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[sammich] 02-06-2010 03:48 AM
Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
In case you have not read it, here is the most recent news posted by MightyMike on the front page. He got it from a reliable contact.
Quote:
With the Mobile World Congress event making its way around the corner, we can all be for certain that it is inevitable for Windows Phone 7 to make its long awaited debut. That being said, there have been rumours floating about on what Windows Phone 7 might actually be? For months, almost a year we have seen images being leaked all over the interwebs and although we can all admit we were quite excited, the chances of it looking so or even being real for that matter were highly unlikely. Wait no more! PPCGeeks has some truly amazing information on what the Windows Phone 7 platform will deliver to our beloved handheld devices. All information detailed within may not be entirely official, although it is definitely the closest information we have heard on actually being real. Without wasting anymore time, lets jump into the nitty gritty.
-At the Mobile World Congress event on February 15th, 2010, Windows Phone 7 will be unveilved, although at this time plans are only to unveil the user interface of the new platform . Specific indepth functionality of the device will most likely not be shown.

-The User Interface is based upon codename “METRO”. It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen. The UI is “Very Clean”, “Soulful” and “Alive”
-Unfortunately there will be no Flash support at the get go as there was not enough time to implement these features.
-Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.
- No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.
-Marketplace will now support “try before you buy” as well as an API
-No NETCF backwards compatibility. This means the original rumor of no backward compatibility for applications holds to be true. That being said, there are high hopes of porting the NetCF to the newer platform easily.
-Microsoft is confident that devices will be ready by September 2010
-Full Zune Integration
-Windows Mobile Device Center will no longer be used. Zune software to take over syncing via PC.
-OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc
-Full XBOX Gaming Integration (Gamer tag, achievements, friends, avatars, merchandising, etc)
-Full support for social networking
There is a plethora of details to go through, although listed above are the biggest impact points of Windows Phone 7. Throughout the day we will be emerging more information as we delve deep into the depths of what might possibly be Windows Phone 7.
This is a lot of information to consume in one shot and there could very well be the possibility of it being once again another rumor, although one thing stands true. This is the most detailed promising information we’ve seen to date in a while. We will continue to update you as we find out more information.
I'm all for new things. But honestly... WHAT!?

Not trying to rant, but... Microsoft, this seems ridiculous! This is not a Windows device. It does not deserve to be called "Windows Mobile" or "Windows Phone" (btw, what's up with that name?) Everything that made Windows Mobile unique is now gone.

It has become a bad iPhone/Android imitation. And that is the last thing any of us expected.

This is no "upgrade". This should be called "Zune Phone", because it sure as hell has no qualities that allow any phone running to be called a Pocket PC.

I guess I should have learned a while ago... With Microsoft, sometimes its 1 step forward, 2 steps back. (In this case, 6.5 steps forward, 7 steps back). But you never know...

This could prove to be interesting. I look forward to seeing how this plays out, and what the final product is. From the info we have, it seems like a failure to me... But I hope it is not. I hope it stays true to Windows Mobile, but improves on what was lacking.

Then again, it could be a huge success even without staying true to Windows Mobile. Change IS good, and at some point we have to let go of the past.

Laos101 02-06-2010 11:32 AM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Goodbye WinMo, hello Android

Noir 02-06-2010 01:07 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
its very possible this is specs for the media centric phones eg the pink phone project and not the stripped OEM versions that manufacturers have received (or will receive anyway)
so I guess we will really have to see whether or not mwc will happen

gcianc 02-06-2010 01:42 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
nothing new here except more speculation but assuming it's all true...

wm6 pauses apps in the background. yawn.

netCF would require netCF porting/support on WP7 (which is inevitible). yawn

no cf card support fine since devices said to require 8?GB storage

no TF3D or alternate homescreen would be FANTASTIC we need to purge that bloated shovelware from phones (android ones too).

microsoft should encourage and mandate METRO plugins to enhance wp7 home NOT replace it.

big picture is everything here is welcome and needed for WP7 to compete in the smartphone arena.

Malatesta 02-06-2010 06:45 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ⌥ saumaun ☢ (Post 1545483)
In case you have not read it, here is the most recent news posted by MightyMike on the front page. He got it from a reliable contact.
I'm all for new things. But honestly... WHAT!?
There was no real analysis done in that post and it is severely lacking some other information.

As I mentioned in another post, code referencing WM7 has been found in HTC's own builds of Sesne 2.5.

