battery life increaser ***Huge***

[blue4shizzle]

Originally Posted by Palladium

There may be some truth to this, I have noticed (and actually posted in another thread) that if the phone is allowed to go to sleep while charging, when the battery reaches 100% and quits charging, the battery will begin to discharge, and when removed from the charger the battery level (accurate or not) drops to 80-90%. If you plug the charger back in and let it charge to full and take it off, it stays at 98-100% (yes, I'm using the nuepower batery driver) and lasts much longer that if you did not "top off" the battery. If you leave the phone hooked to the USB port to charge, Activesync will keep the phone from sleeping and it will continue to charge/top off the battery.

my thing is, the ONLY reason why it takes so long to charge while connected to the usb, is because the screen is on.. and what is the biggest thing that causes our battery to drain?? <ding ding> the lcd screen.. so obviously the reason it takes longer to charge is simply because you have that lcd screen on during the process. there is no such thing as proper way to "top off" a batter, or technique of charging it. i dont think some of us are looking at this from a very logical/scientific standpoint. of course we all would like to improve our battery life.. but thinking of wild ways to charge it wont really change a thing. face it, we have a 1350 mah battery.. that is its limit. you wont be able to get a magical extra boost from it just from the way you charge it. it will depend on usage, settings, and what rom you are using. but the idea of charging it from a usb instead of a wall charger is definately not going to make a difference.

[jpeepers]

Here is a little info on the batteries which I have to agree with. I think a big part of the problem is the "fuel gauge" is not reading correctly. I have had my battery reading 20% then did a soft reset and had it read 60%?

A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often or use a larger battery. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.

Although lithium-ion is memory-free in terms of performance deterioration, batteries with fuel gauges exhibit what engineers refer to as "digital memory". Here is the reason: Short discharges with subsequent recharges do not provide the periodic calibration needed to synchronize the fuel gauge with the battery's state-of-charge. A deliberate full discharge and recharge every 30 charges corrects this problem. Letting the battery run down to the cut-off point in the equipment will do this. If ignored, the fuel gauge will become increasingly less accurate.

[blue4shizzle]

Originally Posted by TurboFool

I can't agree it's pointless when the manufacturers of the devices all recommend doing it. Emptying it fully every month or so, like used to be recommended, is definitely completely pointless. But when companies like HTC, the manufacturers of the third-party batteries, and manufacturers of other devices all say you won't reach your full battery life until you've drained it and fully charged it a couple of times, I kind of have to believe them. They have slightly more knowledge than I do.

honestly.. if you took a AA energizer battery.. and you used the thing all the way till it was dead.. then you charged it back up to 100 percent- do you honestly think its going to perform any "better" than it did the first time? batteries have limits.. even though that was a harsh example, im just saying. from my experience.. ive done every trick in the book, from different batteries, to charging it while it was turned completely off, to even trying different branded chargers.. there was no change in performance whatsoever. my point is that we have to understand that what you see is what you get.

[kyle4269]

When I first got the phone from verizon, my battery life was about 8 hours on normal use. So what I did was let the battery go completely dead, where the phone wouldnt even turn on. I then charged it over night and now after 8 hours, i've had anywhere from 30-50% battery life left over. That seemed to work for me..

[blue4shizzle]

Originally Posted by kyle4269

When I first got the phone from verizon, my battery life was about 8 hours on normal use. So what I did was let the battery go completely dead, where the phone wouldnt even turn on. I then charged it over night and now after 8 hours, i've had anywhere from 30-50% battery life left over. That seemed to work for me..

was you running tf3d during, or you had it off?

[kyle4269]

Originally Posted by blue4shizzle

was you running tf3d during, or you had it off?

