New Sprint FAQ at BAW

[willysp]

Originally Posted by tannis

FOr crying out loud people.... Grow a brain! With the gazillions of BT accessories out there yes your going to have some compatability issues. No one device is compatable with every single BTT out there.

My Touch supports my nXZen 6000 BT headset with outstanding audio quality. And my Touch switches in/out of roaming without locking. If my Mogul did the same in each case, I'd be a very happy camper......

I don't (nor does anyone, nor does the known universe) have gazillions of BT accessories - having my Mogul work as well as my Touch would be perfectly cool with me!

[sptop]

Lets makes something really clear to the forum readers. You cannot upgrade the ram in your mogul. nor can anyone else.nor can sprint.

All of the newer thinner phones use SoC. SoC(System on a Chip) is the future of phones because it integrates everything on to one chip. The processor, memory, compact flash, and radio, are all integerated onto one System on a Chip. That is why you cant upgrade the ram or cf storage, because you would have to cut open the chip to get to it.

This is also why sprint cant add more memory and release another mogul. They would have to upgrade to the next version of the chip, that has more features and different hardware requirements (more power for instance) that would have to be retested and debugged ,etc.

[GoodThings2Life]

It does not, however, exclude the possibility that HTC and Sprint could (not will and not should) release a new Mogul hardware revision that has more memory built in to it, although the move is highly unlikely. Alas, we are probably stuck until the next generation of this phone is released.

Honestly, I don't see what the fuss is about about memory. Maybe it's my frugal use of HTC Task Manager (X-Button) 2.0, and maybe it's my cautious limits of how much I do at one time (like limiting how much mail I sync), but I almost never have out-of-memory issues. My phone sits about the 60-65% used mark when idle and 70-75% used when I'm "busy".

The best thing they could do is release the next firmware with task manager built-in.

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Now, as for the Bluetooth issues, as Malatesta commented on, the BT standard is pretty craptacular in the first place. Each revision isn't even compatible with other revisions (ie. 1.0 is not generally compatible with 1.1 or 2.0, etc), so it's not surprising that even implementations in the 2.0 family would be quirky. The best thing users can do is look for headsets that are natively 2.0 and test or research them before buying.

[Genjinaro]

SOC!?

Shit... So much for this then as this Magician has a BGA chip:


HTC Magician upgraded from 64MB-128MB RAM
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~HTC_Magician-280~area~upgrades~action~updateunit.htm



Yes this is by far the sweetest things you will ever see happen to a PPC, it can't be impossible even if it is SOC as PPC Techs do enact the reprogramming of it, although the Apache is infact listed as unsupported & thats the only CDMA device that has been officially marked as "unsupported". The Titan has the same pending messages as the some others on there.
The support is driven by user requests so those that do have it were in high demand so there could be more that are in the same boat as the Apache.

Hmm I'll await PPC Techs answer before I bank on possibilities.

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by sptop

This is also why sprint cant add more memory and release another mogul. They would have to upgrade to the next version of the chip, that has more features and different hardware requirements (more power for instance) that would have to be retested and debugged ,etc.

The SoC though is the MSM-7500. An "upgraded version" in terms of RAM would not have more features--it'd just be the same MSM-7500.

The HTC Touch (Sprint Vogue) is such a device--same internals as the Mogul, same SoC chipset, just more memory, but no extra features. The GSM Touch, 1st gen had the same situation--not enough RAM. They rolled out a newer version with more RAM recently, but same internals.

No doubt some "testing" would be required by Sprint, but honestly that is no different than a firmware upgrade.

It would be quite easy for Sprint to release a Mogul with Hardware Revision B, which would have more RAM in it--very reminiscent of the Treo 700w vs 700wx situation.

I don't know about adding memory to existing device--I know that would be "out" for Sprint or HTC as I've never heard of such an upgrade.

[GoodThings2Life]

Being possible and being feasible for average users are two entirely different things. Even as a tech veteran of 18 years, I wouldn't feel comfortable soldering a new chip into a device, and I would never encourage a typical user to do so.

[Touch999]

I competely disagree with everyone that says that the mugul has enough memory. I found out the wrong way.I am a graphic designer and I visit alot of 3d sites.one thing about those sites is that they are heavy memory hogs due to the fact that they show high resolution images.so everytime I headed to those sites my mogul browser would shut down. this happened only when i visited those sites. Anyways, it turned out to be the low ram that wasrashi the browser. I kept an eye on my memlry one day while i visited one site and noticed immidietly my eam was running out.when ut hit 98 % then (bam!) its shut down. Culprit found. I said "good bye mogul" I sWaped for a Touch.Now im happy.

[Genjinaro]

Originally Posted by GoodThings2Life

Being possible and being feasible for average users are two entirely different things. Even as a tech veteran of 18 years, I wouldn't feel comfortable soldering a new chip into a device, and I would never encourage a typical user to do so.

I doubt the average user could even afford the tools to do it right, among other difficulties:

*The cost of the right tools to use are in the thousands (i.e $5,000est)
*You could possibly blind yourself
*Destroy the PPC (very, very small movements is all it takes)
*Plus, due to the nature of the chip you would need to know how to reconfigure the software afterwards.

For all of that, buying a PPC with 128MB RAM would be cheaper & uhh safer.

[sykosoft]

Originally Posted by tannis

FOr crying out loud people.... Grow a brain! With the gazillions of BT accessories out there yes your going to have some compatability issues. No one device is compatable with every single BTT out there.

You are completely incorrect. Bluetooth is a completely defined standard with well defined "profiles". If a manufacturer's headset does not work, then it is completely on the shoulders of the manufacturer. The problem is either going to be that the manufacturer did not 100% comply with the profile specification OR there is a problem physically with the device in that perhaps it is unable to communicate reliably across the entire frequency spectrume bluetooth operates on, or some other aspect within the manufacturer's contol, NOT the handset manufacturer. This would be the equivalent to saying that particular wifi router (let's go with 802.11g) doesn't associate with every wifi card out there. It's going to be a problem for those that "add a feature" which stretches the specification, or doesn't comply to it exactly.

I can pretty much guarantee you that if the manufacturer complied 100% with the radio and profile specification, it would work properly.

Michael

[jlaudio]

I sell tons of BT headsets every day. Not all headsets work well with all phones. i.e. motorola headsets suck with Treo smart phone but work great on other phones. I have yet to fund a bt headset that works great on every lg, motorola, palm, htc, sanyo, samsung, and blackberry. There will always be a poor conection somewhere along the line.