How to configure your GPS for No Lag !!

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Yes there is. Called GPSProxy. I have no personal experience with it or how to set it up.

Here is some information on it. No promises it works, it has been listed as an alternative to GPSGate.

http://www.malsingmaps.com/wiki/inde...p_GPSProxy_2.x

[rdcrds]

should not have listened to this guy messed up my gpsgate now have re download it again agggrh

[SporkLover]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

I have no idea why people need this. I don't find the TP2 any different than Diamond or Voque for Car navigation. If GeoCaching needs something better than so be it.

But I think folks are confusing different forms of "Lag". Someone had the "normal" lag issue from the crappy COM Port emulator (that GPSGate deals with or Good Apps that don't use COM ports) And found that "Driver" on XDA. It was not developed for the TP2 and there may be issues with other devices. Or people wanted something better than standard GPS Behavior. I really think you do not need this driver. The developers main phone is a DIAMOND. Diamond never had an issue with laggy GPS (at least the CDMA one didn't).

TP2 GPS out of the Box works great.

Also this "Driver" on XDA is a COM Port Emulator and effectively may do the same as GPSGate which is eliminate the need for Windows Mobile GPS COM port emulator.

The modified driver I posted was a free alternative to GPSGate. It's a little more than an emulator; it also includes software generated position updates (instead of polling the GPS chip again) to smooth out map display movement and scrolling.

Regardless of whether it was developed by a Diamond owner, it is developed for the WM platform and there are plenty of users on XDA with WVGA devices that use this software package.

The only strikes it really has against it IMO is the setup doesn't have the polish of a commercial solution.

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Originally Posted by SporkLover

The modified driver I posted was a free alternative to GPSGate. It's a little more than an emulator; it also includes software generated position updates (instead of polling the GPS chip again) to smooth out map display movement and scrolling.

Regardless of whether it was developed by a Diamond owner, it is developed for the WM platform and there are plenty of users on XDA with WVGA devices that use this software package.

The only strikes it really has against it IMO is the setup doesn't have the polish of a commercial solution.

I don't doubt that the what you posted may work as an alternative to GPSGate.
My point of this thread is HTC/Qualcomm didn't suddenly get it wrong with TP2.
It behaves perfectly normal and the same as the last 3 generations or so.

If an update every 8ft while walking, and an update every 200ft while doing 60 mph isn't good enough for you, have at it.

And if folks have not managed to get GPSGate working (free trial) they will probably have a more difficult time getting some of these less polished alternatives working. How many of the 6 downloads do you actually have to install now?

And I don't like seeing it pushed as "the solution" that fixed the broken TP2 chip set. Because it isn't broken (any worse than last 3 generations).

I think if you update any faster, all you do is chew up more battery/cpu/resources for very little gain in practice.

But if it's the $23.00 that scares folks go for it. I agree there are other solutions and I posted the EASIEST for folks having trouble. I added GPSProxy too to the top post which I believe has been around for a long time. I've not personally used it. GPSGate did it first eons ago and it has worked great ever since.

I also want folks to realize that updating 10 times a second is not needed for walking or driving. If your walking and do a sudden turn; which is better, an incorrect interpolation or waiting for the next true update. Some Nav apps have their own interpolation/animation as well.

Again I think folks are confusing "Normal 2 Second Lag" (which is not a problem) with the misconfigured GPS that gives excessive lag. It so happens the "Driver" you pointed out main purpose is to reduce the 2 Second Lag and as a side effect can do what GPSGate does. I don't know how well it does it either. As I can run several GPS apps with GPSGate and it cruises along just fine.

[BooDaddy]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

I don't doubt that the what you posted may work as an alternative to GPSGate.
My point of this thread is HTC/Qualcomm didn't suddenly get it wrong with TP2.
It behaves perfectly normal and the same as the last 3 generations or so.

If an update every 8ft while walking, and an update every 200ft while doing 60 mph isn't good enough for you, have at it.

And if folks have not managed to get GPSGate working (free trial) they will probably have a more difficult time getting some of these less polished alternatives working. How many of the 6 downloads do you actually have to install now?

And I don't like seeing it pushed as "the solution" that fixed the broken TP2 chip set. Because it isn't broken (any worse than last 3 generations).

I think if you update any faster, all you do is chew up more battery/cpu/resources for very little gain in practice.

But if it's the $23.00 that scares folks go for it. I agree there are other solutions and I posted the EASIEST for folks having trouble. I added GPSProxy too to the top post which I believe has been around for a long time. I've not personally used it. GPSGate did it first eons ago and it has worked great ever since.

I also want folks to realize that updating 10 times a second is not needed for walking or driving. If your walking and do a sudden turn; which is better, an incorrect interpolation or waiting for the next true update. Some Nav apps have their own interpolation/animation as well.

