Strong Points of the TP2 [over Android]

[redd214]

Originally Posted by Wesley762

Show me Native support for Exchange on Android, Oh wait its not there.

Show me Native support for Microsoft Office for Android, Oh wait it's not there.

Show Me How you can install apps without a Marketplace on Android, Oh wait you can't (without Modding your Device) and that would not be installed in the OS. I Enjoy the fact that I have choices where I get my software and I don't have big brother tracking what I use and someone Making the choice whether or not the App is ok.

I can go on and on all day long saying android sucks and WM rules, but you know what? I am not, I like both OS's and again I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this but both have there perk's and there flaws. if you can't handle someone debunking you than find some other website to troll on where they are going to let you.

more robust exchange support will come with froyo.

of course as you said office isnt there but if we polled this forum on whether or not they use office mobile i would bet money that 75% would say no. now i use it exstensivly which is why docs to go was the first app i purchased. htc has quick office as well that comes preloaded you can only view however no editing.

as far as installing apps not from the market, not sure where you got your info but that is completly false. its a simple thing to allow in the settings, takes 2 seconds. the only carrier i know that doesnt allow that without rooting is at&t, guess why lol.

i use both os's daily and at the end of the day both have their good and bad, really comes down to each users specific needs. at this point in time i would call them about even, but remember android is coming up on 2 yrs and how long has winmo been out....?

[redd214]

and tell me isnt anywhere near the same level as googles voice recognition. thats like michael jordan going one on one with an 11 year old, just chalk up and L on that point. winmo just doesnt have anything that compares, sorry.

[muyoso]

Originally Posted by Wesley762

Wait are you telling me that you would have to go somewhere else besides the Market place? would that not defeat the purpose of your argument of the Market place?

More to come...........

Uh, you were the one that said being able to install outside of the marketplace was a killer feature that Windows Mobile had that Android didn't. You were the one who said that you don't want some corporation deciding what apps were ok for you to install. And no, I am not telling you that you HAVE to go somewhere else besides the market. And no, it does not defeat the purpose of the market. What are you even talking about?

I suggest you really give Android a try. You can install it on the TP2 without much hassle at all, and it doesn't affect the windows mobile installation at all. Its a great OS with very few of the limitations that you think it has.

[lipidfats]

Originally Posted by Wesley762

I think that everyone needs to stop making this we got 65k in app's a deal closer, I mean realistically how many version's of solitaire do you really need. Yes they have a Ton of app's but WM has just as many. So ya not every single WM app is not in one place, you know what? thats ok because I don't have one company controlling over whether or not that or this app is acceptable.
There are TON's of FREE Apps,
http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com
http://www.pocketpcfreeware.org/
http://www.freewareppc.com/

I just don't see the Market place a winning argument.

You don't even know your own platform, man. Those sites are garbage and have been pretty much abandoned in the last couple years. Please, never mention those sites again because it's a buzzkill for my winmo fan side. The main freeware sites are freewarepocketpc.net and 1800pocketpc.com. The former even has their own freeware market you can install to device. Unfortunately, they're packed with 99% trash.

It's not about the quantity of apps. You are clearly missing the big picture. What's available on all these winmo sites and markets are, simply put, crap. Theyre outdated in functionality and looks, and some don't even work anymore. That explains why you listed the worst freeware sites of them all because even you don't care to investigate these alternate sources. You said how many versions of solitaire do we need? That's just it, the selection on winmo may be repeats and unimpressive, but you will be shocked by what is available on the android market already. Even the clones of the good ones are good, it's rather impressive to see after using winmo for so long. You really need to try before you try to say they're equal.

No matter how many markets or sites you provide for winmo, you cannot be happy to use it in argument because of the quality of the apps and the hoops you have to jump through - not to mention price. $30 for im+ full and resco explorer each? That's crazy!

Small and Major developers have abandoned winmo. Your boys at skyfire update the winmo version once a year? They keep updating it for android and they're putting their newest features in it. Same with opera mini, it actually gets updated and guess what, it works! Not to mention Dolphin browser HD is Fennec, but actually works. All the previous winmo only premium apps have already made it over and they're even better, which is a damn shame because i know winmo can do better. It's sad that not even fandango wants to make an app for winmo. You may not care for that app, but it's surely a sign of how bad things are in the eyes of companies/developers.

In the end, the developers decide which platform is better for apps. WinMo is done in that regard. If you're someone who likes apps, you're on the wrong platform. And if you've never spent a few days with android or iPhone, you don't understand the amount of quality apps/games out there...

Anyway, I'm done here... i'm wasting too much time debating points that shouldn't even be up for debate. Take my advice, stop trying to find winmo equivalents for what android can do and start looking for stuff that WinMo can do OVER or Better than android. That's the only path that can hold some water. Good luck.

PS: i use both platforms. I just can't get behind your points.

