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You are so wrong!
Blasphemy!! :angry7:

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I think I'm pretty right with the xp to vista upgrade. That's as best as I can describe it in tech terms. Vonnie is already wanting to mess with android from the TP2.

This phone is plagued with issues.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...-changing.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...sod-story.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...leep-mode.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...-settings.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...oft-reset.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...eo-upload.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...f3d-crash.html
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/htc-touch-...rious-lag.html

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I'm still on my first tp2, over a year old and no issues.

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Same here. I have 14 months on this little guy, no issues at all.

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and all of those issues were in the stock 6.5 ROM which is based off the trash 21889 build,flashing to a custom rom with a newer build or even sticking with the stock 6.1 rom avoided those problems. i can watch YouTube videos just fine in IE on my TP2 with vins rom and i have been able to on every rom ive flashed except for blackout ROM. and the issues in windows Vista were fixed in the first service pack so wrong again. everytime u post here ur wrong and u only make urself look stupid everytime so stop corrupting our n00bs who are interested in this phone with ur ridiculous rhetoric.

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sprint shipped the phone with windows 6.1 and offers an upgrade of windows 6.5. That's how most users will have their phones configured, and the OS is crap in comparison to BBOS, iOS, and android. It's not subjective at this point. Windows 98 is vastly inferior to Windows XP, Windows 7, Ubuntu, ect. It's not subjective. Will you concede that the TP2 is a crap phone out the box, and even crappier with the factory update?

Youtube videos dont play on the browser or link to the player out the box. Quit trying to compare a custom rom with barely any users compared to the amount of people that own the device.

And your analogy with service pack fix for vista is crap. We never had a service pack fix for windows mobile. Windows 6.5, and 6.5.x came out, which were buggier than ever. Where's the service pack you were talking about? Go back to watching your justin bieber videos, you're talking amongst adults here.

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I'm using the 6.1 shipped rom and it works great.
Operator error.
By the way, I have Vista Basic on my laptop and it works just fine.
Move along now!

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this thread is shaping up to be a classic lol.

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lmao!

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From the perspective of a software developer, when there is too much user error, the application needs to be changed. Developers design applications to fit the need of the user, and not the other way around. Believe it or not, sometimes locking out features for average users is a good thing. Less chance of screwing things up, and less variables to deal with.

Claiming operator error as an alternative to crappy software is a copout (and it gets really old). How is it operator error if the phone randomly locks? sleep of death? corrupted registry?

it doesnt take a software developer to tell you that the TP2 comes with crappy software.

you might be fine with your vista basic laptop, and I am fine with my i7 win7 pro laptop. But there is no mistake which is the better system!

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I didn't mean to start any problems here. To me this is an interesting thread. I enjoy Chardogs comments even if he might misunderstand my motivation a bit. To me it doesn't matter a whole lot about how the TP2 stacks up against more powerful devices such as the EVO. I can't use an EVO on my plan. In the early 80s I spent months working with and programming computers that didn't have a tenth of the power the TP2 packs in a device that will fit in a shirt pocket.

I purchased two TP2s on Ebay over the weekend, one is scheduled to arrive this coming Thursday and the other on Friday. It wouldn't matter to me how perfect the OS was out of the box. I like to get into the nuts and bolts of everything that I purchase. This includes everything from bicycles and hang gliders, to lumber mill equipment to cars, trucks, motorcycles, airplanes, computers, phones, DVD players and almost every other electronic gadget I get my hands on. When I first got the PPC-6700 aka the HTC Apache, it never gave me any grief, but I started tweaking the setup almost immediately. Even using WM 6.5 and Opera 10 surfing on the tiny screen of the Apache is a challenge. I am really looking forward to the larger screen of the TP2.

The TP2 is the best phone that Sprint will allow us to use without giving up our Fair and Flexible Plan. To me that is a challenge. I am very excited about trying out all the great stuff that I have been reading about here and in other forums. The truth is I have too many projects right now, but this one has caught my imagination. As I stated previously Sprint through their corporate policies is trying to force me to drop a plan that I was told that I could keep for as long as I wanted. Because of this if I can get most of the functionality of a more advanced phone by tweaking the TP2, it will give me a real sense of satisfaction.

As far as Microsoft Operating Systems... I have used them all from MS-DOS 2 on up. Many years ago I had a work study job as a computer lab assistant helping students and maintaining dozens of computers running MS-DOS 3.1. Microsoft has had some Operating Systems that many considered losers; in my experience even those builds considered losers by most could all be tweaked to work just fine.

I never had any substantial issues with ME or Vista. For years I have been helping friends with their computer problems; often they have had issues that they blamed on the OS. I can't actually remember any case where the problems my friends were certain were from deficiencies in the OS... actually had anything much to do with the OS. Even after I got them up and running and explained the issue with them... they would often be back to blaming the OS a short time later.

