Xpuscalar 3.03 - Page 2

PolloLoco · #11 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 03:42 PM

It doesn't matter what the speed your processor is set at is. That does not dictate battery loss due to Over/Under Clocking.

The problem is that the two scaling programs fight each other, playing tug of war in getting the processor to run at two different speeds. We know that XCPUScalar can win the war and hold your processor down to 200mhz. The problem is that in struggling to do so - the phone ends up burning A LOT MORE battery power than it would without the XCPUScalar running. Our 6700's are unfortunately unique in that respect.

Immier, the creater of XCPUScalar has himself posted on the 6700 programs and explained that due to the tug of war, you're better off NOT using the scaling feature of XCPUScalar to underclock. He's explained that the advantage of using the program is a burst of speed when you need it - and hibernation when you dont. So . . . following HIS instructions, I have my PPC at 624 mhz all the time. But when the screen dims, XCPUScalar shuts down - so I'm not burning ANY more battery than normal.

If you're using the scaling feature with the 6700's you're doing yourself a disservice battery wise. You're probably burning more battery power underclocking with a new scaling, than I am OVERclocking with no scaling.

Shaska · #12 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PolloLoco

It doesn't matter what the speed your processor is set at is. That does not dictate battery loss due to Over/Under Clocking.

The problem is that the two scaling programs fight each other, playing tug of war in getting the processor to run at two different speeds. We know that XCPUScalar can win the war and hold your processor down to 200mhz. The problem is that in struggling to do so - the phone ends up burning A LOT MORE battery power than it would without the XCPUScalar running. Our 6700's are unfortunately unique in that respect.

Immier, the creater of XCPUScalar has himself posted on the 6700 programs and explained that due to the tug of war, you're better off NOT using the scaling feature of XCPUScalar to underclock. He's explained that the advantage of using the program is a burst of speed when you need it - and hibernation when you dont. So . . . following HIS instructions, I have my PPC at 624 mhz all the time. But when the screen dims, XCPUScalar shuts down - so I'm not burning ANY more battery than normal.

If you're using the scaling feature with the 6700's you're doing yourself a disservice battery wise. You're probably burning more battery power underclocking with a new scaling, than I am OVERclocking with no scaling.

Have you even tried it on your 6700?... Let me make it as clear as I can... IT DOES IMPROVE MY BATTERY LIFE... That simple, No placebo effect... when I use autoscale I easily get 2 days out of one charge... With no autoscale, Only 1. I know of two other people who get the same results... So untill you put the program on your 6700 and do some testing, Quit listening to what other people tell you and find out the information for yourself... Seriously people, If I made a convincing enough arguement that the world is flat, would you believe me on that? or would you do what columbus did and find out for himself?

EmoRebellion · #13 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaska

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Originally Posted by PolloLoco

It doesn't matter what the speed your processor is set at is. That does not dictate battery loss due to Over/Under Clocking.

The problem is that the two scaling programs fight each other, playing tug of war in getting the processor to run at two different speeds. We know that XCPUScalar can win the war and hold your processor down to 200mhz. The problem is that in struggling to do so - the phone ends up burning A LOT MORE battery power than it would without the XCPUScalar running. Our 6700's are unfortunately unique in that respect.

Immier, the creater of XCPUScalar has himself posted on the 6700 programs and explained that due to the tug of war, you're better off NOT using the scaling feature of XCPUScalar to underclock. He's explained that the advantage of using the program is a burst of speed when you need it - and hibernation when you dont. So . . . following HIS instructions, I have my PPC at 624 mhz all the time. But when the screen dims, XCPUScalar shuts down - so I'm not burning ANY more battery than normal.

If you're using the scaling feature with the 6700's you're doing yourself a disservice battery wise. You're probably burning more battery power underclocking with a new scaling, than I am OVERclocking with no scaling.

Have you even tried it on your 6700?... Let me make it as clear as I can... IT DOES IMPROVE MY BATTERY LIFE... That simple, No placebo effect... when I use autoscale I easily get 2 days out of one charge... With no autoscale, Only 1. I know of two other people who get the same results... So untill you put the program on your 6700 and do some testing, Quit listening to what other people tell you and find out the information for yourself... Seriously people, If I made a convincing enough arguement that the world is flat, would you believe me on that? or would you do what columbus did and find out for himself?

Uh.. I noticed the same thing as he did. As I posted before, with autoscale on I lose about 30% battery life in 8 hours (overnight, with bluetooth, data, and WIFI off).

Maybe you should do a little research before you blast people for posting their findings.

Shaska · #14 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EmoRebellion

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Originally Posted by Shaska

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Originally Posted by PolloLoco

It doesn't matter what the speed your processor is set at is. That does not dictate battery loss due to Over/Under Clocking.

The problem is that the two scaling programs fight each other, playing tug of war in getting the processor to run at two different speeds. We know that XCPUScalar can win the war and hold your processor down to 200mhz. The problem is that in struggling to do so - the phone ends up burning A LOT MORE battery power than it would without the XCPUScalar running. Our 6700's are unfortunately unique in that respect.

Immier, the creater of XCPUScalar has himself posted on the 6700 programs and explained that due to the tug of war, you're better off NOT using the scaling feature of XCPUScalar to underclock. He's explained that the advantage of using the program is a burst of speed when you need it - and hibernation when you dont. So . . . following HIS instructions, I have my PPC at 624 mhz all the time. But when the screen dims, XCPUScalar shuts down - so I'm not burning ANY more battery than normal.

If you're using the scaling feature with the 6700's you're doing yourself a disservice battery wise. You're probably burning more battery power underclocking with a new scaling, than I am OVERclocking with no scaling.

