Mogul or Touch??

[gxnext]

[QUOTE=leetsauce;142258]
The screen is very bright, but suffers from a bad viewing angle. You have to hold the phone almost directly perpendicular to your face in order to get the best colors; the Mogul was fine even if you were looking at it flat on the table.
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That's right i forgot to mention the Touch's screen. I don't know how some people managed to argue that the touch's screen is better than the moguls but that's not true at all... just as leetsauce said above, you basically have to hold the touch directly in front of your face to get the best view, on the other had the mogul can be viewed clearly from any angle.

again...both phones are good... but for two diffrent types of users... do your research befor you buy.

[leetsauce]

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

It's not a trade off if you don't need the feature. So it's not just reserved for those "willing to trade off features." It's not crippled in terms of being an effective PDA.

It is a trade off for those who, like I said, can't live without the features. If you are happy and comfortable with the reduced productivity caused by the lack of a physical keyboard, more power to you. Typing with the on-screen keyboard took many times longer than it would have with the Mogul's hard keyboard; if this isn't crippling, it certainly is a quagmire to getting my work done on the phone efficiently.

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

TouchFLO sits overtop of the same WM6 OS. It's a slightly different UI. Maybe a UI that you were uncomfortable with. If that's the case, that doesn't make it crippled. I was able to use the 6700 as a PDA and from playing with the Touch I'll be able to use this as a PDA as well.

TouchFLO is definitely the worst concoction of a kinetic scrolling interface ever. I know what it is, I know what it's used for, and I'm just saying it sucks at it. SPB's Smart Scrolling is much better at getting the same job done. I never said TouchFLO cripples the Touch, I merely said it sucks.

There is no real difference between the two UIs. They are both Windows Mobile 6. Much of the perceived differences are from the HTC bundled applications.

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

Hopefully this wasn't one of the reasons you think the Mogul is more of a phone.

No, but it certainly reflects the target market that HTC had in mind when designing the two phones.

[8675309]

I have been a long time user of this form, and have owned the 6600 (Tried 3 Different ROMS), 6700 (Tried dozens of ROMS), 6800 (Tried dozens of ROMS, and even made my own), and now the Touch (Still on first ROM). As I have owned 2 or 3 of each I am confident that my experience has been with the product type, not a faulty device. I like the Touch the best! Here are my findings, and I have rated each in level of importance on a scale of 1 to 5.

Cons:
(3) Keyboard - Yes, I do miss the keyboard. I have been practicing with the new Touch keyboard, and I have gotten used to it far faster that I expected I would. I only send about 1000 texts a month, and write maybe a few hundred emails, but I can defiantly live with out it.

(2) Buttons - Now this is a frustration for me! I wish the darn thing had more than one button! I like to use the hard buttons for shortcuts, and only having one is a little bit of a pain.

(1) Flash - Now I am not a cellphone camera user. I think if I am planning to take a picture I will just get a real camera. However the flash on the 6800 and the 6700 for that mater made for a great flash light that I do miss form time to time.

(1) Touch Keyboard - Though I like the Touch Keyboard, I also like using Calligrapher. Unfortunately the Touch Word Completion can not be shut off, and interferes with Calligrapher.

(1) Clarity - While the screen is brighter, it has a fade effect when you look at the device form a an angle.

(1) The SD Card - The card is hidden beneath the side panel of the device which means you have to take of the back, and then undo the side to get at it. What a pain in the but. Someone mentioned that it kept it safer, but I have never had an issue with the MicroSD cards coming out.

(0) I have seen several mentions about IR ports and 802.11. Seriously who uses 802.11 on a phone. I tried once and my phone went dead in 15 min. Also as someone pointed out if you are with in range of WiFi just get out your laptop. And as far as the IR port, I used it once about 3 years ago to play a battle ship game I had, never used it afterwards.

Pros:
(5) IT JUST WORKS!!!!! - Out of the box with no hacked ROMS and almost no customization the beautiful thing just works!!! Windows has yet to lock up on me. The system has yet to reboot, or freeze!! Windows just seems to work better with the extra memory, and maybe a cleaner ROM. If you just look at the programs in the start up folder there are considerably fewer.

(5) Bluetooth - Yes, bluetooth that actual can be used!! I know it is shocking, but imagine a $300+ phone where they, I don't know remembered that the original use of the device was for making and receiving calls!! I have the JX10 headset (Purchased for $150), and I have had it sitting on my desk for the last year because I couldn't use the darn thing. It was fantastic to dust it off and use it once again.

(5) The Phone - Yes, I know what a novel Idea, but the phone is much better with fewer dropped calls, and better reception.

(4) Memory - Who ever says that the memory is not an issue on the 6800 is smoking something!! I had memory issues all the time to the point I simply stopped installing software. Now I have the majority of my software installed, and I can still use the phone just fine.

(3) Slimmer - I find myself not noticing the device as much. It is smaller and more comfortable to carry.

(1) The Cube - Its nice, but not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I find it fun, but not as useful as I had hoped.

I think the battery life is almost the same, and everything else is close enough that is may be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. But that is my 2 pennis worth.

Just FYI these are the software programs I am running on the Touch, that I couldn't have hoped to run for very long on the 6800:

LobsterTunes, Pocket Mechanic, Sprite Backup HiCalc, MindMap, Age of Empires, Pocket Artist, Pocket Player, Brain Zapper, Resco Radio, Resco Explorer, SKTools, Tweaks2k2, Shazaa, Live Search, Pocket RAR, SprintTV, PhonePad Vibrate, VoiceMinder, Pocket Informant, SPB Insight, SPB Diary, Calligrapher, WkTask, iCube, HTC Audio Manager, HTC Home Customizer.

