What's the probability of ROM improvement for the Titan?

[ImCoKeMaN]

Darn 503 errors, i had a really good reply all set up too. Ok here it goes.

If you have any further questions on anything below please search through XDA, google etc. I have no problem sharing what i know, but the research may also reveal some new info we can use. I've spent lots of time researching all of this and here is the general overview of my findings to date.

The SPL is basically the Bootloader. It needs to be patched to allow unsigned (custom) ROMs to be loaded to the device. Currently we have no way to write an SPL to the phone either though. There are soft SPL (SSPL) and Hard SPL versions for other devices which you can find on XDA for more info. One difference is the Titan doesn't have an IPL (lower level actually loads the SPL) like it's GSM counterparts. Generally the IPL is patched to allow the SPL to load from ram for a soft spl to work. In this case since we don't have an IPL i've been looking into a tool called HaRET which has been designed to load linux.

Researching this is definitely for the geeks. HaRET will require cpp knowledge. SPL patching can already be done by Olipro at xda, but that requires disassembly if anyone is into that. There is currently no need for testers, but those willing to brick a device are definitely appreciated. If you feel you can research a lot and share information via the board or the wiki that could be helpful even without the detailed coding knowledge. Another way to help for those that aren't into all this work is a donation of a mogul to someone (no, not me) who has been helpful to us in the past.

I'm glad to see people wanting to help, and i hope the nitty gritty details manage to capture someones interest.

jamesus, if you get the wiki going let me know. I might be able to put some details there, but i'm not so great at creating the organization for the wiki. (I still can't access it from work though)

[Glossman]

Originally Posted by ImCoKeMaN

Nothing against this topic, but this looks as good a place as any for me to voice my opinion about mogul kitchen development in general. It seems there are a lot of threads asking things like "when will we get a new kitchen?" but not nearly enough threads that say things like "I got one step closer to making a kitchen" I've been looking at the device at a fairly detailed low level for a while now and you may have seen my posts about the bootloader dumps from the wm5 version. No we aren't building ROMs yet, but it would be nice to see more people willing to learn what an SPL is and trying to help out. I know that looking at hex code isn't for everyone, but this forum was named PPCGeeks for a reason =)

Maybe i'm wrong though. I'm curious to know how many people are interested in spending time working on this. Maybe if there is enough interest we can convert the unified rom kitchen development section into a mogul rom kitchen development section. They don't call it the bleeding edge for nothing though.

You guys want to go it again? If you want, I'll organize the team again.

[BiGMatTFRomJeRSeY]

Originally Posted by Glossman

You guys want to go it again? If you want, I'll organize the team again.

that sounds like a good idea. i think if we got everyone together it would help.

[cohowap]

No offense, but I dont think a team would do anything other than chat about ideas. (Which can be done in the chat room, or on the forum).

There isnt a bug list, there isnt a task list, there isnt much to do other than crack the SPL.

Maybe once we get the bootloader cracked and allows us to flash brewed roms, then a team might be good to make a kitchen, but in all honesty, I dont think anyone is going to put priority on this until GPS and REV A come out. It's just not worth the time if we are going to get this in 2 months or so.

[pixelwix]

Originally Posted by cohowap

No offense, but I dont think a team would do anything other than chat about ideas. (Which can be done in the chat room, or on the forum).

There isnt a bug list, there isnt a task list, there isnt much to do other than crack the SPL.

Maybe once we get the bootloader cracked and allows us to flash brewed roms, then a team might be good to make a kitchen, but in all honesty, I dont think anyone is going to put priority on this until GPS and REV A come out. It's just not worth the time if we are going to get this in 2 months or so.

either way we need to get the bootloader or the spl cracked, so what diffrence does it make it if start now or wait 2 months down the line.

[jamesus]

Originally Posted by pixelwix

either way we need to get the bootloader or the spl cracked, so what diffrence does it make it if start now or wait 2 months down the line.

I think the more people we can throw at this the better. It will at least give some people the opportunity to learn about what needs to be done and maybe someone will find something that no one else has.

imcokeman - I'm going to start doing some research and I'll PM you once I start getting some info together so you can let me know the validity of what I find.

[wessfoxx]

well if it helps i have working knowledge of vb. i have seen references to
vb in some of these forums. It might help. let me know...

[xtreme571]

Originally Posted by ImCoKeMaN

...There is currently no need for testers, but those willing to brick a device are definitely appreciated.

what exactly are you looking for here...i wouldnt mind crackin open my mogul...just lemme kno what info you need...i can tinker with things but im not an expert on electronics

[andason]

Could ne1 enlighten me on what the output from pdocread -L of mogul is actually indicating?

220.50M FLASHDR
| 3.12M Part00
| 3.13M Part01
| 50.63M Part02
| 163.63M Part03
10.00M EXT_FLA
| 10.00M PART00
1.89G DSK1:
| 1.89G Part00
STRG handles: 438d0c1a
0 partitions, 0 binary partitions
customerid=00000000 uniqueid= 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
( 1.89G) 2368d2ae
0 partitions, 0 binary partitions
customerid=00000000 uniqueid= 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
( 10.00M) c3884cea
0 partitions, 0 binary partitions
customerid=00000000 uniqueid= 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
(163.63M) 038846ae
0 partitions, 0 binary partitions
customerid=00000000 uniqueid= 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
( 50.63M) 2388468a
0 partitions, 0 binary partitions
customerid=00000000 uniqueid= 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
( 3.13M) a3884666
0 partitions, 0 binary partitions
customerid=00000000 uniqueid= 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
( 3.12M)

I keep trying to read sectors but get an itreaddisk error. ne help?

[ImCoKeMaN]

From that info i can see you have a 2gb micro SD and you are running the original sprint 2.08 rom version.

I have used pdocread to dump roms, you have to use special syntax for the sector size and use the windows read method. You can take a look at the info i posted on the FTP here:
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...o%20(2.09).txt

The problem is that you still can't write data to the mogul with pdocwrite (obvious next step) with any of the syntax variations i have tried. Even if you could it would be quite dangerous as there is currently no way to repair bad NAND blocks on this device.

Oh and Xtreme, as for the bricking it was just to say the offer to test to that extreme was appreciated there really isn't a need for that now though, we still need lots more research.