As far as Android... I don't have any problems with Windows but I still like to play with Linux now and then on my laptops and desktop computers. Sprint won't let me put an Android phone on my plan, using Android on the TP2 will give me a very special thrill.:evil4:

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I'm on a similar plan vonnie, SERO. We do have the option of pay an extra $10 a month for a newer device (android), and mobile to any mobile, which basically makes this plan nearly unlimited calling. I mentioned it to the other user stuck on a cheap plan. Ultimately too cheap to upgrade :P which is fine. I'm just not going to pretend that this TP2 is even a midlevel smartphone. it's the bottom of the barrel celeron with way too little ram, trying it's best to run vista ultimate. btw, windows ME and vista were the worst products microsoft has ever made.

IMO, the TP2 is too underpowered and should have been created in a blackberry type form factor minus the touch screen features. The big screen kinda implies that you touch items with your fingers, but being a resistive screen, it's just poor execution. Capacitive screens were available for a while when the TP2 launched. it was well obsolete when it came into production.

In short, don't get you're hopes too high.

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Can't say I come from royal lineage in the expertise, but the latest and greatest isn't always the best for everyone. Isn't that why we have all these options and this site? I've been available for an upgrade on my line for 8 mos but haven't. Love this phone. Capacitive screens are nice, until your sitting in the woods hunting, bored and freezing and the closest cedar twig is "best friend" stylus. Custom ROMS, shipped ROMS? Aren't we all here because one or the other works best for us yet we all NEED something more out of each?

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To be fair Windows ME has SERIOUS issues...and M$ even admitted that their is an unfix-able memory leak in ME and only fix is to upgrade to XP..it is what effectively killed the 9x based kernel and moved windows to the NT based kernel..

As for the TP2, while its no way on par with the latest devices with 1ghz processors and powerful GPUs it is a good phone...I've had it for over a year with few issues which most I was able to fix after some tinkering..I still have it on my other line and use it time to time but my heart is kinda with my Epic now lol...

Overall though PPC6700 vs TP2 is a step up, unfortunately though unlike the PPC6700...HTC cheaped out and did not include proper 3d and direct draw drivers :/..the device though is clocked faster (you can also overclock it for performance) and has a dedicated modem DSP which was introduced after mogul onwards...

As for Android, you can always try the Android port for the TP2..its not 100% complete but I think it at least has working drivers lol

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If only Sprint got some HTC HD2 love... that device is a fully fledged WM6.x, WP7, and/or AndroidOS device with actual hardkeys and no kb. And oh yeah, it's got the megaherz and megabytes that a TP2 does not :(

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hehe... I am addicted to this thread too! =]=]

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Yeah, an awesome phone for sure...But Sprint would never offer a phone that wouldn't work on it's network...:drunken:

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honestly, i do too. that's the only device that made winmo work (the snapdragon).

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XP right?
It has the speed..
It is smaller...
It is more compatble with older applications and drivers .(kitchen & hacking tools)
It can be customized to look and act like either Win7 or Vista.
I have Xp with transparent windows, aero cursor, sidebar,
It is less sneaky and intrusive
bla,bla
ha,ha
Oh yea, and Sprint does not have a decent WinMo device like the HD2
It woks as intendid with that speed.
The TP2 would have been much better out the box with only 300Mhz more.
800Mhz would have solved alot of OS issues.

HTC always messes things up just enough for you want an upgrade.
Just look at the EVOShift.. If only it had a 4" screen and front Facen camera
:p

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In my rambling I managed to get off subject. I am not trying to dispute that Windows ME had "serious issues". "Memory leaks" can still be an annoying issue even with "NT based kernels". As you know they are usually from wayward hardware or applications. We all have our work-arounds. I doubt whether Microsoft ever said that the only way to fix ME was to upgrade to XP. As I am sure you are aware the two Operating Systems had vastly different hardware requirements.

In my experience helping friends and co-workers who were having difficulties with their ME computers... the problems they were having seldom related to actual "confirmed" problems with ME. Windows ME introduced innovations that we all now take for granted and did it with computers that were more comparible to the TP2 than a current laptop or desktop. At the time I considered ME to be a bit of a resource hog compared to Win98 SE. Windows 2000 was major progress and Windows XP of course was a huge success.

The thread here is about whether it is time to move on from the TP2 to newer devices. This is not unlike the decisions many of us had to make about our hardware as we graduated from Win 3.1 to Win98 to WinME to Win2000 to WinXP to WinVista to Win7. Each new operating system was designed with upgraded hardware in mind.

In the case of the TP2 many of us are using a carrier, Sprint who is telling us if we want to upgrade our hardware past the level of the TP2 we must upgrade our plans and pay much higher monthly fees for essentially the same service in many cases. How much longer would many of us have stuck with our old WinXP computers if our monthly expenses to migrate to Win7 went from something like $90 a month to $180 a month which is approximately what the switch would cost me. I would suggest that many of us would not have bothered to upgrade our harware were that the situation with our computers.