Again I think folks are confusing "Normal 2 Second Lag" (which is not a problem) with the misconfigured GPS that gives excessive lag. It so happens the "Driver" you pointed out main purpose is to reduce the 2 Second Lag and as a side effect can do what GPSGate does. I don't know how well it does it either. As I can run several GPS apps with GPSGate and it cruises along just fine.

Not everyone agrees with you that a low resolution polling frequency is "suitable" for everyone. Just because you think that the slow resolution is OK for your needs, doesnt mean that everyone else who wants better performance is wrong.

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Originally Posted by BooDaddy

Not everyone agrees with you that a low resolution polling frequency is "suitable" for everyone. Just because you think that the slow resolution is OK for your needs, doesnt mean that everyone else who wants better performance is wrong.

That's fine. But let's not call the TP2 ChipSet suddenly defective (As some threads try to indicate). The "low resolution polling" has not changed.

But seriously. Walking along and getting an update every 8 feet isn't fast enough?

I'm just trying to seperate the "Nit Picky" folks from "Total Lost Newbie" folks and I think they are blurred together. And most newbies will be plenty happy with the "normal" update rate. I have never seen it mentioned as a problem since the mogul. Perhaps it started in the TP forums and their are more nit picky users there.

I never even bothered to look how fast iGuidance was working on any phone until now, because it just seemed to work fine.

If folks have set things up correctly and say TP works can TP2 doesn't all I can think of it's the real estate of the screen and perhaps even video drivers and the Nav application itself that is showing more the difference than the GPS update rate which has not changed.

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I just chatted with a co-worker that is a walking encyclopedia.
The GPS system is limited to 1 update every second.

[SporkLover]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

I don't doubt that the what you posted may work as an alternative to GPSGate.
My point of this thread is HTC/Qualcomm didn't suddenly get it wrong with TP2.
It behaves perfectly normal and the same as the last 3 generations or so.

If an update every 8ft while walking, and an update every 200ft while doing 60 mph isn't good enough for you, have at it.

And if folks have not managed to get GPSGate working (free trial) they will probably have a more difficult time getting some of these less polished alternatives working. How many of the 6 downloads do you actually have to install now?

And I don't like seeing it pushed as "the solution" that fixed the broken TP2 chip set. Because it isn't broken (any worse than last 3 generations).

I think if you update any faster, all you do is chew up more battery/cpu/resources for very little gain in practice.

But if it's the $23.00 that scares folks go for it. I agree there are other solutions and I posted the EASIEST for folks having trouble. I added GPSProxy too to the top post which I believe has been around for a long time. I've not personally used it. GPSGate did it first eons ago and it has worked great ever since.

I also want folks to realize that updating 10 times a second is not needed for walking or driving. If your walking and do a sudden turn; which is better, an incorrect interpolation or waiting for the next true update. Some Nav apps have their own interpolation/animation as well.

Again I think folks are confusing "Normal 2 Second Lag" (which is not a problem) with the misconfigured GPS that gives excessive lag. It so happens the "Driver" you pointed out main purpose is to reduce the 2 Second Lag and as a side effect can do what GPSGate does. I don't know how well it does it either. As I can run several GPS apps with GPSGate and it cruises along just fine.

You're to pigeon holed into your own opinion. Every post doesnt require a two page dissertation as to the merits of GPSgate, and how you aren't sure how other packages that you have never used works.

Really, maybe 1 percent of your end users on this forum care why there is lag when they fire up Garmin, the other 99 percent just want to fix it. GPS gate is wonderful $25 solution. The Xda developed modified GPS driver + emulator is another solution. It overcomes the limitation of GPS hardware polling with a software solution.

I don't push it as THE answer, just like I wouldn't push GPSGate, its just another solution out there.

And of the five downloads, all you need is a 1.37 or 1.38 software. If you use GarminXT then you need QueStub. Not really that hard. If you have any other questions you can always ask the developer who is still very active in that thread.

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Originally Posted by SporkLover

You're to pigeon holed into your own opinion. Every post doesnt require a two page dissertation as to the merits of GPSgate, and how you aren't sure how other packages that you have never used works.

Really, maybe 1 percent of your end users on this forum care why there is lag when they fire up Garmin, the other 99 percent just want to fix it. GPS gate is wonderful $25 solution. The Xda developed modified GPS driver + emulator is another solution. It overcomes the limitation of GPS hardware polling with a software solution.

I don't push it as THE answer, just like I wouldn't push GPSGate, its just another solution out there.

And of the five downloads, all you need is a 1.37 or 1.38 software. If you use GarminXT then you need QueStub. Not really that hard. If you have any other questions you can always ask the developer who is still very active in that thread.

