WHY does anyone want WP7?

[dprout69]

If I take my car and strip it down to nothing except the wheels, the body and the frame then yes of course it runs smooth, looks nice and not much can go wrong... but Im doing all the pushing to get it to do anything... lol. Funny, but its a good analogy for WP7... looks nice, performs nice, but when you look at all we lost... IDK. You know what, Ill even suck it up and say its a nice start to a beautiful relationship and I look forward to years of stability (for once) and I also know they are not gonna reverse course at this point based on what any of us say, but I simply hope they beef this friggin thing up quickly and make it something that stands out. So far however... its still a dead last platform.

I dont see many positives for why anyone wants this and that may be because right now everyone is standing around saying "well its cool but what do we do with this thing" and as well not many ppl have their hands on the actual device so, Ill kick back and wait... got no choice anyway since NO CDMA... *insert brain exploding here*

[AZTECHKA]

Originally Posted by dprout69

If I take my car and strip it down to nothing except the wheels, the body and the frame then yes of course it runs smooth, looks nice and not much can go wrong... but Im doing all the pushing to get it to do anything... lol. Funny, but its a good analogy for WP7... looks nice, performs nice, but when you look at all we lost... IDK. You know what, Ill even suck it up and say its a nice start to a beautiful relationship and I look forward to years of stability (for once) and I also know they are not gonna reverse course at this point based on what any of us say, but I simply hope they beef this friggin thing up quickly and make it something that stands out. So far however... its still a dead last platform.

I dont see many positives for why anyone wants this and that may be because right now everyone is standing around saying "well its cool but what do we do with this thing" and as well not many ppl have their hands on the actual device so, Ill kick back and wait... got no choice anyway since NO CDMA... *insert brain exploding here*

Those are some good points... And a pretty good analogy. But being a dead last platform is only a side effect of just comming into the race... Microsoft is putting alot of effort and money into this. I assure you that it won't be dead last for long and it wont be long before it ends up on the heals of Android and iOS.
COMEONNNNN SPRINT!!!!

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[tsowen]

Windows Phone 7 is what it is, I think for the most part people will go with what they are comfortable with or what they know for the most part. I stayed with WM for the longest and finally made the switch over to Android and I love it. I will keep my Evo and probably get a Windows Phone 7 device to just compare and go from there.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by orangekid

The Vibrant is so much better than the Epic, the HD7 much nicer than the Pro7. The only one I think they got right was the Evo, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, I'm just glad I'm still on Tmo.

Why is the Vibrant better then the Epic again?

Originally Posted by braindoc

It's also clear that the software engineers realized that the old windows mobile software kernel was incapable of running a modern touchscreen phone with quickness and stability and they had no choice but to start over.

Um..its still the CE kernel..just 6 instead of 5...

As a business decision, this made sense too. The windows mobile market share was small and shrinking rapidly, so why not develop a new system that has much more in common with the #1 smartphone, the iphone. Consumers prefer the iphone because its simple and it works. Developers like writing applications for the iphone because its standardized and they only have to write for one device, not dozens of devices, each with different screen sizes, processing power, resolutions, etc...

The iphone was never #1..also there are multiple iphones..2,3,3gs,4 and each have different processing power and one has a different resolution.

[darren.wlsn1]

Originally Posted by tsowen

Windows Phone 7 is what it is, I think for the most part people will go with what they are comfortable with or what they know for the most part. I stayed with WM for the longest and finally made the switch over to Android and I love it. I will keep my Evo and probably get a Windows Phone 7 device to just compare and go from there.

guess i was opposite cause i sooo wanted to stay with wm/wp but before i got a epic and read over wp's stats and switched to android which for me was very uncomfortable as far as learning ect. but i will have a wp device but not looking good till 2012 but by then android will be even that much more ahead so maybe im kidding myself. lol

[AZTECHKA]

Originally Posted by darren.wlsn1

guess i was opposite cause i sooo wanted to stay with wm/wp but before i got a epic and read over wp's stats and switched to android which for me was very uncomfortable as far as learning ect. but i will have a wp device but not looking good till 2012 but by then android will be even that much more ahead so maybe im kidding myself. lol

Sounds like you neet to start an Android/epic clan or mob or possey or crew or soemthing like that.

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[darren.wlsn1]

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA

Sounds like you neet to start an Android/epic clan or mob or possey or crew or soemthing like that.

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well i still have hope though and when i started wp7 gang things were not where they are now with the amount of stuff m$ removed from wp and sprints offering wasnt a glorified tp2 but i still have 2012 hope.