Have you even tried it on your 6700?... Let me make it as clear as I can... IT DOES IMPROVE MY BATTERY LIFE... That simple, No placebo effect... when I use autoscale I easily get 2 days out of one charge... With no autoscale, Only 1. I know of two other people who get the same results... So untill you put the program on your 6700 and do some testing, Quit listening to what other people tell you and find out the information for yourself... Seriously people, If I made a convincing enough arguement that the world is flat, would you believe me on that? or would you do what columbus did and find out for himself?

Uh.. I noticed the same thing as he did. As I posted before, with autoscale on I lose about 30% battery life in 8 hours (overnight, with bluetooth, data, and WIFI off).

Maybe you should do a little research before you blast people for posting their findings.

He wasn't posting "his" findings, he was posting the findings of other people which was based on older versions of the program... Now, You posting your actual findings... Thats good...

EmoRebellion · #15 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaska

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Originally Posted by EmoRebellion

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Originally Posted by Shaska

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Originally Posted by PolloLoco

It doesn't matter what the speed your processor is set at is. That does not dictate battery loss due to Over/Under Clocking.

The problem is that the two scaling programs fight each other, playing tug of war in getting the processor to run at two different speeds. We know that XCPUScalar can win the war and hold your processor down to 200mhz. The problem is that in struggling to do so - the phone ends up burning A LOT MORE battery power than it would without the XCPUScalar running. Our 6700's are unfortunately unique in that respect.

Immier, the creater of XCPUScalar has himself posted on the 6700 programs and explained that due to the tug of war, you're better off NOT using the scaling feature of XCPUScalar to underclock. He's explained that the advantage of using the program is a burst of speed when you need it - and hibernation when you dont. So . . . following HIS instructions, I have my PPC at 624 mhz all the time. But when the screen dims, XCPUScalar shuts down - so I'm not burning ANY more battery than normal.

If you're using the scaling feature with the 6700's you're doing yourself a disservice battery wise. You're probably burning more battery power underclocking with a new scaling, than I am OVERclocking with no scaling.

Have you even tried it on your 6700?... Let me make it as clear as I can... IT DOES IMPROVE MY BATTERY LIFE... That simple, No placebo effect... when I use autoscale I easily get 2 days out of one charge... With no autoscale, Only 1. I know of two other people who get the same results... So untill you put the program on your 6700 and do some testing, Quit listening to what other people tell you and find out the information for yourself... Seriously people, If I made a convincing enough arguement that the world is flat, would you believe me on that? or would you do what columbus did and find out for himself?

Uh.. I noticed the same thing as he did. As I posted before, with autoscale on I lose about 30% battery life in 8 hours (overnight, with bluetooth, data, and WIFI off).

Maybe you should do a little research before you blast people for posting their findings.

He wasn't posting "his" findings, he was posting the findings of other people which was based on older versions of the program... Now, You posting your actual findings... Thats good...

I bolded the part that led me to believe he has tried this.. I assume that since he has the program installed, he has at least tried once to autoscale to save battery life.

saqer · #16 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 08:33 PM

I can second shaska's experience. I not only get better battery life I get *significantly* better battery life underclocking to 208 mhz. Most of my apps run fine on that speed and I do the autoscaling feature so anything above 60% CPU runs at 416, which ever rarely happens. Of course on dc power there's no autoscaling, it just remains at 416. This new version runs much better.

EmoRebellion · #17 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 08:40 PM

Just out of curiosity, when you do a hard reset, what buttons do you have to press? Do you have to press Y and then space?

I remember a post not too long ago where someone had figured out there were 2 different hardware versions, and that would explain the different experiences people are having with the ROMs and software like this.

I dont remember what he found out (if anything), and I cant find the post anymore, but Ill keep looking.

saqer · #18 (**permalink**) 07-27-2007, 08:50 PM

Interesting u mention that. I was just thinking about a possibility like this, because some people have reported an inability to overclock to 624, whereas on my device I can and have no problems whatsoever doing so. Yes, to hard reset I, I press Y then space.

PolloLoco · #19 (**permalink**) 07-28-2007, 06:36 AM

To end the bickering - there's a program out called ACB Power Meter. It'll tell you with no bs how much battery drain is going on with and without XCPUScalar running. Test it yourself and post the results. Measure before and after you've run XCPUScalar.

If you don't believe me that the creator has posted on this topic - then go to pdaphonehome.com, go the 6700 forum and read the long thread on XCPUScalar.

Edit: I noticed that Sager posted this question on immier's own forum (immiersoft.com). When Immier replies we'll have a concrete answer. I also realized that all my responses were to version 3 and below - I have not personally tried and metered 3.03. It's possible that 3.03 was able to disable our own scaling - but if so this is the first thread where it was reported I believe.

Again, please use abcpowermeter to confirm underclocking results. On PDAphonehome.com - members were claiming better battery life UNTIL they actually measured it using the power meter.

Shaska, for more civil conversations - I suggest you watch your assumptions in the future.

saqer · #20 (**permalink**) 07-28-2007, 08:37 AM

Interesting...

I tried that acbpowermeter and it reports that for every two minutes on 30% backlight and underclocked to 208 mhz I use 6 mAh whereas closing out the XCPUscalar completely I only use 3 mAH / 2 minutes.

Keeping XCPUscalar opened and on the default 412 mhz still uses 5 mAh.

It may appear that my perception of better battery life came from my lower backlight settings which I enabled at the same time I began underclocking.

But, then again that test was only for 2 minutes. Although slim, it might prove to show that over longer periods of time it will show the opposite is true, especially with backlight off or in standby mode. Which makes me ask when the phone is in standby is underclocking relevant?

Also, is there some way to disable the internal scaling mechanism or modify it?

btw it's saqer