What do you HATE about the TP2??

[brownhornet]

Sigh @ people still using the "designed for business" excuse when its nowhere near the most popular business device.

[cbreze]

I can't think of hardly anything I could say I hate, but maybe the kb(weight/bulk) , while one of the best I've used on a phone I'm going to receive an Imagio today or tomorrow and hope to get used to it and I know the lighter, less bulky feel will be a treat. I may come running back to the tp2, but I'm going to really try to get the hang of the virtual kb. The 5mp cam might be nice also.

[rorytmeadows]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Sigh @ people still using the "designed for business" excuse when its nowhere near the most popular business device.

Blackberry and WinMo dominate the business market. Blackberry was designed for simpler business use and WinMo for more integrated business use. Blackberry just happens to be more popular because it's easier to use. And since Bush got elected twice, there are plenty of people in this country that need things a little simpler.

[brownhornet]

Im still tired of the excuse... especially considering that the majority of the people that have these phones have them for personal use and not business. Microsoft just half steps like they do on everything else.. thats the real excuse.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Im still tired of the excuse... especially considering that the majority of the people that have these phones have them for personal use and not business. Microsoft just half steps like they do on everything else.. thats the real excuse.

Not Microsoft, but HTC. HTC is the one putting in a crappy camera and no flash, not Microsoft. It was HTC who decided consumers don't want a keyboard, not Microsoft.

[rorytmeadows]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

Im still tired of the excuse... especially considering that the majority of the people that have these phones have them for personal use and not business. Microsoft just half steps like they do on everything else.. thats the real excuse.

No one's saying Microsoft didn't make mistakes with marketing etc, but Blackberry and WinMo are best for business because they are designed to work with Exchange Servers and network protocols, and they can be customized to fit network policies (such as not letting employees use cameras, internet, get on facebook, etc etc).

If you (not you personally brownhornet) bought this phone for personal use, when your needs aren't in line with that stuff, then you're a plain ol' moron. There are better phones out there for other needs right now.

My needs were: I want a phone that is basically like a mini Windows computer. Start menu, desktop, icons, file structure, registry, LAN access, RAM maintenance...looks like I'm all set.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by rorytmeadows

No one's saying Microsoft didn't make mistakes with marketing etc, but Blackberry and WinMo are best for business because they are designed to work with Exchange Servers and network protocols, and they can be customized to fit network policies (such as not letting employees use cameras, internet, get on facebook, etc etc).

If you (not you personally brownhornet) bought this phone for personal use, when your needs aren't in line with that stuff, then you're a plain ol' moron. There are better phones out there for other needs right now.

My needs were: I want a phone that is basically like a mini Windows computer. Start menu, desktop, icons, file structure, registry, LAN access, RAM maintenance...looks like I'm all set.

So you think it's out of the question for a phone to have a start menu, desktop, icons, all that stuff you said your needs were- AND take decent pictures with a camera that has a flash? And still have a decent keyboard and a tilting screen?

I don't see how anyone can say stripping out features makes it a business phone. It's a given the diamond 2 (or Imagio) is a consumer phone, and it still does all the same business things as the Touch Pro 2.

HTC just got some weird notion that consumers don't want a keyboard. Nothing more, nothing less. Hopefully the Motorola Droid and Motorola Click will kill them in sales and they'll get the hint. Of course, HTC would probably then just assume it was because they had Android and continue to ignore the keyboards...

[rorytmeadows]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

So you think it's out of the question for a phone to have a start menu, desktop, icons, all that stuff you said your needs were- AND take decent pictures with a camera that has a flash? And still have a decent keyboard and a tilting screen?

I don't see how anyone can say stripping out features makes it a business phone. It's a given the diamond 2 (or Imagio) is a consumer phone, and it still does all the same business things as the Touch Pro 2.

HTC just got some weird notion that consumers don't want a keyboard. Nothing more, nothing less. Hopefully the Motorola Droid and Motorola Click will kill them in sales and they'll get the hint. Of course, HTC would probably then just assume it was because they had Android and continue to ignore the keyboards...

I'm having trouble following this reply. I actually mentioned in an earlier post that I'd love to have a better camera with a flash. I think the keyboard was essential here because the COO, CEO, and VP of my company would not like typing on a virtual keyboard. My CEO would throw that in the garbage after one day.

I was saying that a lot of network policies say what a user can and cannot do with their technologies in the company. Instead of looking for a phone that doesn't have a camera, or having the manufacturer make custom units for your company, you need a phone that is compatible with your policies in a way that your Microsoft-certified IT department can easily modify. Enter Windows Mobile and Blackberry. IT specialist takes the company phones and just like they would make network modifications on their servers, they make the modifications to the phone to ban certain things, cameras, etc. to make it easier for business users or to fit with existing policies of the company (for example, if a company does not want you to go on the internet with your work phone, they can hide all options to do so and prevent users from accessing the registry and system files to change it back). If you've met executives before, you know how they like their technology easy and customized to them.

[tiredofbuttons]

It is larger than the TP1, but the shape makes it fit in my pocket much more comfortably. The lack of flash and lower quality camera is really my only complaint. I'd really like to have an active digitizer and capacitive touch screen so I could take notes more easily with it, but noone has that yet so I'll just have to wait.

Really great phone so far.

I don't hate anything about the phone, quite an amazing unit really. What does "annoy" me is the sms/mms message sent notification that no one seems to know how to disable. Seems to be the same whether with Sprint or Verizon. I'm with Sprint...