Titan Kitchen CE OS 5.2.19209 (Build 19209.1.0.2) aka 5060

[x10guy]

Please do everyone a favor and Make your own kitchen exactly they way you like.....
(if you keep on ignoring that... then you just have no argument to stand on)... JUST DO YOUR OWN KITCHEN.

otherwise "No Soup for You!"

And YES you are selfish.

Oh and did I mention, "DO YOUR OWN KITCHEN"

[Jeff Kirvin]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Please do everyone a favor and Make your own kitchen exactly they way you like.....
(if you keep on ignoring that... then you just have no argument to stand on)... JUST DO YOUR OWN KITCHEN.

otherwise "No Soup for You!"

And YES you are selfish.

Oh and did I mention, "DO YOUR OWN KITCHEN"

Actually, I did, back in my Apache days. If the relevant threads haven't already been cleansed by our diligent overlor-- er, mods, read up on what happened to me when I posted the Kirvin Clean and Simple Kitchen back in the day.

And if you don't want me using this kitchen, stop me.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

Actually, I did, back in my Apache days. If the relevant threads haven't already been cleansed by our diligent overlor-- er, mods, read up on what happened to me when I posted the Kirvin Clean and Simple Kitchen back in the day.

And if you don't want me using this kitchen, stop me.

Then great! PLEASE do one for the Mogul and be done with all the nonsense of arguing with everyone else in this thread.

OK, let me rephrase it... DO YOUR OWN MOGUL KITCHEN.

(I never said you can't use the current kitchen. I didn't create it so that's a totally irrelevant comment)

[Nickles]

play nice, or flame yourselves through PM's, not the board.

BTW - can any current users of 5060 confirm beaming activity !??!

[x10guy]

I just updated to the New Kitchen...(the 5060 update)
My first try I got the dreaded mysterious G'Reloc error...
Has anyone figured out what causes this?

It worked fine in the previous kitchen.

[NexVision]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

Ungrateful and selfish? I don't give a flying rat's @$$, personally. I'll use whatever tools are available, meaning I'll use the kitchen if I find it the best tool for the job, but I was just as happy using DCD's kitchen from xda-devs.

I mention my IT experience only so people realize my opinion is informed by years of software development, testing and support. I know what I'm talking about. If that doesn't impress you, I don't really care. I'm not trying to impress.

I've been trying to help. But it's become clear that the geeks don't appreciate me standing up for the n00bs. I thought by pointing out the arrogance and poor customer service of the ROM team that I might be able to get them to improve, but they have too many sycophants here willing to shoot the messenger. If you really want arrogance and hypocrisy, who am I to stand in your way? I'll go back to lurking, using the kitchen and donating exactly what I think the customer service I'm getting is worth...

Dude you pointed out your experience for one reason to try and back your acidnine attitude the fact is no'one cares what you have to say. All you are doing is clogging down a thread making it impossible for people who actually need help to get there posts across. Do u really need to clutter yet another thread with your useless bow to me attitude.

Oh yeah and all 17 years of IT experience means is you started before anyone knew how stupid you are which im sure if the people who think your knowledgeable read your posts and saw how ridiculous they are they will see your just like every other 40$ a hr IT they dump for the 120$ 18yr old IT that can do circles around you. So unless u plan on contributing here or hell I dunno even changing your post rather then copying and pasting your previous post STFU and go stick it somewhere cause as I said no'one cares.

[Jeff Kirvin]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Then great! PLEASE do one for the Mogul and be done with all the nonsense of arguing with everyone else in this thread.

OK, let me rephrase it... DO YOUR OWN MOGUL KITCHEN.

Oh, no, I'm not falling into that trap. Not again! Anything I do will be attacked. I could release my own variant of DCD's kitchen, fine-tuned to run like greased lightning, but I'd be accused of "stealing" DCD's work. No one would see the irony that everyone is stealing Bepe's work, who actually wrote BuildOS and the first kitchens for anything. All I'd be doing is repackaging, making things easier, preselecting an efficient setup. But then, that's all anybody does. If you think about it, we're all just ripping off the programmers at Microsoft and HTC. GG and No2Chem are just making it a little better, a little more accessible. They're not writing Windows Mobile.