I had it running

[Exil3d]

Originally Posted by gator352

A slower (trickle) charge is better than a fast charge. Like if you use 2800mAh AA batteries and charge them in a normal charger (typically 5-6 hours), You will get a substantial life increase over charging them in a fast charger (1 hour or less). I have 3 DSLR's that prove this to be pretty accurate. You can't compare electronic batts to a gas tank. Yeah, full is full, but it's how WELL the cells retain the charge. Trickle charging is a low charge rate that keeps the battery from self discharging, thus maintaining a full capacity charge, cells lose power naturally at a rate of about 1% to 5% a day. So PC charging is more of a trickle charge than using the wall charger so it MIGHT possibly (depending on your average use) give you better battery performance.

Just what I was thinking. I slower charge is a better charge. A faster charge dont pack all the juice. Kinda like conditioning the batter. The more you use it the better it gets. Except that the slower you charge it.. the more it accepts efficiently.

[TurboFool]

Originally Posted by blue4shizzle

my thing is, the ONLY reason why it takes so long to charge while connected to the usb, is because the screen is on.. and what is the biggest thing that causes our battery to drain?? <ding ding> the lcd screen.. so obviously the reason it takes longer to charge is simply because you have that lcd screen on during the process. there is no such thing as proper way to "top off" a batter, or technique of charging it. i dont think some of us are looking at this from a very logical/scientific standpoint. of course we all would like to improve our battery life.. but thinking of wild ways to charge it wont really change a thing. face it, we have a 1350 mah battery.. that is its limit. you wont be able to get a magical extra boost from it just from the way you charge it. it will depend on usage, settings, and what rom you are using. but the idea of charging it from a usb instead of a wall charger is definately not going to make a difference.

The reason it takes so much longer to charge over USB is because USB ports on computers put out, at best, a third of the amount of power a wall charge outputs. This is well-known. I don't have the exact figures, but the USB ports barely put out more power than this phone USES, especially when it's actively in use. It's nearly a wash. Wall chargers and high-output car chargers do a much, much better job. So the difference here is that it's getting a slow charge which supposedly conditions the batteries better. I can't confirm if it's true, but this isn't the first time I've heard it.

Originally Posted by blue4shizzle

honestly.. if you took a AA energizer battery.. and you used the thing all the way till it was dead.. then you charged it back up to 100 percent- do you honestly think its going to perform any "better" than it did the first time? batteries have limits.. even though that was a harsh example, im just saying. from my experience.. ive done every trick in the book, from different batteries, to charging it while it was turned completely off, to even trying different branded chargers.. there was no change in performance whatsoever. my point is that we have to understand that what you see is what you get.

They have limits, but keep in mind they're made up internally of chemicals, chambers, crystals, etc. These all are affected by all sorts of things including temperature, degradation, etc. The manufacturing process leaves certain traces of chemical build-ups that can have effects on the battery's life. It's not absurd to think that SOMETHING could break down these chemicals and allow the cells to store a bit more energy. Not saying it would be a drastic difference, but it's not impossible. These don't work like gas tanks which have absolute capacities. These are a little more complex. All I'm saying is when the manufacturer of the battery/device tells us that deep-cycling it the first few times improves it, I'm more likely to believe them than my own limited knowledge, or that people on a message board without chemistry or engineering experience. None of us here is an expert. So when we get info from the closest thing we have access to, we don't have a good reason to ignore it.

[thacounty]

I have noticed an increase in battery life if I keep plugged in overnight instead of taking it off charger at 100%.

I get terrible battery life if I charge on my USB port on my pc, although I have never tried charging overnight on my pc.

The TP is such a drastic improvement over the Diamond I had that I haven't even noticed how bad it is haha. I was getting 4 hours with the diamond and I am getting about 9 to 10 heavy use with my TP.

I let my battery drain until low battery warning every single time and I have noticed that this does help my battery life.

[TurboFool]

Originally Posted by thacounty

I let my battery drain until low battery warning every single time and I have noticed that this does help my battery life.

That part definitely contradicts all advice by battery experts. It's bad for the life of a LiIon battery to let it drain completely.