I am also planning on installing a few more programs and I will post how that goes as well. If I had installed all of these on the 6800 it would have crashed by now.

My advice get the Touch! You will miss the keyboard, but you will love the stability.

If you want to post your thoughts or vote in the running poll check out http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=14015

[Mafamaticks]

Originally Posted by leetsauce

It is a trade off for those who, like I said, can't live without the features.

You didn't say that in your post, btw.

Originally Posted by leetsauce

If you are happy and comfortable with the reduced productivity caused by the lack of a physical keyboard, more power to you. Typing with the on-screen keyboard took many times longer than it would have with the Mogul's hard keyboard; if this isn't crippling, it certainly is a quagmire to getting my work done on the phone efficiently.

Well yeah. It's a quagmire to get your work done. It reduces your productivity. Not necessarily a quagmire for everyone to get their work done. It doesn't reduce everyone's productivity.

Originally Posted by leetsauce

TouchFLO is definitely the worst concoction of a kinetic scrolling interface ever. I know what it is, I know what it's used for, and I'm just saying it sucks at it. SPB's Smart Scrolling is much better at getting the same job done. I never said TouchFLO cripples the Touch, I merely said it sucks.

I know you never said TouchFLO cripples the Touch. I didn't say you said it. However you did say that it was crippled as a PDA. Which isn't etched in stone 'cause it's your preference.

Originally Posted by leetsauce

There is no real difference between the two UIs. They are both Windows Mobile 6. Much of the perceived differences are from the HTC bundled applications.

Exactly. Which is why I said slightly different. The phone is trying to move you away from the stylus. Which makes it slightly different.

Originally Posted by leetsauce

No, but it certainly reflects the target market that HTC had in mind when designing the two phones.

Well yeah.

At the end of the day it depends on preference. Just cause a phone doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it doesn't function. You did say you can understand how some people can live without certain things this phone doesn't have, but then say it's crippled. You think it's crippled. Fine. But know it's crippled based on your qualifications on what a PDA should be. So this sentence:

Originally Posted by leetsauce

It is settled there. If you want a PDA, get the Mogul. If you want a smartphone with a touch screen, get the Touch.

Should probably read more like:

If you want a PDA get the Mogul. If you want a PDA that's geared towards the touch screen, get the Touch. 'Cause a Touch isn't a smartphone.

[wickedklown]

Originally Posted by leetsauce

willing to trade off features that some of us can't live without.

Ah...like a working Bluetooth??

Ive had the Mogul for 4 months and the Touch for about a month now. Mogul's going byebye
-The screen sensitivity can be adjusted in the registry, so no issue there.
-I prefer the mogul's screen (viewing angles)
-The additional RAM is GREAT! Hibernate?? whats that?
-Touch texting SUX IMO and its not the KB as much as not seeing the threaded sms. Definately a one-up for the Mogul in that category.
-Touch stability/speed is great. 2-up on Mogul there.
-BLUETOOTH works flawlessly!

With that said i dont think the KB is a "Crippling" non-features but rather preference. I prefer it but some "freaks" like the soft KB

hmm isnt a mogul owner calling "cripple" kinda like "calling the kettle black"???

[Mafamaticks]

Originally Posted by wickedklown

Ah...like a working Bluetooth??


hmm isnt a mogul owner calling "cripple" kinda like "calling the kettle black"???

*snickers*

[internetaffairs]

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

*snickers*

U MADD DOGGIE??

[leetsauce]

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

You didn't say that in your post, btw.

Uh, yes I did. It reads: "willing to trade off features that some of us can't live without." That is exactly what I said.

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

Well yeah. It's a quagmire to get your work done. It reduces your productivity. Not necessarily a quagmire for everyone to get their work done. It doesn't reduce everyone's productivity.

Again, this whole debate is purely subjective. Some people can use the on-screen keyboards fine, some will rather die. I am of the latter.

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

I know you never said TouchFLO cripples the Touch. I didn't say you said it. However you did say that it was crippled as a PDA. Which isn't etched in stone 'cause it's your preference.

The Touch is crippled as a PDA not because of TouchFLO, but because of the lack of a keyboard. It is my opinion, and I will stick to it. The Touch is a crippled PDA.

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

Exactly. Which is why I said slightly different. The phone is trying to move you away from the stylus. Which makes it slightly different.

Yes I acknowledge that, I'm just saying it does a horrible job at it.

Originally Posted by Mafamaticks

At the end of the day it depends on preference. Just cause a phone doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it doesn't function. You did say you can understand how some people can live without certain things this phone doesn't have, but then say it's crippled. You think it's crippled. Fine. But know it's crippled based on your qualifications on what a PDA should be.

Well isn't your judgment on the Mogul and Touch based on YOUR qualifications of a PDA?

There is no real point in arguing this. Maybe you're mad because I called the Touch a smartphone, whatever. It is definitely geared towards a different market audience, obviously one that doesn't need the keyboard or wifi. If you're of that audience, good for you. You are entitled to your own opinions about each phone as well, no need to bash others for what they believe. The Touch is still a crippled PDA to me.

By the way, Bluetooth works fine for me.

[internetaffairs]

internetaffairs is right.

[gxnext]

Originally Posted by internetaffairs

internetaffairs is right.

LMAO!

anyway.... can't wait for sprint to get a wm phone that does it all... flawlessly so ppl wouldn't feel like its a trade off... but personally im waiting until wm7 before I pay for another upgrade no matter how great the hardware is that comes out with wm6 (or 6.1) .... I'm also looking forward to wm8