That right there is much more "proof" than what has been passed off today. Now, one could argue that the above Sense/WM7 info was wrong, erroneous, out of context, out-dated, etc. Fair enough.

But you can't just ignore this information, which basically refutes the post/tip. It certainly raises some flags, one would think.

Furthermore, it begs all sorts of questions like:
  • Do Enterprise customers care about Zune/XBox integration?
  • How does this relate to Project Pink/Zune phone?
  • Project Rouge?
  • How does this fit into the Business/Media edition rumors?
  • Why would a company like HTC just give up all brand identity after years of financial investment?
  • Are OEMs really going to be all relegated to just a generic phone maker with no brand ID? What is their incentive?
  • This goes against the iPhone model (no OEMs); goes against the Android model (many OEMs, customization). So where does this fit in?
  • How does this fit in with the bigger picture of what we know?
Simply ignoring all the above and acting like this is the only avenue for Seven is just bad reporting and spreading FUD. Context, history and relation to other information is pertinent for understanding the whole situation.

Certainly some of what has been posted is plausible. But it's also pretty evident that what this might be is Project Pink/Zune phone/WM7 Media Edition, not necessarily the stripped down 7.

When you see numerous rumors coming from various sites, contradicting each other, you have to ask (1) FUD or (2) Different OS/services/version? Frankly, MobileTechWorld, who received the same tip, presented more pertinent information and added much needed skepticism.

Fact is, very few know the big picture.

Tim Smith 02-06-2010 07:27 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
I have a crazy idea, a little unorthodox but hear me out. How about we WAIT UNTIL MICROSOFT ANNOUNCES SOMETHING OFFICIAL BEFORE FREAKING OUT AND JUMPING SHIP?! Holy hell people.

Laos101 02-06-2010 09:02 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malatesta (Post 1546666)
There was no real analysis done in that post and it is severely lacking some other information.

As I mentioned in another post, code referencing WM7 has been found in HTC's own builds of Sesne 2.5.

That right there is much more "proof" than what has been passed off today. Now, one could argue that the above Sense/WM7 info was wrong, erroneous, out of context, out-dated, etc. Fair enough.

But you can't just ignore this information, which basically refutes the post/tip. It certainly raises some flags, one would think.

Furthermore, it begs all sorts of questions like:
  • Do Enterprise customers care about Zune/XBox integration?
  • How does this relate to Project Pink/Zune phone?
  • Project Rouge?
  • How does this fit into the Business/Media edition rumors?
  • Why would a company like HTC just give up all brand identity after years of financial investment?
  • Are OEMs really going to be all relegated to just a generic phone maker with no brand ID? What is their incentive?
  • This goes against the iPhone model (no OEMs); goes against the Android model (many OEMs, customization). So where does this fit in?
  • How does this fit in with the bigger picture of what we know?
Simply ignoring all the above and acting like this is the only avenue for Seven is just bad reporting and spreading FUD. Context, history and relation to other information is pertinent for understanding the whole situation.

Certainly some of what has been posted is plausible. But it's also pretty evident that what this might be is Project Pink/Zune phone/WM7 Media Edition, not necessarily the stripped down 7.

When you see numerous rumors coming from various sites, contradicting each other, you have to ask (1) FUD or (2) Different OS/services/version? Frankly, MobileTechWorld, who received the same tip, presented more pertinent information and added much needed skepticism.

Fact is, very few know the big picture.
Cant argue against that, but these are all test builds.Theres nothing arguing against why MS wouldnt decide otherwise and remove these features for several reasons

but the HD2 was noted a WM7 device, kind of broadening the picture here

jpwhre 02-07-2010 10:13 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
not that my opionon matters, but it just brings a little thought of where android is going as well as apple and MS trying to do an all in one project.

if it is rumored that MS is on a downhill plunge into the abis of long forgetten comps that died, and they are trying to put up the muster for one last breath before drowning why would we not expect anything less?

from the read on wmexperts, this info in first post i would say that seven would almost be an ipod, psp, type device with full phone feature. with complete zune intration and xbox it would sound to me that it is an mp3 player/xbox pocket type device. i would also think something like that would requir dual 1gh+ processors and more like a 2g ram/rom to support, and would def require external storge capibility.

i was hoping to see something more in a desktop type ui but i doubt that would ever come. with htc presenting sense on the hero platform couple months ago on youtube you can tell they put serious work into the ui almost as though they were not planning for seven to ever launch, giving them a head start. i could see htc dropping their own os and loosing windows if ms can't put forth.