[AZTECHKA]

I'm just messin with you bro... Microsoft doesn't pay my bills... So I haven't written off any other phone (Except for iPhone of course)
I know when I like somehthing I get it... I don't really care who makes it.
But in this case I really want to try WP7 for myself before I decide to or not to jump ship. And would not hesitate to return if a cool phone came by way of MS.
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[gTen]

Originally Posted by AZTECHKA

Sounds like you neet to start an Android/epic clan or mob or possey or crew or soemthing like that.

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You are looking at it all wrong AZTECHKA..but there is a fix, see first you need to get an Epic, then go to the Appdrawer and click the "Click me first I so promise I'm not an App that will hypnotize you"..after clicking that app everything will suddenly all make sense...it always does in the end....

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by dprout69

So as I continue to do research on this phenomenon, and Ive read the comparisons of this vs. that... one question I have that I have not seen asked is... Why does anyone want WP7? I've had my tweaked out apache ppc6700 running WM5 for 5 years now. It finally died and it was a sad day, however with the old must come the new... Android, Apple no thanks for many personal reasons, but lo and behold here comes WP7 and I find out that for all practical purposes... it seems they are just copying apple and android

No multitasking
No Outlook sync
No Hot swap SD card support
No cut and paste
No File System Access
No real customizations
No backwards compatibility
No Tethering
H*ll the first one Ive seen for sprint doesnt even have dual cameras
No No No No NO is all they are giving...

So I mean seriously... WHY does anyone want WP7? Is there something good about it that I am missing and IM not talking about the hardware because they could have included that in any phone... WTF am I missing? What's the good?

1. How come I'm checking twitter and listening to zune pass in the background right now?
I don't want multitasking for everything. I want smart multitasking with proper save state added.
2. I think you can outlook sync using exchange. Thinking about it myself.
3. Something wrong with all the usb drives floating around? 16gb plus 25gb of skydrive should be enough for most considering you don't need mb's of space of cab files to fix a broken OS.
4. Haven't missed it yet. When I click on an address it opens bing, when I click on a link it opens IE. Since I don't have to copy a link, to open it in a different browser, I haven't needed it.
5. Why do you need that again??? As long as zune handles the multimedia and skydrive handles all the documents, why do you need to tell it where to put things? My wife, god love her, can't find anything with file explorer anyways. I have to create shortcuts on the home screen to her movies, and music, and games.
6. As long as they add custom ringtones, this once again is not an issue for me. I don't need fancy homescreen layouts that will just bog the phone down (ala sense)
7. That's because they don't want broken winmo apps being added into wp7. They want all apps to follow the metro theme and the effects of this are amazing.
8. Really? Microsoft has always said that is a carrier decision and the carriers can add an app for that if they choose. Already been found on 2 of the phones. What you really mean is: No free tethering where I can cheat on my data plan???
Don't care about front facing cameras, I have webcams on all 4 of my laptops and don't want to facetime or qik.
For a 1.0 brand new OS release, I would say its further along than android 1.0 or ios 1.0

Originally Posted by gTen

Yeah but you can claim same thing about a dumphone OS..until we see the OS run something and truly multitask...also depends on which android phone you use..some are fairly smooth...



well Android has been out longer..once wp7 2.0 comes out im sure some apps wont work with 1.0...



If I look at TouchWiz UI on android its fairly straight forward for all the basic things...


So it varies...but overall its obvious M$ dont care about us anmore and is after the general consumer...

considering the minimum phone requirements and the rules microsoft has laid out, I don't think apps working across all devices will be a problem. Reason apps don't work across android is lack of minimum specs on the phones.
as far as android phones running smooth, you have to root and add a lagfix to make the vibrant smooth. That's about as top end an android phone as is out there right now.

Originally Posted by Dr.8820

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but didn't everyone complain about ms before? well, they listened and started from scratch. am I the only one that sees this lol, the iphone is popular because it's easy to use and works out the box....ms did the same. I talked bad about it until I used it...they're off to a good start.

I'm loving it so far...

Originally Posted by dprout69

I threw on some holy water and walked into AT&T yesterday just so I could take a look at this new OS... beautiful... yes, fluid... yes... any different than other phone on the market today including non smart phones... no. Just a different way of presenting the basic data. Absolutely nothing impressive because all it was... was a phone, mp3 player, pic viewer and text messager... it didnt feel like windows, didnt look like windows, didnt act like windows... and will some of the speed slow down after apps are installed yup... is it buggy straight outta the box... yup. I think the gTen was right... if you look at it for what it is... right now, ppl are buying it bc its Microsoft... not bc of anything it can do better than anyone else because it doesnt DO a single thing right now. Defintely has potential... but it took at least 5 years before to get ce to wm5 and at least another 3 to get to 6.5. I accept the fact that MS abandoned us. Them starting over... to me, just seems like same ol MS. I guess the subject of my post has been answered. Buy WP7 now and get basic phone tools with zero apps available and more of an inconvenience to accomplish simple tasks... or get a Touch Pro 2 and just use it til they actual have a functioning, integrated piece of software. Cant even pull up your contacts from your phone app... wow!

