or for the users that would like to patch their SPL and try custom ROMs, but are afraid to do so because they think it can not be undone. Perhaps someone could edit the original post with instructions to go back to the stock SPL if it can in fact be done.

Just a suggestion :)

Thanks guys! I appreciate all the work you guys are doing to make the Titan a better phone. Keep it up!

Both of those statements were true. The soft SPL is the 1.10 version you see when starting the install of the Hard-SPL. That version is loaded in ram from the OS, the hard-SPL is 1.20 and that is actually in the rom of the device. If you run the soft SSPL (in ram, 1.10) you can flash an nbh with only the SPL.nb in it and it will overwrite the hard SPL on the device (not itself). I don't want to promote the regular use of the soft-SPL though as i encountered errors (thought it was truly bricked for a while) when trying to flash a full nbh (including rom and radio etc) . The method in which it is loaded into RAM seems to affect it's access to the radio so use caution. Rule of thumb: If the nbh is ~257k you should be safe with SSPL, any larger make sure you use the Hard-SPL.

Awesome. I understand much better now. Thank you for the explaination ImCoKeMaN. I appreciate it.

So Coke, does this mean that having used the unlocker, if I went back to HTC stock rom, it would lock me back up, and I'd have to unlock again if I wanted to use another rom other than HTC?

No, it will be fine, that is the feature i was explaining that prevents it from overwriting the hard-SPL

Thank you!! You :headbang:

OK I get the error "the application failed to initialize properly". wtf??? This was on my laptop...when I tried on my desktop the unlocker froze....any help guys?? Thanks!!

eh, screw it. I'm going to jump in the water and fiddle around with the different ROMs.

I really want to go back to WM5 though... nobody in this thread has said anything about that one so we'll see how it goes. ImCoKeMaN has apparently done it so I'll try as well.

EDIT: Well, it freaked me out there for a second. The bootloader launched but the ROM update said there and sat there was a communications error... I figured I'd let it sit for a few seconds and voila! I now have Alltel WM6 on my phone, OS only. Much thanks! ;)

I'm still too scared to try. Are you experiencing better ram usage? what do you hover at most of the day? i'm at 17mb

No, I dumped the WM6 ROMs altogether and went back to WM5 Alltel.

Both Sprint and Alltel have the leak which just isn't good enough for me. Its immediately apparent... you don't even need to use it for long for it to start happening... I opened up about 10 apps with 26MB free, closed them all, was left with 19 or 20, and then ran Oxios, which got me back to 22 or so.

So I downgraded... and now I have 28MB free and the lowest it drops after closing all my apps with task manager is 25, which goes right back to 27.4 when I run Oxios.

Its a non-issue for me anyway. So many apps don't work right with WM6 and I'd rather have a stable device that doesn't have all kinds of issues with my programs, RAM usage, etc., than be at the top of the bleeding edge.

I just wish someone could have dumped the WM5 Sprint ROM on one of the 6800s that went out with WM5, since I'd rather use that.

I don't think these are "Leaks" leaks usually leak forever and this doesn't (in my experience it gets low and stops growing and doesn't shrink [much]).

There is a whole bunch of caches that grow and don't give back until you soft reboot (some tools re-shrink some caches). I think the tools don't know about or how to shrink all the WM6 caches.

Many of these cache sizes you can limit.

You also start with less memory on WM6 to start with (maybe because of some initial size caches).

I'm not convinced there is a "Leak" to fix.

The real problem is 64M is too damn small for WM6 or WM5 for that matter. HTC should not build another stupid 64M RAM device and should not have built this one with 64M.

Agree 100%. For some reason, some folks are locked into thinking that all because memory gets consumed and you aren't running an active program, then it's being leaked. I've been running my Mogul for days without a soft reset.... it's drifted down to about 10Meg free, but stays there. I'm going to keep going without a soft reset just to prove that WM6 will give back some memory from its caches when needed.

I think you mean 64M not 64K. It could be larger, but it would also affect battery life then. Besides it's much more than Bill thinks it needs to be: "640K should be enough for anybody"

Oops, sorry wrong decade.

@ImCoKeMaN

what if the device had overwritten??, it makes bricked?
can we fix the device? how?

wm6's cache on the mogul doesnt' work. It's fine if cache gets out of the way for programs to run, but I repeatedly get out of memory errors with one or two apps open if I've been running the phone for a while...

-mark

Had what overwritten? Do you have a problem with a device? If so what does it show on the screen? I am not sure what you are asking, but I have done a lot of testing with this hard-SPL and it hasn't bricked anything for me.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334873

and i'm sorry i can't go in chatt link..........

ImCoKeMaN, please help........

How in the world did you manage to flash the Apache radio onto the Mogul?

Good luck man... In my experience, once the radio is fucked up once, its fucked up for good (ie, you may get it working again but it will have problems until you replace the device).

simple, hard reset, flash stock rom, hard reset, then you should be good. Try flashing the alltel stock rom. I flashed my radio rom with the os rom on accident before and that fixed it.

Actually, just ran into that problem again for some reason while flashing colonel's oct 10 rom. flashing the alltel stock rom by itself didn't work, kept getting R NONE, so I flashed it, and instead of typing boot in mtty as i usually do to test if the rom is working, i set 16 0 instead...

Well it would be easier to diagnose via Chat, but i think first step you should do it run the file here:
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...tan_exitbl.rar

after that if it still doesn't boot flash a FULL stock rom (from it's exe) and try again.