i don't want to see a zune/xbox device personally, and i don't like motorolla devices. i don't see hd2 coming to sprint which i would skip the 7 update if rumors come true. i might be leaning back to android if htc could put out something more then the hero with same basic specs as my tp.

sprint called me last week and i had a chance to chat. although i doubt it to be true, the rep told me there was a new diamond coming to sprint that could be updated to seven. time will tell.

just my 2 cents

x10guy 02-08-2010 01:25 AM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Before we get all depressed just remember a few things:

Technically Windows mobile phones are not supposed to be unlocked and reflashed with a custom ROM.
Technically Sprint TP2 devices are not supposed to have WMO 6.5 yet.
Tehcnically we are not suppose to be able to tether without a tether plan.

... and we all know how well these limitations held up. :)

So I'd take things with a grain of salt until the OS is actually released and the geniuses at XDA/PPCgeeks have some time with it.

jpwhre 02-08-2010 01:50 AM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
good point x10 and will consider that, but the rumors are getting me apperhensive (what ever, can't spell) and eager at the same time. all i do know is my tp gets worse every day, i am 800+ miles from home in the sticks of oklahoma for work and no sprint store for 50 miles. i need something else quicker then sprint and ms is getting something out. errrrrrrrg. thinking about what rep told me of new device coming soon with avail upgrade to wm7 and the rumor of supersonic (supposibly android) is making me wonder what it really is that's about to drop.

Deke218 02-08-2010 04:09 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Windows Mobile 7 to Get Two Versions, Report Says :headbang:

breakmyfootoff 02-08-2010 04:27 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by x10guy (Post 1549481)
Before we get all depressed just remember a few things:

Technically Windows mobile phones are not supposed to be unlocked and reflashed with a custom ROM.
Technically Sprint TP2 devices are not supposed to have WMO 6.5 yet.
Tehcnically we are not suppose to be able to tether without a tether plan.

... and we all know how well these limitations held up. :)

So I'd take things with a grain of salt until the OS is actually released and the geniuses at XDA/PPCgeeks have some time with it.
+1, whatever MS releases it will be hacked and modified.

Noir 02-08-2010 06:08 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
...
not so sure about that
http://www.chainfire.eu/#/articles/6..._Tweakers_net/

orangekid 02-08-2010 06:37 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1551062)

if in the "third batch" the companies will be able to change the UI, etc... that means the OS should be "hackable" from the outset, and it should not take too long to unlock and hack the phone, especially if the ROM updates will be flashable (if you buy a winmo7 phone in september you should be able to flash an update in a few months?) we'll just have to see I guess.

Noir 02-08-2010 08:39 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekid (Post 1551111)
if in the "third batch" the companies will be able to change the UI, etc... that means the OS should be "hackable" from the outset, and it should not take too long to unlock and hack the phone, especially if the ROM updates will be flashable (if you buy a winmo7 phone in september you should be able to flash an update in a few months?) we'll just have to see I guess.
this is what I'm thinking but the problem is no tools are available. Everything is written for CE 5.2. No programs for CE 6 and up and if there was we would already ripped up and created new hackable roms for the zune hd or heck even the meizu m8.

That said, I think it will take time

MikeElGiga23 02-08-2010 11:44 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
cmon. Doesn't anyone stop to think that maybe this wm7 that was described was the "media edition" they mentioned? Where they focus on eye candy, zune - xbox integration, multimedia, and speed? And that all the important features for serious users like multitasking and such will appear on the "business edition"?

my two cents and thoughts

Hawks2005 02-11-2010 03:58 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike20PR (Post 1551790)
cmon. Doesn't anyone stop to think that maybe this wm7 that was described was the "media edition" they mentioned? Where they focus on eye candy, zune - xbox integration, multimedia, and speed? And that all the important features for serious users like multitasking and such will appear on the "business edition"?

my two cents and thoughts
My thoughts exactly Mike, I think they are talking about "Project Pink" or the "Zune Phone". The standard or business edition WM7 will be nothing like what was explained in the previous post(I hope anyway).

nFiniti 02-11-2010 09:39 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Zune should die a horrible death. The xBox thing is very intriguing in my honest opinion because I'm a heavy xBox guy. But from what I heard, I have to agree with the first post.... all of that is turning the f'n phone into a iphone. And if I get any hint of iPhone when I use WP7 for the first time, I will completely turn my back on Windows Phones and I'll just pickup a regular phone. BlackBerry is just uber gay. iPhone is the worst pile of junk I have ever had to touch.... Android.... I'll prob go to a HTC Sense loaded Android. Seems that its the only thing keeping the "Pocket PC" memo.