[vin255764]

Win mo has no future just because out of box its sucks.Thats why we all here to make it the way it should be.
But most of the people have no clue what is .cab,.tsk,regedit and when they come to the store to shop of course they will choose supersonic or evo or iphone 4 (front camera and video call is a killer)

BTW I love my TP2 especially after CHT showed up and Since Im with sprint,there is no way to get iphone4 lol

[cdmoore74]

Here is my honest opinion.

I bought my verizon tp2 on launch day and at the time it was the best smartphone money could buy. I've been flashing a bunch of roms but kept coming back to mighty mikes. The phone has been great and the battery life is just kick ass. But I keep feeling that app support was dying on this platform. Since I'm still serving time under a 2 year contract with the tp2, I decided to search craigslist for a moto droid thinking I can get one cheap. So on day 2 of looking, a software developer placed a new moto droid he got from the google i/o conference on craigs for $125. After finally getting the phone activated (don't ask) I instantly fell in love. I rooted the phone and was able to install custom roms (wonderful app called rom manager makes it simple) and I overclocked it to 1ghz without issues, the phone is just a beast. Google navigation just works (the gps picks up very quick and is very accurate); no need for a third party nav program but I do have copilot just in case. So many web browsers to choose from but the best is dolphin hd; best mobile browser I've ever used. The only thing lacking was a video player that played high res xvid but just today I downloaded "rockplayer" and it plays videos like butter. The craigslist and ebay apps are excellent and there is so much more to explore. The entire google experience is excellent. If I use igoogle on my computer all my appointments update instantly on the phone along with my contacts on gmail.
I can really go all day and I've only had the phone for 2 weeks. Today I preordered a droid x at bestbuy finding that reviews and early benchmarks puts the phone at the top of the list. The droid is going to the wife and I'm getting the X. I do hope that microsoft will get their act together with mobile 7 because I really do love the battle that's unfolding in the mobile arena. But I can't help but feel that microsoft let windows mobile out to die.

[rhacy]

Originally Posted by vin255764

Win mo has no future just because out of box its sucks.Thats why we all here to make it the way it should be.
But most of the people have no clue what is .cab,.tsk,regedit and when they come to the store to shop of course they will choose supersonic or evo or iphone 4 (front camera and video call is a killer)

BTW I love my TP2 especially after CHT showed up and Since Im with sprint,there is no way to get iphone4 lol

Cheers Vin! Your 6.5.x ROM builds have made my TP2 incredibly solid and loaded with eye candy for many months now. Thanks so much again!

In regard to strong and weak points of each OS, the fully integrated speech to text with Android is a great feature, and something I'd like to see integrated in WM or at least in the forthcoming WP OS. That said, bing and Tellme have been somewhat of a start, but again full integration would be fantastic.

One of the missing Android features that's been major deal breaker for me, was the lack of blue-tooth voice dialing directly from the headset. Thankfully, this issue has just recently been fixed with the Froyo release. Nonetheless, if your Android phone does not have Froyo yet. It's still missing a major phone feature that's been available for years on other platforms. Moreover, the lack of this ability has limited Android's use as an actual phone for myself and many others, as hands free only phone use is the law while driving here.

One thing that I really miss with the capacitive touch only iPhone and Android type screens verses the TP2 and older WM phones, is the ability to use a stylus to write notes, work on diagrams or sketches, get signatures for invoices easily, or just use a finger nail to select something. Plus, it's just nice to have the option to use an accurate down to the pixel stylus instead of having to finger the screen all the time.

As far as my business use goes, the TP2 has no equal yet, largely due to it's keyboard, as well as it's exchange, office, and mobile invoice software integration. For personal use, I think WM, iOS, and Android are all fairly equal when each is unlocked, loaded with apps, and optimized. With regard to speed, obviously the EVO or HD2 or anything with double the processing power and ram outperforms the TP2 or Diamond or older iPhones.

As far as which OS is best, heck, I enjoy modifying my iPhones once jailbroken almost as much as WM when unlocked, and I'm sure I will enjoy tweaking Android as much once rooted. In accordance with full disclosure, my experience with Android is limited to testing out the Droid for a few weeks, the EVO recently for the weekend, and loading 2.1 on my Diamond, TP2, as well as loading Froyo on my old iPhone 3G. My bottom line is that all our current mobile platforms have pluses and minuses, and all have plenty of room for improvement. In turn, it's really up to each user to customize each OS and UI for their specific needs. In that respect, I have really appreciated the great work done through the years by members here at ppcgeeks and over at xda. Without them, WM would suck, as Vin put it so succinctly. IMHO, everyone should just enjoy what they have to the max, be thankful we have many options and great sites to help us modify our systems, and try not to be full of hate or envy.

Best to all,
R

[pimpsuprazx]

I know what ima do, I'm just gonna go in the android forum and be like

WINDOWS RULES

lol

[Dr.8820]

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[QMeli907]

Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Comes down to preference.

Use what you want, how you want to use it.

If you're not happy....SWITCH