Caused my curiosity, I flashed my Radio ROM with "Phoenx06_Radio_1.41_all_carriers" apache radio ROM. And now my mogul stuck on splash screen with "no radio" in the bottom. Can't boot OS.

i've tried reflash with official SPCS ROM RUU_TITAN_SPRINT_WWE_2.09.651.3_1.32.00_SPCS_NV124 _new_Ship, hundreds times, It's always said succsessfull, but still stuck with no radio.

then i used titanunlocker (thanks Olipro..) http://forum.xda-developers.com/atta...2&d=1190835601 , i put in Bootloader mode, SPL-1.04.0000, but won't flash. Ican't connect to ActiveSync and run haret.exe because i can't boot OS.
Olipro said : "the NBH won't flash because it's not signed with HTCs key so the SPL will reject it".

When i put MTTY:

Cmd>info 0

Cmd>info 1

Cmd>info 2
HTCSSPCS_001æž7HTCE
Cmd>info 3
HTCSA¹WáÃ…8Â¥}ÂÂ�Ãâ€*OÇBà ¥%ßoô
Cmd>info 4
HTCSSPCS_001æž7HTCE
Cmd>info 5

Cmd>info 6
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCE
Cmd>info 7

HTC Integrated Re-Flash Utility, Common Base Version : 1.51d
Device Name: Titan, Bootloader Version : 1.04.0000
Built at: Apr 27 2007 22:16:48
Copyright (c) 1998-2006 High Tech Computer Corporation

CPU ID=0x4107B364
Main Board ID=0x3, CPLD ID=0x9


Cmd>info 8

--- 2K bytes sector version ---

DEVICE NAME=samsung_k9k2g08
DEVICE ID=0xAA
DEVICE MAKER ID=0xEC
PAGE SIZE=0x800
TOTAL PAGE SIZE=0x840
BLOCK COUNT=0x800
BLOCK PAGE=0x40

Checking block information

BLOCK 0 (0x0) is reversed block
BLOCK 1 (0x1) is reversed block
BLOCK 2 (0x2) is reversed block
BLOCK 3 (0x3) is reversed block
BLOCK 4 (0x4) is reversed block
BLOCK 5 (0x5) is reversed block
BLOCK 6 (0x6) is reversed block
BLOCK 7 (0x7) is reversed block
BLOCK 8 (0x8) is reversed block
BLOCK 9 (0x9) is reversed block
BLOCK 10 (0xA) is reversed block
BLOCK 11 (0xB) is reversed block
BLOCK 12 (0xC) is reversed block
BLOCK 13 (0xD) is reversed block
BLOCK 14 (0xE) is reversed block
BLOCK 15 (0xF) is reversed block
Partition[0], type=0x20, start=0x2, total=0x63E
Partition[1], type=0x23, start=0x640, total=0x640
Partition[2], type=0x25, start=0xC80, total=0x65C0
Partition[3], type=0x4, start=0x7240, total=0x147C0

CE Total Length(with sector info) = 0x3959200
CE CheckSum Length(without sector info) = 0x3920000

this mean have'nt "device ID" and "bootloader" ??? (info 0 and info 1)

then,

Cmd>checkimage
SPL CRC checksum = 0x671B7AE0

CE CRC checksum = 0x21756FFB

ExtROM CRC checksum = 0x44176D47


no radio checksum, no radio ROM???
it's true if the problem caused no bootloader on my titan???
can we fix bootloader??? or replace it???
pdocwrite???





i've did that good stuff, even "set 16 0", the problem still there.

my titan isn't stuck in bootloader, but in primary splash screen, sprint's logo screen.

i've did reflash stock ROM from it's exe, so many many times. still not work.

Yes, for most users klurf that would be the case... but most often anything that can be done, can be undone somehow. If anybody can 'undone' something, its the crew here @ PPCGeeks. Give em a chance first :)

ya...ya... ya.....
i did a mistake, like some other curios peoples.......

check PM, if it doesn't work find a way to get to the chat.

question about the unlocker, when i try to run the exe i get this error:

"The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the application"

does anybody know why i get this error, thanx

you must install the .NET framework from microsoft....and it runs on your PC not you phone.

then get your ROM updater, like the Alltel one....

extract the installer (I used winRAR, right clicked extract to...)

Place the unlocker in the same directory that you extracted to


(make sure that there is NOTHING you need to save in the folder..) <----IMPORTANT

double click the UNLOCKER, let it run its course

now, once its finished, take note that all of the files that were in the folder are gone, and smile because you paid attention to the IMPORTANT note....

thanks man, here's another crazy question: my pc doesn't like me and it won't install the .net framework. any idea why?

edit --> so i got framework to install finally, and i ran the unlocker, follwed all instructions, got stuck in bootloader screen, used the other tool to get out of it, and now im back at my regular today screen. how can i check that the phone was unlocked so that i know i did everything rite?

edit #2 --> ok i just figured out what im doing, now im just messin around testin the custom roms that have been put up, thanx for your help guys

Which rom are you using because I can't get the Titan_2.14_OS.nbh to work

Just wondering.... I unlocked my Mogul, and have been playing around with the different ROM's. I decided to try the new Sprint ROM and noticed even after updating to it that my Mogul is still unlocked. I guess I missed it if this was covered but I thought once you went back to a Sprint/HTC ROM you had to unlock it again. Is that not the case?

awesome work guys!!! super clear instructions, all the tools needed, links and instructions. I was a little hesitant to try this, but it worked flawlessly, and now I'm unlocked!

I've read everything here, i think, and have one question.

When running the unlock process, does a new ROM need to be flashed immediately, or can you unlock things in preparation for a custom to be flashed later?

Why would you unlock the phone's bootloader if you're not going to load a custom ROM? Just unlock it right before you flash a custom ROM. I don't see any point in patching it if you're not going to flash a custom ROM on your phone at the time.

In case the OS randomly dies one day... or an official update inexplicably shits itself

or an official update inexplicably shits itself

d'ya think that could happen???

LOL. I didn't think about that. Good point :)