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Old 01-27-2010, 04:43 PM
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Re: verizon iphone tomorow?

Screw the iphone the OS hasn't evolved for two years, it is stale. Verizon is using less data, sure, but if you took the iphone off at&t's list then verizon would be using more data, and yes notice in the article saying verizon "thinks" their network would be fine. Don't kid yourselves the iphone would smother verizon's current network especially in urban areas. Not to mention At&t will be on their way out without the iphone because their customer service is garbage, coverage is spotty, and they just are plain out not as cool as big red. And we need AT&T being on verizon to drive device prices down. My only device concerns are of the 4.3" screened devices nature running sense ui over android or wm. Better yet dual boot android 2.1/WM7.
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Old 01-27-2010, 05:55 PM
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Re: verizon iphone tomorow?

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#1 subsidies do not apply to Apple products whatsoever since they directly control hardware & distribution.

#2. Apple could sell iPhone unlocked at $299 and be highly, highly profitable. Verizon could sell it at $99 and be highly, highly profitable. There is just no need for Apple to change their model since AT&T is paying Apple perhaps $500 per iPhone activation.
I'm not sure why you view AT&T's payment to Apple as somehow different from a subsidy.

I'm also not sure why you would think that Apple would sell an iPhone for the same price as an iPod Touch.

FYI - You can buy a non-subsidized iPhone (though it is still locked to AT&T) for the following prices (copied from the T's & C's on Apple's web-site)...
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For those who are not eligible for an early upgrade or who wish to buy iPhone as a gift, the prices are $499 (8GB), $599 (16GB), or $699 (32GB).
So the subsidy (my term) or AT&T's payment to Apple (your term) looks to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $400.
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Old 01-27-2010, 06:04 PM
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Re: verizon iphone tomorow?

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Screw the iphone the OS hasn't evolved for two years, it is stale.
thats the straight up truth.

the ipod is the only good apple product to date.

they make the worst hardware ive ever seen. macbooks fallapart, overheat, and thier fans turn to crap instantly. mygfs got a macbook pro, ive got a vaio, i dropped mine down the stairs and its completely fine, she has never really moved it from her desk and its dying.

you cant do anything to an iphone. you cant even take the back off and put in an extended life battery. i mean you cant even cook up a rom for it.

the iphone is a fashion accescory. htc makes top notch phones that are incidentally, very fashionable.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:40 PM
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Re: verizon iphone tomorow?

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I'm not sure why you view AT&T's payment to Apple as somehow different from a subsidy.
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Apple is subsidizing NOTHING. In all realitiy ATT is basically buying the rights to exclusively resell iPhones in the USA (for $450-500 paid to apple per activated iPhone).

That is NOT a subsidy.

A subsidy as mentioned here is really akin to a customer bribe where a (lame) company (ATT) TAKES A LOSS to attain future services from a new customer. In this case by means of revenue based on locked contracts, ETFs, etc.

AT&T pays Apple ~ $450 when customer pays ATT $199 for iPhone making up for that loss later with forced services.

Apple can charge anything above ~$180 (if not less now) and MAKE PURE PROFIT (from software/services/itunes/etc.). However Apple saw a HUGE $$$$ opportunity for extra revenue.

Apple has leveraged AT&Ts desperate, pathetic services in the USA (after purchasing the clusterfudge that was cingular) into getting $400-500 cash for each $180 iPhone. Again Verizon was said to have offered no more than $300 when negotiating iPhone so Apple played ATT for an extra $150-200 (if not more) per customer buying an iPhone.

Even the full-cost ATT phone could cost ATT more (to apple) than it collects from customers.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:29 PM
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I hope that Verizon does not get the iPhone. we switched from AT&T to Verizon when the iPhone went sub-$100 because everyone bought one, and it killed the AT&T network. I am worried that it will have the same effect on the Verizon network.
It couldn't have the same effect, because the networks are different.

Verizon keeps voice and data on separate carriers. Therefore an overload of 3G data users would simply slow everyone down. On ATT, an overload of 3G users can (and does) cause dropped voice calls.

In addition, Verizon designed their cell topography for CDMA from the start. ATT started with the simpler TDMA based GSM, and has had to add WCDMA radios to get 3G, but their cell towers aren't situated for it.

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Re: verizon iphone tomorow?

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ATT will be losing iPhone exclusivity by Summer 2010 by all reports including ATT (they purchased exclusivity from launch thru summer 2009 then extended it a year by most reports).

Apple screwed up extending another year... opening a door for Droid and getting nothing but bad press for ATT/network issues. They undervalued themselves like the young playing signing a bad contract for easy money.

iPhone could (and probably will) lose exclusivity ASAP but remain off Verizon indefinitely. There are too many variables, one of the most importance is what Verizon agrees per phone to pay Apple. Droid (and WM7 this xmas) showed the world iPhone is a LOT overhyped and other phones sell too. iTunes/phone market competes with Verizon's marketplace, vcast, etc.

Apple can soon sell the current iPhone "unlocked" to work on any GSM networks in the USA. That would also fend off google... a necessary plan imho as iPhone has major competition with Android and WM7 (nevermind Blackberry).

There is one wild card... the iTablet due tomrrow. IF that requires (or supports) 3G then at ~$1k that device would be nuts to lock out Verizon users (home & corporate). $299 dell Mini's support GSM or CDMA add-in chips so you'd have to think apple planned the table for worldwide (quad band) 3G. A Verizon iTablet would obviously break open the door for cross-promotions with a new summer 2010 iPhone with CDMA support for Verizon (and thus Sprint).
are you talking about the iPad? you only wish they called it the iTablet. that name is a lot better.
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Re: verizon iphone tomorow?

That article was posted in December of last year. And there were several similiar articles mid-last year too.
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