I am thinking that as long as Sprint sticks with this policy, long time users with grandfathered retention plans will be using TP2s for a long long time to come. I predict even after 2ghz quad processor Android 6.8 phones with gigabytes of internal memory are released there will be a dedicated band of partisan cheap skate phone geek brothers and sisters who will be proudly squeezing more out of our TP2 phones. We will be pulling out our TP2s at parties and get-togethers and proudly saying yes I can take a picture of a bar code, I have a customized start up screen that makes it like like an I-phone, I can show you the weather, I can watch a youtube video, I can show you pictures of the last time I went snow mobiling, I have got GPS, I can surf the web and play angry birds, and in just a couple more minutes my customized version of android will finish loading up... I'll show you even more, and I am only paying HALF what you are paying so take that you smarty pants superphone owner newbie. I have been playing a similar game for the past five years with a PPC-6700; my friends have only recently completely lost interest. So I have been forced to up the ante by purchasing two TP2s off of Ebay, but I am hoping to dazzle them for at least a couple more years. :evil4:

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um..ME has pretty much same hardware requirements as XP..

ME
minimum: 150mhz and 32mb ram
recommended: 300mhz and 64mb ram

XP
minimum: 233mhz and 64mb ram
recommended: 300mhz and 128mb ram

My ME computer was considered average at best and it was 1.3ghz with either 256mb ram or 512mb ram..forgot...

Back then hardware requirements weren't that much of an issue..its mostly when Vista came out that it became an issue...

Windows ME was pretty bad..I mean you would run out of ram running Paint brush...it wasn't about the apps...it was just extremely flawed..I'm pretty happy that my next PC I ordered to another channel and got Windows 2000 on it rather then ME...since ME was not selling M$ forced their partners to not give 2000 to consumers and not offer NT and 98 either as an option..only ME..they later got sued and lost for it >.>

I mean people complain about Vista but as many issues that it has I am ok with it after experiencing ME..and I consider myself a tech savvy person...the best day was when I finally got an XP upgrade CD and upgraded ME to XP..I had norton installed on my pc at the time that I upgraded (and yes I know back then Norton was a memory hog too)..and XP asked me to put my ME cd to upgrade..when I did Norton said my win ME was a virus..priceless lol (It was a false positive but definitely funny)

Its a little bit of a "unique" decision overall..its not only about the device itself..its that M$ chose to discontinue windows mobile and merge it back into the Windows Embedded tree...so most people are faced with a dilemma of not just getting better hardware..but switching to a new OS as primary altogether..with this comes concerns whether or not their apps have been ported or alternatives exist..or even if the new OS even supports that 1 feature that they got accustomed to using....many people chose to move on simply because they felt there comes a point where they felt its better to invest their time and money in an OS with a future rather then continue on a dead road...M$ still says they will support wm 6.5 for a bit..but at one point there will come an end...

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well win7 has 64 bit support, better rdp client, libraries, .net 3.5 integrated, homegroups, searching is better, audio controls, networking

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I am not quite sure why this issue is so important to you. I concede that there were a few problems as there are with any new OS. The issue with upgrading hardware between ME and XP had absolutely nothing to do with the minimum processor and memory requirements. Your comparison is meaningless. XP basically required all new drivers while ME used Win98 drivers. Your statement that the only way to fix ME was to upgrade to XP is just silly; much of the hardware that would run fine on ME never had XP drivers made available.

I am sorry that you had such a difficult time with ME. Personally I continued to run Win98 SE on most of my machines because I was into video capture and editing at the time and needed to squeeze the most out of my hardware. I did buy a copy however and I also worked on many machines which had it installed. ME was the last of the hybrid 16bit/32bit operating systems. I had no real issues with it. Windows 2000 came out shortly afterwards and then XP... so of course Microsoft basically cut development off before all of the bugs were worked out. I don't know about MS Paint... but I had no issues running Photoshop on ME. My feeling has always been that it was a much maligned OS. But it is all ancient history now.

I did find out that at the end of the month Sprint is going to be tacking an additional $10 to every new smart phone added to your account. These are defined as “a device that supports a robust operating system including: Android, BlackBerry, Instinct, Palm and Windows Mobile.” I am very glad my two TP2s will be here before the end of the month. I think I will go ahead and keep my PPC-6700 active and dump my A-900 and A-920 phones.

"For those of you that already have 3G phones on the Sprint network, fret not (or at least not yet), as you won’t be dinged with the new charge unless you either upgrade your existing smartphone or activate a new smartphone on your existing account. If and when you do decide to upgrade or change your plan, however, even those of you that aren’t packing the latest 4G phones will still have to pony up another $10 bucks a month."

