Any way to have a Verizon TP2 without a data plan ???

[vzwdts]

Originally Posted by SKS06460

Wait, let me understand.

VZW and Sprint let you roam over each others network, and Sprint costs less for the same coverage, but neither lets you roam off off of the network, therefore VZW is better.

Yeah, and government supplied healthcare is going to cost less than private insurance. Right. Sure. I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

There is a very large misunderstanding of how roaming agreements work on this forum. Roaming agreements don't apply everywhere. In other words, if you have Sprint, and you run into an area that doesn't have Sprint coverage but has a Verizon presence, it doesn't mean you're going to pick up service every time. Same for the other way around. Just because VZW or Sprint is in a particular area and they have a reciprocal roaming agreement doesn't mean you're going to have signal.

Moreover, if you want to talk overall footprint, Verizon's EvDO network is much more vast than Sprint's is, and when it comes to this, roaming agreements don't even apply as a Sprint subscriber can't roam on VZW's Ev. It comes down to getting what you pay for and what your needs are. Live in a area that has great Sprint coverage? No reason to switch.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by richards108

U want to know another reason u pay $30 a month for data we(verizon) have the largest natiionwide data network in the country. we put more then 6.5 bil in the network yearly. do some reaserch and check out att sprint and vzw 3g maps and let me know what u find . . . and whats the point of a pda wout a data plan its like buying a v6 mustang u want to look cool but in the end we al realise ur to cheap to own something worth while

Quite frankly I think this reply speaks more to the real reason for this then anything else.

As I keep researching this more and more it is become completely evident that not only Verizon but all the carriers have spent a great deal of money to build these high speed cellular data networks as they thought that once everyone saw how they worked everyone jump right on and get hooked on them and then could care less about how much the service cost just in the same way they have for cell phones.

The problem is that this did not happen to their expectations as so many people found they were able to use a PDA/Smartphone especially with WiFi for the internet just fine without their data connections as while it may be true for some, not everyone is buying these because they need to be joined at the hip every where every second of the day with the internet and e-mails.

So as a result even though this was a miss calculation on the carries fault they last thing they were going to do is pay for their own mistakes and now have stuck us with having to fork over the money to pay for it.

Let me ask you this, if I bought a new modem for my cable internet connection that had a phone connection for it too, does that mean I shouldn’t be able to use it for a internet connection unless I sign up for the internet phone service too just because they spent a ton of many to create one?

Or now that AT&T has finally gotten their internet service to my area and spent a ton of money doing that, should I have use that or loose my land line phone with them?

The answer to this is no !!!

So if I don’t have to do that with those things why should I have to do it with a PDA that’s be combined with a phone ??????

Also one of the things I have read was that Verizon has said was that the reason they have done this was that people were getting PDA/smart phones with no data plans but somehow and typically without their knowledge were incurring some type of data connection to which they would be charge an that they were getting a great deal of flack from customers about this so they decided to make a data plan with those mandatory.

Well can you even believe anything more crap then that, so whose fault is it if you don’t’ build your systems so that if someone who has an option for their service that isn’t supposed to be used because they haven't singed up for it, can’t actually used it?

I mean and in giving an example of the cable modem again, if I got one that has a phone connection and my cable provider can provide me with the phone service but I don’t’ subscribe to it but decide to plug a phone into it anyway, I can’t make a call can I?

As well if I decided to only have the phone and I plugged in my TV or computer into it as well those won’t work either right?

So what just because Verizon, who supposedly as richards108 states spends 6.5 billion dollars on their network yearly, can’t with all that money do a thing as simple as keep a user without an option in there subscription from using something they don’t subscribe to, especially by accident, all means "I" have to spend $360.00 a year for something I don’t need because of that?

Bottom line is this is nothing but a rip off and to be honest I can’t believe this is even legal.

I mean to force the public and especially business to endure the hardship of buying something they don’t need just to get something they do so they can stay competitive because of the screw ups of the carriers is just ing in my book.

I mean isn’t this the very thing anti-trust laws and the FCC were made to prevent?

As I understand it this all came about about a year ago, so what did they say about this?

I mean the FCC sued Verzion for something like 21 million to stop their brutal cancellation policy because of the hardships that caused so it’s not like don’t ever get involved.

So what is their take on this?

Any even so am I the only one who gets that’s its things like this that have contributed so much to the problems we are having right now?

Come on people I can’t believe that anyone would defend this and that I’m the only one who sees this for what it is and isn’t completely ed by this.

[vzwdts]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

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This may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen posted to this board. Don't want to pay for a data plan? Don't buy the phone. Don't want to pay the monthly access that Verizon wants? Don't sign up for their service. Also, please read up on anti-trust laws as clearly you have no idea what their purpose is.

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Originally Posted by vzwdts

This may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen posted to this board. Don't want to pay for a data plan? Don't buy the phone. Don't want to pay the monthly access that Verizon wants? Don't sign up for their service. Also, please read up on anti-trust laws as clearly you have no idea what their purpose is.

Exactly. And to further your point, each time VZW, or any company for that matter, gets sued, take a wild guess who pays that? I wish government would stay the heck out of the way and let business do what it does. Everything would be cheaper, and we wouldn't be the last people in the world to get things. FCC and every other government organization are shams.