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[Paragon]

@ p-slim, give it up my friend you're never going to get him to understand or accept it.

Just for the record I have seen this arguement in the past, and most people understand, and/or accept it, knowing that it is basic business 101. If not they understand the idea of getting a phone elsewhere.

All I can say is that if you think it's bad that Verizon is doing it, just wait. It is only going to become more and more popular. In fact there are many other carriers around the world doing it as well. I give my money to one every month here in Canada (Telus) In fact I think every carrier here does it, so I guess I don't even have a choice like WBFAir, but I understand why they do it so it's not a problem.

Dave

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

God almighty OK here we go again.

An this is the last time p

Again your wrong.

Stealing something means taking something from me against my will. It has nothing to do with whether I know about it or not.

For example, leading people to believe that if they sign up for a two year contract an pay top dollar for their services over others that they at the end of that two years you will be able to buy a more advanced phone or device then what they got at a much much lower rate then they would have to if they didn't do all that, but then making only some of those actually qualify for this or in truth really none at all because any thing that would actually qualify as a true advancement while up front is cheaper, but in the long run is actually going to cost me a extra $750.00.

And doing all that in knowing that if I choose to not pay for that the only thing I can get if I decide to go somewhere else is something that in the end it will probably cost me almost as much or as be of no advancement.

An as well doing all that for the sheer reason that they know full well that if they don’t do this and gave the customer the choice to not do that, there is no way they can pay for some other service that this customer doesn't need nor wants.

In doing all of this, this is putting someone in a position that they are being forced to have money taking from them against their will in one way or another and that is stealing.

An btw, giving you the choice to take this or walk away from all of it with nothing is not a choice, a choice is when you choose between things of the same or equal value, an taking away any and all choices but the ones you do not want or that do not equate to that is not the definition of that.

That is called no choice.

Kinda like, I have no choice that there is anything I can do to get you to stop thinking that stealing my money is OK.

This is not stealing.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by p-slim

This is not stealing.

Yes

it is

Its just not for you as you get from it.

But as others have to loose for you to get, and loose against their will.

This is stealing.

From them to you.

[sprintgirl]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Simple put sprintgirl, the way this is, is, by what the carries have done, if you want this device or any device in its class or remotely close to what it can do, then fork over a extra $750.00 for something even if you don't need it and if you don't, then you can't have it.

If that isn't holding a gun to your head about it, then what would you consider would be?

An second I think have read your post just find, you have argued all along that you feel that anyone who gripes about this is just being cheap and that you feel that is wrong an that they should stop complaining and just pay it.

Simple put that has been the gist of all that you have said.

And all I have been saying is, you don't have the right to decide for anyone what is justified and what is not.

OMG you are an idiot and half the crap you say doesnt even make sense. Learn how to type. And what I would consider putting a gun to your head is literally having a gun to your head. Regardless of what you say they cannot force you to pay for it. And you still cant admit you have trouble reading. Otherwise you would understand that my arguement is not that you are cheap (even though you are) but that you dont really need such an expensive phone if you dont want data you could purchase or probably get for free a non data phone. Wifi useage should be contingent upon (that means based on) purchase of a data plan. You are the guy who just wants something for nothing and personally I hope everybody puts a security passcode on their wifi just so you cannot use the service they pay for for free. As for half the crap you say...I think you are full of it. You are just a story topper (that means you have to one up everything everyone else has to say) looking for sympathy. Told you how to save money with another company...but go ahead and stay with the most expensive company in wireless and cry about it. That alone just shows the emptyness of your ignorant (that means stupid, uninformed and weakly backed up) arguement.

[sprintgirl]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Yes

it is

Its just not for you as you get from it.

But as others have to loose for you to get, and loose against their will.

This is stealing.

From them to you.

Kind of like you stealing wifi unless you are in a designated place that provides it for free...like a hotel and that isnt free it is based on you paying for a room. And even though starbucks doesnt provide it for free anymore it was based on you purchasing something else from them...but if you are going to use somebody elses wifi...that they pay for and didnt put a passcode on then you are stealing. hm...get a little more hypocritical.

[dtrush]

I for one don't consider what Verizon is doing is necessarily "stealing" as what has been pointed out earlier that they don't force users to use their service all in all. Fortunately I am free to choose another carrier, just like WBFAir did, which gives us what we need at a super awesome price and Verizon service.
Please, everyone realize that I think it's rediculous that in general you feel that we're "stealing" by NOT choosing to purchase a data plan with our phones. When it was perfectly acceptable for MANY years not to pay for something not needed. Do we owe Verizon money for all of these past years because we didn't pay our share???? Because we didn't throw thousands of dollars their way the network hasn't progressed that far because of our "greediness"???? If Verizon had us on a dumb phone we'd not be paying for data either. Why does it matter if we choose to make phone calls on a PDA vs. a dumb phone????
Maybe we should go after HTC here for including a Wi-Fi module in the phone as it's obviously not needed. They're providing ways for people to steal from Verizon or other carriers. The other Samsungs I mentioned had Wi-Fi also. Maybe they're the crazies and out of line too. Let's put liability where it lies O.K.