Tim Smith 02-11-2010 10:21 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nFiniti (Post 1559607)
Zune should die a horrible death.
What? The zune is awesome. Especially the ZuneHD.

brownhornet 02-12-2010 02:28 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nFiniti (Post 1559607)
Zune should die a horrible death. The xBox thing is very intriguing in my honest opinion because I'm a heavy xBox guy. But from what I heard, I have to agree with the first post.... all of that is turning the f'n phone into a iphone. And if I get any hint of iPhone when I use WP7 for the first time, I will completely turn my back on Windows Phones and I'll just pickup a regular phone. BlackBerry is just uber gay. iPhone is the worst pile of junk I have ever had to touch.... Android.... I'll prob go to a HTC Sense loaded Android. Seems that its the only thing keeping the "Pocket PC" memo.
The iphone is a piece of junk, blackberry is gay... but winmo is great? Now thats funny.

orangekid 02-12-2010 02:44 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1561084)
T blackberry is gay.
I think it's just metro

brownhornet 02-12-2010 03:07 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Well apparently..considering they're second in the world in marketshare i'd have to say that there are quite a few people that disagree with that one.

wraith79 02-12-2010 05:14 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
I've been using WinMo since PPC-6700, and to be honest, I'm fed up with. I have had to swap each phone no less than 5 times each phone, currently I'm on my third swap of the TP2. Enough is enough, say what you guys want, but, I'm jumping ship, I'm going for either a blackberry storm2 or the new iPhone that is coming out this summer. I'll more than likely get the iPhone! So, Microsoft, you live, you learn. You can play the waiting game, WE, cannot.

boeman 02-13-2010 02:55 AM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
You can't really blame that on microsoft... the hardware is made by other companies to their own specs... MS just supplies the OS. Maybe try a different manufacturer than HTC??

Noir 02-13-2010 11:51 AM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
well I mean it depends I am typically satisfied with htc because I am less restricted but that's just me. Above that
2 days away from MWC and windows phone 7 at 8am CST! I can't wait

brownhornet 02-15-2010 12:28 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
So... after seeing this press conference is anyone actually impressed? I have to say honestly im not in the least bit.. makes me hope the supersonic definitely comes to Sprint now that'll be my next phone.

mejdam 02-15-2010 12:41 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1566653)
So... after seeing this press conference is anyone actually impressed? I have to say honestly im not in the least bit.. makes me hope the supersonic definitely comes to Sprint now that'll be my next phone.
Im impressed, but its one thing to name all these awesome features and integration and its another to deliver in unclucky way

Noir 02-15-2010 12:51 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
not impressed either sadly

gcianc 02-15-2010 01:02 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
very, very impressed. will be a no-brainer in stores (most important) and with users total integration.

hackers/geeks can & will move to android and it's win95-like quagmire.

like the Orange guy said... 25% connected to internet... WP7 gives a huge opportunity to get the untapped 75%. lets be real Android is looking primitive and Palm is basically dead. Plus blackberry will suffer badly with casuals/moms (a large smartphone user base in 2010_

nanoware 02-15-2010 01:18 PM
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great work microsoft!!!! it looks great! im just hoping for pandora and twitter support ... now wheres the legacy business edition?

jbearamus 02-15-2010 01:29 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1566739)
very, very impressed. will be a no-brainer in stores (most important) and with users total integration.

hackers/geeks can & will move to android and it's win95-like quagmire.

like the Orange guy said... 25% connected to internet... WP7 gives a huge opportunity to get the untapped 75%. lets be real Android is looking primitive and Palm is basically dead. Plus blackberry will suffer badly with casuals/moms (a large smartphone user base in 2010_
I agree, I really like it, probably going to win me back from Android, but I'll need hands on time first, hoping for some sort of multitasking and I hope there's an emulator of some sort available for our old .cab collection, but its definitely what Microsoft has needed for a long time. I don't know about Palm being dead, WebOS was a great comeback but I can definitely see Blackberry and any stock Android device have problems, Android with an overlay such as Sense or Blur or Sony's new sexiness would be fine but stock is in trouble

Nano, Engadget confirmed this is integrated Pandora support but they don't know to what extent. And yes, this legacy edition is intriguing, wonder why they didn't say anything about it...