The current kitchen team is doing an adequate job (it'd be nice if they'd at least test their official releases for typos before rolling them out), but let's not pretend they're doing anything groundbreaking. They're tweaking, fine-tuning and repackaging the work of others. Nothing more. And they deserve no more respect than they give.

[Jeff Kirvin]

I'm not going to dignify NexVision's comments with a reply, but I do suggest he take a basic writing class. Parsing his posts gives me a headache...

[NexVision]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

I'm not going to dignify NexVision's comments with a reply, but I do suggest he take a basic writing class. Parsing his posts gives me a headache...

OH no talk about my grammar like I give a **** on a message board...................

I think im gonna cry anyone have a tissue??????????????????????????

[gguruusa]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

So then the answer is 160MB. Thank you, that really wasn't so hard, was it?

No, it's not. It's something less than that. You'll get an error when you get to big. The actual max is calculated and

For the record, I'm here because I love the Mogul, it's the best mobile computer I've ever had. Contrary to popular belief, I like the kitchen project. I have some issues with it, but I have some issues with Word 2007, too, and I love that program. No software is perfect. I'm not at all opposed to what the ROM team produces.

What I am opposed to is the ROM team's holier-than-thou, superior, arrogant attitude.

Let me explain where I'm coming from. I've spent 18 years in IT, doing just about every job in the field. I've been a developer. I've also been tech support, and prefer that to development. I like to help people. And looking at this from a support perspective, members of the ROM team seem actively hostile to users who don't meet their geek cred standards. They are programmers making a program for programmers, not for regular people, and they come across as thinking they're too good to explain how the kitchen works, why certain features are not negotiable or really anything at all about the project.

Basically, the ROM team acts like the "Soup Nazi" on Seinfeld. Take what they give you the way they give it to you, ask no questions, just bow and grovel at their feet and be grateful you get anything at all. Sorry, but that's a horrible attitude for a developer to have, even one making freeware. I understand the donations they freely accept (thus making this a commercial product, with reasonable expectations of professional support) probably only cover hosting costs and maybe a beer once in a while. But I think we'd all be better off if they dropped the attitude and treated everyone with dignity and respect. Saying "if you don't like the login requirement, feel free to leave it blank" knowing full well that means that the kitchen won't work at all, is arrogant and petty. This "leave it us, you couldn't possibly know what you're doing" attitude goes from annoying to comical when they "officially" release the 5060 kitchen with typos and bugs after browbeating everyone for a week who dared to use the "unsupported" basekit.

I appreciate the kitchen. I use it. I hope it will support the US version of the Touch Dual soon after that device is released. But the kitchen team are not gods, and I will not treat them as such. They're developers, regular people. They're no better than the rest of us, and it ticks me off to see them treat people so badly and expect unquestioning devotion in return.

There's a big difference between donations and commercial. If you're having trouble distinguishing the two, I'm sure arrangements can be made.

The 5060 comment was leave it alone IF you don't know what you're doing. Still seems like a fair comment to me. In the case of the OP, the statement was directed at an individual who DIDN'T know what they were doing.

You're a little confused about who owes who what. As I've said before, you don't have a right to jack. No one asked for devotion, and no one cares if anyone uses this software. You have received attitude on exactly one (1) point, because it has been stated time and time again it will not be done, yet you insist on bringing it up time and time again. The decision will not be explained any further than it has. Don't confuse our willingness to answer questions as an obligation to.

The login requirement quip was in response to conspiracy thoughts about password theft. As was said before, if you you're concerned about it, don't use it. Similarly, feel free to not use it if you can't be bothered with the login screen.

As to the 5060 kitchen release, no one brow beat anyone. All I said was the basekit has issues and keep the questions out of this thread and in no2chems. You have unreasonable expectations if you expect there to be no errors in any release. Are you sure you ever worked/used/touched anything computer related?

We aren't god's, but this project lives, breathes, and dies by our interest. As such, most people recognize that a polite and grateful attitude is appropriate. Unless you want the project to end, of course.