These arguments are rediculous to say the least people bring up about Wi-Fi users "stealing" service. That's like someone purchasing a Ferrarri or some fast car and choosing to go the speed limit is a law breaker because they're not using the car for it's obviously INTENDED use which would be to drive as fast as it can.

LOL! This thread is continuing to get more entertaining by the minute.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by sprintgirl

Kind of like you stealing wifi unless you are in a designated place that provides it for free...like a hotel and that isnt free it is based on you paying for a room. And even though starbucks doesnt provide it for free anymore it was based on you purchasing something else from them...but if you are going to use somebody elses wifi...that they pay for and didnt put a passcode on then you are stealing. hm...get a little more hypocritical.

Oh I whole hardly agree and perhaps I am at a loss here but I don't think I ever prescribed to anybody or that anyones else here has prescribed to do any stealing of anyones WiFi

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by dtrush

I for one don't consider what Verizon is doing is necessarily "stealing" as what has been pointed out earlier that they don't force users to use their service all in all. Fortunately I am free to choose another carrier, just like WBFAir did, which gives us what we need at a super awesome price and Verizon service.
Please, everyone realize that I think it's rediculous that in general you feel that we're "stealing" by NOT choosing to purchase a data plan with our phones. When it was perfectly acceptable for MANY years not to pay for something not needed. Do we owe Verizon money for all of these past years because we didn't pay our share???? Because we didn't throw thousands of dollars their way the network hasn't progressed that far because of our "greediness"???? If Verizon had us on a dumb phone we'd not be paying for data either. Why does it matter if we choose to make phone calls on a PDA vs. a dumb phone????
Maybe we should go after HTC here for including a Wi-Fi module in the phone as it's obviously not needed. They're providing ways for people to steal from Verizon or other carriers. The other Samsungs I mentioned had Wi-Fi also. Maybe they're the crazies and out of line too. Let's put liability where it lies O.K.

These arguments are rediculous to say the least people bring up about Wi-Fi users "stealing" service. That's like someone purchasing a Ferrarri or some fast car and choosing to go the speed limit is a law breaker because they're not using the car for it's obviously INTENDED use which would be to drive as fast as it can.

LOL! This thread is continuing to get more entertaining by the minute.

Now that we've gotten it out of the way that its not stealing, you are wrong technology has changed by Verizon keeping the best network with towers and their going lte, all of this is costing billions and the company needs to make up for it.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by sprintgirl

OMG you are an idiot and half the crap you say doesnt even make sense. Learn how to type. And what I would consider putting a gun to your head is literally having a gun to your head. Regardless of what you say they cannot force you to pay for it. And you still cant admit you have trouble reading. Otherwise you would understand that my arguement is not that you are cheap (even though you are) but that you dont really need such an expensive phone if you dont want data you could purchase or probably get for free a non data phone. Wifi useage should be contingent upon (that means based on) purchase of a data plan. You are the guy who just wants something for nothing and personally I hope everybody puts a security passcode on their wifi just so you cannot use the service they pay for for free. As for half the crap you say...I think you are full of it. You are just a story topper (that means you have to one up everything everyone else has to say) looking for sympathy. Told you how to save money with another company...but go ahead and stay with the most expensive company in wireless and cry about it. That alone just shows the emptyness of your ignorant (that means stupid, uninformed and weakly backed up) arguement.

As I have said, I have been through all this before and if you think what you think sprintgirl keep in mind that all I have been doing is trying my best to reply to what ever crap I get as I have barely made one single new point on anything for about 5 pages now.

So yeah if all I get is insane crap then how am I supposed make that into anything else.

But as I said I've been through all of this before and no one yet here can dispute the right and the wrong of this, which btw is why this kind of thing always ends up this way with nothing but crap.

But in the end all I have to say is, if you think I am so wrong and you are so right then let’s put that to the test.

Like I have always said, lets make this a choice and see what happens an let the results from that decide as after all if I’m so wrong then no one will dump there data plans and nothing at all will happen.

But you all know that’s not what would happened don’t you and by all of your very own zealousness to fight this you are by your very actions admitting just how much you know that, an how wrong you are, an proving me right every time with every word, as simply put, you all know just as much as the carriers know as why else would they make this mandatory and take that choice away, that there would be a enormous amount of people that would dump this data plan in a heart beat an those are all the people that agree with me and know how wrong you an this is and as such then you would end up paying more for your precious data and that is what you are all really afraid off and why all your arguments end up being nothing but crap.

So simply put again, lets test if I’m wrong an you are right is, help get this optional an lets see what happens, but as long as you fight against that all you are doing is proving me right with every word and showing how deep down inside you all know it.

So go on banter an twist this all you want but until anyone of you are ready to prove that with what I am proposing, then none of that means anything.

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Now that we've gotten it out of the way that its not stealing, you are wrong technology has changed by Verizon keeping the best network with towers and their going lte, all of this is costing billions and the company needs to make up for it.

Wow its really amazing what you classify as making the grade for the grand decision.

Basically its anything that makes you able to steal, huh p

Well read what else I posted and when you are ready to put your money where your mouth is then let me know.