I have about 100 apps and games installed and the phone is just as fast as day 1.
How is the tp2 integrated? Facebook isn't integrated, pics aren't integrated. You have to have different music players for different things.

Originally Posted by Biggzz

I wasn't going to go with wp7 but i tried it and put my iphone aside. I have to say the integration of social media into the phone is fantastic and the OS is growing on me...Haven't touch any of my other phones in a few days. Best advice...try it before you bash it then pass judgement.

That's not the forum way. you are supposed to bash the phone based on never having used it because everyone else is.

Originally Posted by dprout69

Not bashing it by any means. I think its a great piece of innovation regardless of any thing else. The problem I have is how do you go from being able to do everything we could on windows mobile of the past... that being to "turn a simple phone into a high tech complicated piece of art that could do anything..." to just a phone, which does nothing different than any other phone, is highly restrictive and where MS is absolutely going out of its way to make it difficult... latest headline on PPCGEEKS "Microsoft Uses A Unique PVK To Prevent ROM Porting"

Add that to the list of NO's

They could have added cut and paste... they had the time and money... they just chose to put the time and money into blocking porting, blocking tethering, blocking file system access... etc etc etc

MS doesnt owe me or any of us a single thing... it's their company and they can design as they see fit... I just wanted to know why anyone even wants this software any more... wanted to know if anyone had a valid reason or vision. I guess that answer may only come once the hackers get into it and rip it apart, but for right now the answer is cuz it has potential, so Ill get my TP2 for now and wait a couple of years to see where it develops.

You think maybe they are restricting it to prevent piracy??? Maybe the same reason skyfire said there would never be a 2.0 release for winmo and symbian because there is no way to prevent the program from being pirated?

Originally Posted by orangekid

True, but with loading side apps using the Market Place won't really be fully necessary, kind of like installing CABS or APKs. And side loading is sure to be around for everyone very soon now that they almost have full root access.

I'll probably get a used HD7 in early 20100 for a decent price anyways.

I don't understand what you're implying that the HD2 can't do "4 touch points" it's just drivers built on a capacitive screen right? The HD7 doesn't have some new screen technology the HD2 doesn't have does it?



software developers aren't going to upgrade their stuff to WP7, they are leaving WM6.x FOR WP7 and iOS because you can actually make money on those apps, unlike the no money to be made on WM6.x

You can sideload all the crappy unverified apps you want on your phone. I want apps that can actually pass the microsoft marketplace tests. Official apps will not be able to be sideloaded due to the security in place and you can only sideload 5-10 apps anyways since all this "unlock" did is turn your phone into a developers phone.

Originally Posted by dprout69

and my point as well... WP7 is NOTHING right now. It's a nice looking interface and fluid - Great. It's copied apple and andriod... grrrrreat (boooo). But did anyone ask to have everything synced online... all docs stored online... I cant even sync to my local outlook are you serious? Cant add files to my phone that arent approved extensions... whaaaat? I dont want my stuff broadcast all over for the world to hack into (not naive to think they cant hack me, but certainly broadcasting it and storing it in one place as opposed to safe in my own home and disconnected from the internet is better??? - anti logic). It seems that MS spent more time trying to keep us out of there business (no, no, no, no, no) and more time trying to get into our business (everything is synced and linked publicly), then they did actually presenting a product that consumers are going to fall in love with and does what their core wanted and still brought in new consumers. A simple setting to make the interface either simplistic or advanced... thats all they had to do and they would have had the best of both worlds. They are not gonna lure anyone over from apple and android when they are just offering the same thing the apple and android users already have... they are not gonna lure in the core winmo users that have stood by them the last decade when all they offer are restrictions... so really who is their target market? I see it as a fail... who wants WP7? All I can say is hopefully they drop a bombshell when they release their first upgrade cuz if all the update consists of is that "you can copy and paste now..." color me still disappointed. I hope they fatten up the system by leaps and bounds

do you really think that your home computer connected to the internet is more secure than microsoft servers???

Originally Posted by gTen

You are looking at it all wrong AZTECHKA..but there is a fix, see first you need to get an Epic, then go to the Appdrawer and click the "Click me first I so promise I'm not an App that will hypnotize you"..after clicking that app everything will suddenly all make sense...it always does in the end....

First you have to get the epic, then you have to find the lag fix for it (does the epic even have the lag fix???), but first you have to root it.....