So yeah now HTC admits the 30fps limit is software because of the HDMI port. - Page 5

**redd214** · #41 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 08:02 AM

no worries man. just confused me at first. thanks for the clarification

MrDSL · #42 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by redd214

no worries man. just confused me at first. thanks for the clarification

Here is a good write up with more info

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...27#post1855927

MadSquabbles · #43 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by radar369

The frame cap only affects things that use more than 30fps..........not many things on the evo that use more than 30fps!

the entire ui runs at higher than 30fps. ever notice how choppy the scrolling is? try the fps fix and see how smoothly everything runs.

2d games can run at higher than 30fps also and you'd get boost there.

**radar369** · #44 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 10:30 AM

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the entire ui runs at higher than 30fps. ever notice how choppy the scrolling is? try the fps fix and see how smoothly everything runs.

2d games can run at higher than 30fps also and you'd get boost there.

Uh.............no! Even when I first got the phone I didn't notice any lag....just random reboots! The only time my phone lags is when getting an incoming call, if my phone is trying to send random data to Google or wherever it sends it to randomly..........or if I have a lot of programs running in the background.......other than that I'm straight!

2D games (depending on how 2D they are) can run between 15fps to 23fps and be overly fine! If its some kind of side scrolling game like Final Fight than yeah you don't need that many fps...........but games like Marvel vs Capcom even run in the teens or low 20's from some benchmarks that I've seen.....and that was on a console system! I have SF4 on my PC and it runs at about 24fps with no hiccups at all!

But I will try that hack though.......thanks for mentioning that Squabbles!

MadSquabbles · #45 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by radar369

Uh.............no! Even when I first got the phone I didn't notice any lag....just random reboots!

i forget that some people don't notice it as easily as others do. some are fine with it as is, it's normally anal gamers (like me) that can't stand and can see the choppiness.

**xweaponx** · #46 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 06:08 PM

It seems the the majority of the discontent with the 30FPS cap yields from the gamer-inclined crowd. Understandable. I game too.

And why the comparison between Hero and EVO? HTC has acknowledged a correlation between the HDMI capability (of which the Hero does not have) and FPS cap on the EVO. Many act as if something was taken from them. I assume everyone who owns an EVO bought one under the impression that you knew what to expect, as stated, when you bought it. HTC nor Sprint never mentioned anything about a FPS sacrifice in order to deliver HDMI... and no one cared till someone want to play Call of Duty 4 on their EVO and wondered why it didn't look as good as a dedicated gaming console...

Maybe... just maybe we have spoiled ourselves with the resources/ability to over-tweak & push our devices beyond their stated expectations. We have done so for so long now that some no longer accept a handset release as-is without wondering why can it not do more and why our "innovations" were not implemented upon release.

You do remember that this is a phone, right? As long as there is a Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Telus, or Bell Mobility logo on it, it will always be a phone first. I am thankful just to have the ability to find, load & play simple games for keeping myself amused while the oil is changed in my car.

There is a reason I have a 360, PS3 and Wii...

**lipidfats** · #47 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xweaponx

It seems the the majority of the discontent with the 30FPS cap yields from the gamer-inclined crowd. Understandable. I game too.

And why the comparison between Hero and EVO? HTC has acknowledged a correlation between the HDMI capability (of which the Hero does not have) and FPS cap on the EVO. Many act as if something was taken from them. I assume everyone who owns an EVO bought one under the impression that you knew what to expect, as stated, when you bought it. HTC nor Sprint never mentioned anything about a FPS sacrifice in order to deliver HDMI... and no one cared till someone want to play Call of Duty 4 on their EVO and wondered why it didn't look as good as a dedicated gaming console...

Maybe... just maybe we have spoiled ourselves with the resources/ability to over-tweak & push our devices beyond their stated expectations. We have done so for so long now that some no longer accept a handset release as-is without wondering why can it not do more and why our "innovations" were not implemented upon release.

You do remember that this is a phone, right? As long as there is a Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Telus, or Bell Mobility logo on it, it will always be a phone first. I am thankful just to have the ability to find, load & play simple games for keeping myself amused while the oil is changed in my car.

There is a reason I have a 360, PS3 and Wii...

nah, it's not just about the choppiness... I don't game much, but i still want it uncapped. The FPS cap also adds lag on touch screen input. The recent OTA update helped fix that on certain screens (like scrolling through apps), but it's still there in many places. You can't play many games because of this lag input, just try any free air hockey game to see how bad it is. If you compared the EVO to a Droid Incredible, you'll see how bad it is on the EVO. It just can't keep up with your finger. That's just an example and is not limited to gaming.

It's not a deal breaker for me, but I would rather have it uncapped than have hdmi out. BTW, i think the hdmi excuse is just that... an excuse. When I contacted Sprint, they told me it was to keep the device from overheating and prevent excessive battery drain. I'm sorry, but I don't see that problem with my other Sense UI Android device, the droid incredible.

**redd214** · #48 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 06:50 PM

^^ perhaps it really is becuase of the hdmi since the incredible doesnt have it. thats really one of the few diffs between them, hdmi, ff cam, wimax radio, and size of course

**lipidfats** · #49 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 07:08 PM

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^^ perhaps it really is becuase of the hdmi since the incredible doesnt have it. thats really one of the few diffs between them, hdmi, ff cam, wimax radio, and size of course

Hmm, interesting thought, but I'm still going to say it's just an excuse... droid x has hdmi out and is dominating every other device in benchmarks. Don't you think HTC could easily come up with a way to reduce fps to 30 when hdmi is connected, then go back to higher rates when disconnected? Didn't XDA already hack it? Anyone know if HDMI out is still working properly after the hack?

Plus, remember the huge battery drain problems when the EVO first came out? I bet letting the frame rate max out didnt help... However, the OTA update helped with battery a lot, so if that was the original reason then I hope they can fix it officially now that people are getting better batt life...