Could Windows mobile 7 be for real

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Okeif_ObD

Not to be contrite, but snapdragon processors and capacitive screens aren't necessarily without their own drawbacks.

Sure, you may get more graphics with a snapdragon processor, but if your phone is used primarily for work or just for communication, then that's a mighty large power-drain.

And, equally, capacitive screens have their own limitations; i.e. no stylus. Fat-finger friendly-only may work for the luddites, but I know after 10 years of WinMo I still use my stylus 30-40% of the time.

Sure, I think WinMo needs to start setting the bar with respect to h/w, but I don't think that should come at anyone's expense. The quickest way to kill WinMo, or any other, is to try and replicate someone else's success to the 'T'.

As for this thread: FoF.

not disagreeing at all with any of the stated here, but when you think about it, wm is still ahead of the hardware game with the exception of capacitive touch screen. When we first read the specs of windows phone 7 2 years ago we were scratching our heads a bit because we knew it would be powerful - even moreso than the most powerful phone at the time (which was the tilt perhaps). Its tough to argue if microsoft is spearheading this campaign for snapdragon and monumental ram, but it can be argued that microsoft is making oem developers very aware to keep a partnership in the future, the hardware has to be much different. That aside windows is evolving and I think will still blow us all away and I think again people will not be dismayed.

But even now, touch pro 2 can go toe to toe with android and iphone and do fairly well. The problem in windows mobile is advertising and the nuts in the blogosphere *pointing at noah of phone dog for example* for continuously bashing windows mobile and calling anything else the shangrila. Opinions differ on devices granted, but comments such as windows sucks bla bla bla is dismissing what is being done in the industry by microsoft - which is a lot. Just sayin...

[Rick#2]

I'm not sure what the fuss is about with respect to the Snapdragon processors, anyways. Specs on paper and real-world performance are two different things... especially if you try and keep in mind the limitations put on the MSM7XXX series' graphics capabilities. Word is that the HD video decoding functionality of the Snapdragon processor in the HD2 was already crippled. Not a huge fan of Qualcomm anymore, but it seems HTC is still in bed with them. (Whether to be disappointed with HTC or Qualcomm is another issue, since it seems all of the hubris on the older MSM chipsets has to do with licensing fees HTC isn't paying Qualcomm).

Now, show me an OMAP4 powered HTC device and I'll be excited.

[siff]

Windows Phone 7 will be the last mobil OS from Microsoft. I have a close friend who is on the development team in Redmond.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by Okeif_ObD

Not to be contrite, but snapdragon processors and capacitive screens aren't necessarily without their own drawbacks.

Sure, you may get more graphics with a snapdragon processor, but if your phone is used primarily for work or just for communication, then that's a mighty large power-drain.

Bollocks. I'm running the eXpo with a 1500mAh battery, Snapdragon and 3G. It gets very good battery life--as good if not better than my Sprint TP2. If AT&T weren't so damn expensive, I'd actually think about switching because Snapdragon (or any next-gen CPU) is so much better with WinMo.

And it IS a game changer for using internet-based applications (browsers, voip, email, etc.) as it can actually handle all the data 3G is pulling down for the first time. Sure Qualcomm is beyond shady, but as an end-user, Snapdragon is a breath of fresh air as it finally unleashes some of the power in WinMo. No 720P? I'm not crying over it at this point--that's a pretty niche area for mobile phones right now, something which I'm sure WM7 will address (like my ZuneHD with Tegra, also awesome).

Originally Posted by siff

Windows Phone 7 will be the last mobil OS from Microsoft. I have a close friend who is on the development team in Redmond.

I don't think so.

[skuddy]

no offense to your "close friend in redmond," but they just rebranded windows mobile to windows phone. what part of attempting to breathe new life into their mobile platform says that they will only make 1 more mobile operating system. plus, the market for mobile OSes is so large that you can rest assured windows wants a piece of that pie.

and for those of you who are thinking you want windows phone 7 on your TP2, dont count on it. its just bad business sense. HTC refused to release windows phone 6.5 for the regular touch pro because they wanted you to buy a touch pro 2. the cell phone companies need their contract renewals. the cell phone manufacturers need their revenue from selling phones. they will never let you run the newest OS on a legacy device. thats just silly.

in a few short years the lines between laptop and netbook and cell phone will blur and there will likely be one device to replace them all. so back to your "close friend in redmond." maybe they will only be making 1 last mobile operating system, and they will be moving to a better tablet OS, or something along those lines.

huh. disproving myself once again. im soo good at that.

[Noir]

tablet services have been integrated in oses since windows vista...I doubt there will be a separate tablet os
out of the box windows supports most tablet pc drivers and even functioning much better than the OEM device driver itself!

if anything the smart phone market may diverse itself a bit more especially with samsung's new os on the horizon...

[mikeszekely]

Windows Mobile 7 will be out late this year. It will almost certainly not be be made available for the Touch Pro2 (in the US, we're having a hard enough time getting the promised 6.5 updates). One of the requirements for WinMo 7 is a capacitive touch screen, and as far as I know the only WinMo phone with a capacitive touch screen is the HD2.

[computerjunkie]

WinMo7 is real but it won't be out for TP2 like Mike said. It also has other hardware requirements such as specific processors, etc.

MSFT is moving towards controlling hardware more so they can deliver a better product. The reason why Apple products "just work" is because Apple controls both the software and the hardware of their products. This allows them to do a lot of testing and tailor their software to ensure it works with their hardware.

The problem MSFT has had in the past is that their operating system (windows, windows mobile) are generic and have minimum system requirements. Because of this the operating system's performance is unpredictable to a certain degree.

[Young_breedent]

Originally Posted by Okeif_ObD

Not to be contrite, but snapdragon processors and capacitive screens aren't necessarily without their own drawbacks.

Sure, you may get more graphics with a snapdragon processor, but if your phone is used primarily for work or just for communication, then that's a mighty large power-drain.

And, equally, capacitive screens have their own limitations; i.e. no stylus. Fat-finger friendly-only may work for the luddites, but I know after 10 years of WinMo I still use my stylus 30-40% of the time.

Sure, I think WinMo needs to start setting the bar with respect to h/w, but I don't think that should come at anyone's expense. The quickest way to kill WinMo, or any other, is to try and replicate someone else's success to the 'T'.

As for this thread: FoF.

thats where alot of people are wrong. Processor are getting more powerful and using less battery not more. They manage memory better and are more power efficient. Look at th HD2 for example, smaller battery, more powerful processor, yet has good battery life. There were complaints at first but the battery is definitely good for the size it is. Also if your not using some of the power that the processor has (graphics and what not) how is it using more battery or a power drain as you call it???

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by mikeszekely

Windows Mobile 7 will be out late this year. It will almost certainly not be be made available for the Touch Pro2 (in the US, we're having a hard enough time getting the promised 6.5 updates). One of the requirements for WinMo 7 is a capacitive touch screen, and as far as I know the only WinMo phone with a capacitive touch screen is the HD2.

I don't think capacitive screen is a requirement. Processing speed and power is a requirement but the os can work on capacitive or resistive screen. the iphone could technically work on a resisitive screen but it would be highly unaccurate for certain features and programs.