I wrote 2 sentences on GPSGate in that last response. Way less than what you just wrote. I really don't care what you use. But I think folks are confusing the topic. I used GPSGate because it is the easiest to setup and free to try. Once you have it working you buy it or hunt for a cheaper solution. That's why I started with GoogleMaps first, starting with the simplest first.

And in my own personal opinion poll rates faster than 1 second are ridiculous.

[rdcrds]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

So many posts about GPS lag when I don't believe there is any lag on any ROM.

Lots of confusion out there so I thought I’d take a stab at this.

Some applications know how to use the Window Mobile GPS API (Like Google Maps) and some applications MUST use a com port (e.g. iGuidance). The Window Mobile COM Port Emulator (which tries to do what GPSGate does) is what causes the lag. It's that application called "Extenal GPS" DON'T use it, don't use the COM port it's set to for anything, it's the root of all evil.

********* Setup Quick GPS (Optional) *********************************************
First let’s get QuickGPS set up.
It's not set automatic update by default.
QuickGPS is not required but it will help for a quick lock for all GPS applications.

Start QuickGPS
Goto Menu Options
Uncheck - Remind Me.
Check - Auto Download when data expires.
Don't Care - Download on Active Sync (I have it off ActiveSync doesn't need anything extra)
Check - Exit QuickGPS after Download.

As soon as you click ok, it will download and exit (if it's out of date and should be out of date on a hard reset)
You should never have to run QuickGPS again (until you hard reset).

**************** Setup Google Maps (Simple) *************************************

Let's get GoogleMaps going. Basic steps are DO NOTHING !!!

You want Google Maps to use "Windows Managed" (Default), that is the Windows Mobile API.
Don't change to a com port.

Note: Don't use the “External GPS” application in Settings. It's JUNK !! There is NO COM Port for the actual GPS.

When you first start GoogleMaps the GPS is OFF !!!

You should still get a lock (on Sprint anyway). That is from the towers and cannot be used for navigation.
You will see a big circle around the dot when your lock is from towers only (Also called GPS assist).
Don't panic if you don't get a Tower Based lock. It's nice to have but not required.
But a satellite lock will take longer without it.

Turn on the GPS from the menu (Use GPS).

You will see how many Satellites are locked (constantly) and there should be no lag once it locks.
It may take some time to acquire but it's generally very quick if you already had a tower lock.

******** Setup GPSGate (Only for Applications that Require COM Ports) *****************

Now for GPSGate (only required for apps that MUST use a COM port):

Down load and install http://franson.com/gpsgate/download.asp

Windows Mobile / Pocket PC download GpsGate v2.6 build 326 for Pocket PC / Windows Mobile (1.5 MB)
Works on Pocket PC 2002, 2003, WM5 Pocket PC, WM6 Professional and Classic. Touch screen is required.
14 days free trial
Published 23. May, 2008

On Input Tab choose "WM GPS" and then Click Open. That is the Windows Mobile GPS API. Do not use any com port for input.
On Output Tab choose "Virtual COM" then click Add and choose COM3.
Leave GPSGate Running (it's running as long as you didn't click Exit) !!

GPSGate is $23.00 but there may be other free apps that work as well.

You can also check out GPSProxy (I have no experience with this or know how to set it up).
No promises GPSProxy works.
See http://www.malsingmaps.com/wiki/inde...p_GPSProxy_2.x

***************** Setup Navigation Applications ***********************************

Then configure iGuidance, TomTom etc. to use COM3.

GPSGate must be running before you start your navigation software every time.

Don’t forget to exit GPSGate when you are done or your battery will drain fast.
To exit, click the startup icon again and a menu will pop up to exit.

Other navigation apps like Sprint Navigation know how to use the Windows Mobile GPS API (no com port and GPSGate is not required). If your application requires a COM port use GPSGate and set it up correctly and you should be fine.

**************** Summary for GPS Settings for different applications ******************

Google Maps (Set GPS to Windows Managed - Default) Don't forget to set Use GPS too.
Garmin XT (Set GPS to Intermediate Driver) Thanks Swoope
iGuidance (Set GPS to COM3 - via GPSGate)
External GPS (Don't use it or the COM port it's set to, it's default is COM4).
GPSGate (Input WM GPS) (Output COM3) Only use if your application requires COM ports.
QuickGPS (Set Auto Download and Auto Exit On all other options Off) This is optional and only effects lock speed.
Sprint Navigation (Do nothing it defaults to WM GPS API).

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Oh and that whole QPST GPS configuration thing is a complete rat hole (at least on a Sprint phone).

I hope this helps some folks.

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