Tim Smith 02-15-2010 01:35 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jbearamus (Post 1566790)
And yes, this legacy edition is intriguing, wonder why they didn't say anything about it...
They'll probably address it at MIX. My understanding is this was just to show the new major features at a glance. Basically a teaser.

jbearamus 02-15-2010 01:37 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1566806)
They'll probably address it at MIX. My understanding is this was just to show the new major features at a glance. Basically a teaser.
makes sense, i was also figuring MWC is more of a consumer show anyway, most people there probably wouldn't be interested so hopefully more info drops next month but if legacy has at least some of these new features integrated

Biggzz 02-15-2010 01:50 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1566739)
very, very impressed. will be a no-brainer in stores (most important) and with users total integration.

hackers/geeks can & will move to android and it's win95-like quagmire.

like the Orange guy said... 25% connected to internet... WP7 gives a huge opportunity to get the untapped 75%. lets be real Android is looking primitive and Palm is basically dead. Plus blackberry will suffer badly with casuals/moms (a large smartphone user base in 2010_
Not giving up my $15 month data package for all the "features" W7 is supposed to bring....I was hopeful but not impressed.

brownhornet 02-15-2010 01:56 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1566739)
very, very impressed. will be a no-brainer in stores (most important) and with users total integration.

hackers/geeks can & will move to android and it's win95-like quagmire.

like the Orange guy said... 25% connected to internet... WP7 gives a huge opportunity to get the untapped 75%. lets be real Android is looking primitive and Palm is basically dead. Plus blackberry will suffer badly with casuals/moms (a large smartphone user base in 2010_

I take it you're easily impressed... there's nothing even remotely impressive about it IMO. Looks like an iphone knocking using the zune. Then again I wasnt really expecting to be blown away anyways considering its microsoft.

jbearamus 02-15-2010 01:58 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1566861)
I take it you're easily impressed... there's nothing even remotely impressive about it IMO. Looks like an iphone knocking using the zune
although everything looks tied together and integrated much like sense for android and the newest touchflo/sense hybrid for winmo

brownhornet 02-15-2010 02:00 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Blah... oh well I hope the supersonic comes to sprint and if so I hope it has sense.

jbearamus 02-15-2010 02:06 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1566868)
Blah... oh well I hope the supersonic comes to sprint and if so I hope it has sense.
i would assume it would

amw1972 02-15-2010 02:22 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
I'll bump all the IMPRESSED posts...but here's my take...

As much as its nice to see M$ taking a giant LEAP with WinPho7...they basically closed the book on 6.5 and 6.5.x. All the custom ROM's that we love to run...the custom interfaces...most of those if NOT all will be moot within the next couple of years.

Look at the iPhone...even when jailbroken...and/or with 3rd party skinning...it still LOOKS like the iPhone. I think we just lost an "OPEN" system where there is so much user modification...that as much as we complain about WinMo sucked...we thoroughly enjoy the flashing of ROM's...the bleeding edge software (beta's and alpha's) the newest builds...

I hope PPCGeeks live on after this...and an expanded Android section...because I think Supersonic will be my next device....bye bye Windows Mobile or whatever you call youself!!!=D>

smoove21 02-15-2010 02:35 PM
Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1566739)
very, very impressed. will be a no-brainer in stores (most important) and with users total integration.

hackers/geeks can & will move to android and it's win95-like quagmire.

like the Orange guy said... 25% connected to internet... WP7 gives a huge opportunity to get the untapped 75%. lets be real Android is looking primitive and Palm is basically dead. Plus blackberry will suffer badly with casuals/moms (a large smartphone user base in 2010_
NO....the only thing that separates this os from any other os is its xbox live intergration.. Everyone wont go to android if anything android has to be worried about windows phone. Android isnt anything special, has nothing unique to offer its just free and no phone manufacturer has to pay google to license it. Im sad that windows mobile as we know it is gone, but this new os was obviously developed to combat apple and it does one up them in the sense that they do have xbox live and their office suite for mobile. There's no way in the world that this will make blackberry suffer.

This "legacy" edition of windows phone everyone speaks of, are there any links i can go to so i can read up on it? Today reading this thread is my first time hearing about it.. i know about the starter edition of windows phone series http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mwc-w...ement-tomorrow but not legacy.. If this is true then microsoft is making a bigger mess in my opinion. With legacy,starter, 6.5.3 and the one announced today.. It's too many different versions to support with fast ota updates. Dont tell me we are headed down a slow update process like with old versions again.


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