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/01/sprint-4g-data-plan/

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Yes photoshop ran fine..Paint did not :(...its kinda a mental trauma with me an ME >.> lol anyways...


I do not think these premium data plans are ment for old plans...because if they allow premium data plans on old lines then people would be able to get new phones on old plans...which Sprint does not want either...hence I don't think old plans will be effected by the $10 fee smartphone or not...(Then again only option for smartphone is windows mobile lol)

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you're still running your mouth. you are the childish justin bieber fan because you continue to troll threads when someone has a problem to say how "crappy "of an OS WM is instead of suggesting a solution to the problem. i have NEVER seen u help anyone. the stock 6.1 rom was fine out the box so wrong again but for some reason the stock 6.5 rom is problematic and its only the stock 6.5 rom that has these issues. if the TP2 was such a terrible device it wouldn't have 90% user approval (4 stars of 5) on the sprint site,that's almost the same rating as the EVO. so grow up and stop trolling and crying.

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ROFLMAO!

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yea i sure showed him up and now he's gonna leave like always. u should thank my posts.

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You shouldn't beg but I'll give you one anyway. ;)

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i don't beg i suggest,that's y i said should jaja I'm tryin to get to 1000 rep by the end of the month.

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[QUOTE=gTen;2044938]Yes photoshop ran fine..Paint did not :(...its kinda a mental trauma with me an ME >.> lol anyways... QUOTE]

It is very frustrating when you buy a product that does not deliver. I know others who were unhappy with ME. Some advertised features such as system restore didn't really start working well until after they matured in XP. Thinking about it... there are some parallels between ME and the TP2. ME was basically an orphaned OS just as WM 6.5 currently is. And I am sorry for getting a little confused as to who said what in the discussion.

I am not sure about the new $10/month fee that will be assessed by Sprint on all new phone activations for devices with a "robust operating system". I suppose it makes sense on many levels. I am just gald that I probably will not have to pay the new fee anytime soon. But it will be a strong incentive to keep the TP2s for a very long time. I should probably thank someone at Sprint for this altruistic effort to keep my ETF (Electronic Trinket Fever) in check for the next couple of years.:protest:

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How originalThat's because you're not looking, click on my username and take a look at my post history.4/5 is 80%.... and dropping. The TP2 had a 4.6 rating when I bought that thing, and it's been progressively been getting worse.

call it initial glee.... it wowed people, but when people started using it for some time, the problems showed up.

go ahead and check the newest reviews on the TP2 where people are starting to get buyers remorse. They're hilarious.

Recent 10, no bias:

"Freezes all the time"
"Piece of junk"
"Horrible"
"Best qwerty still"
"Unstable
"Unfriendly PTouch2"
"Don't Think Twice,Don't Even Look at it."
"Completely regret purchasing this phone"
"Absolute Junk"
"Good phone if you like to reset it 3 times a day"

such raving reviews....

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look at your post history? i did that already. thats how i know about how u didnt help anyone most of ur posts are u whining about how "shitty" of an OS WM is. and i saw the reviews and yea again they could be attributed to the stock 6.5 rom which is shipped with later units and i admit that rom is flawed why cant u understand that part? and besides the EVO has bad reviews too,one of which where it was referred to as the EVIL.so served again.

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how do you explain my thanked posts?

served again? lmfao, the only ones you're serving are the customers at mcdonalds.

great rebuttle.

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You should change your title to WinMo Hater instead of PPCGeeks Regular. :(

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You have to be VIP to change titles..or a mod can change them too for none VIPs..

Anyways..must we really discuss this? can we move on to something a little more productive?

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wow seriously is that the best uve got? u may have thanked posts but the rest are ur usual troll ,whining garbage. and was there really a need to make that potentially racially stereotypical remark that u made? are u done with making urself lookin even more idiotic,tarado y poco hombre?

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well as mod (not to sound disrespectful or anything) but its your call to close or move this thread when necessary. this thread hasn't really been productive till he started posting and the OP hadn't been following this thread in quite sometime now

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in before the lock.

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Well generally each mod handles their own section unless things get really out of hand...what I posted was friendly advice as a fellow member..not as a mod..usually if we post as mods we use pretty colors...

In any case the point is not to get out of hand, mostly with personal remarks...we don't just go closing threads, if personal insults are made disciplinary action is also taken against the individuals who caused it mostly those that post things like:

jk ;) lol

but in all seriousness we want an environment where people respect their fellow members..we all get into arguments and all and that ok but lets not disrespect each other...we are all here to help each other and receive help when needed so lets be courteous to one another k?

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Touchpro 2 has alot of life ,yes it has problems but the customizations is incredible. Plus so many free games and apps of quality. Touchpro2 has alot of life ,dont sweat that its not perfect. No phone is super smooth and if it is its totally locked down.