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"gcianc


sorry WP7 is a GAME CHANGER more than i myself actually ever expected. "


+1 In the broad scheme of things, it is a game changer. Broad strokes rub some the wrong way, but they are clearly going for mass appeal

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we're ALL speculating. But i'm not getting google ad-sense & advertising dollars and posting article after article stringing viewers along. I'm also connecting obvious dots 1-2-3.

code from Sense in 2009 is WORTHLESS unless you see it ripped from a wp7 device this fall. seems like WISHFUL thinking or just wm6.5x code.

Also don't shoot the messenger... HTC's huge google push is an obvious reaction to what MS no doubt told them over and over under NDA (to paraphrase you're not F'n up wp7s with your stuff) ;)

Finally, it's NOT speculation to see HTC has painted themselves into a corner with Sense and Motorola's revival hurts them further as a hardware vendor pretending to be software vendor.

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+1 We all have TP2's in my office and I am the ONLY one using a flashed rom (shot out to Malatesta)

WP7 is a broad stroke for the everyday user. Simple as that.

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1. how is code from 2009 worthless? If anything it shows a continued partnership microsoft has with one of its strongest investors - HTC which has overwhelming support not just nationally but internationally as well.

2. The only reason why there is such a huge push from google to HTC is because of microsoft being tight lipped about what will happen with OEM manufacturing. If anything, if you connect the dots (new htc patent + wp7) you can argue pretty well that HTC is waiting to implement wp7 with their own sense. As HTC has stated on their website.

Eric Lin has constantly stated the relationship microsoft and htc has. Microsoft has worked with OEMs extensively to create the best product. I think that HTC is biding its time for a little bit and showing new devices for the fall and winter. So while there is a big android push, that won't be the case come fall for the top of the line devices

3. If anything, the patent that I linked to means they haven't painted themselves in a corner and are evolving sense just as htc always evolved their platforms

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Thats a good point but currently I am not on the everything plan, tho I suspect I will have to be when this is released.

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THE CODE DOES NOT WORK.

do you code? well remarked code can have ANYthing and everything.

I go with what came out of the MOUTH Steve Ballmer and co. (repeatedly) over some over-ambitions coder putting worthless code in a product 1 year before a device ships.


ROTFLMAO. Yeah the ONLY reason is a shoolgirl-like reaction... not taking advantage of MAKING HARDWARE REVENUE for a new platform RIPE for the taking.

come on.


yeah, because EVERY PATENT is a guaranteed gold-mine and game changing experience for large companies who knee-jerk react like a child.



HTC NEEDs A CONSTANT STREAM NEW HARDWARE EACH HOLIDAY SEASON AND 9 MONTHS IN BETWEEN... WORLDWIDE!

FWIW HTC is not a "name brand" in the real world.


Sorry your wishful thinking does not change the obvious. HTC - in software terms - has reached a dead end like many software vendors Pre-Windows95. Anyone remember (or use) the (nice) GEM interface by DRI? Prolly not.

HTC now must differentiate itself as a HARDWARE vendor first and foremost.

The non-Apple/Bberry smartphone audience will BENEFIT when the first retail device does not need it's software to help sell said device. This is coming xmas 2010

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Very good comparison. Of course we'll have to wait and see.

I wonder if HTC could have their UI run as an app on startup.

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Agreed, HTC will customize within the framework. Which will likely mean they won't control the entire interface like they do now, but why would MS but all this money in 7 new UI, then let a hardware vendor bypass it. It would be irresponsible of MS to let HTC replace their new UI with the old Sense. The old Sense UI like SPB will have to evolve or die.

Either we we benefit from tighter OS integration and less need for 3rd party apps out of the box. That is why it'll appeal to many more people and piss off developers trying to sell apps that fixed problems in WinMo that will no longer exist on the new platform. As a consumer and tech it doesn't bother me.

At first I was irked by a lot of the changes like others but then I realized like everyone else was saying before this announcement, if they don't make big changes in 7, WinMo is dead. Now they made the changes necessary to win market share of all users and some of us tech geeks start to cry. Already forgetting about the needed big changes they were wishing for.

We can't have our cake and eat it to. Either they build a consumer focused OS and we customize it as much as possible so it continues or it dies as yesterday's technology.

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Amen. sticky that :)

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I was just thinking about that. I can't imagine Sprint (or any carrier) selling this without mandated data plans like current WM devices. No biggie provided I can keep SERO

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At first glance, I wasn't too excited with what I saw, but the more I hear and see, the more I'm starting to like it. Also, I'm thinking that the version we are seeing right now is the WP7 "lite" or "media" phone. I hope the more business oriented one will give us the opp. to customize a little.

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that's along the same lines of what i was thinking, because this definitely smells like a (clueless) consumer device, hopefully Legacy or Professional or whatever they call it edition will be more akin to what we like to play with

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Looks like no backwards compatibility has been pretty much confirmed. :|
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02...compatability/

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I'm gonna venture a guess and say - NOPE! You and me both are gonna have to give up the much loved (and much hated by outsiders) SERO plans :(

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more than likely, seems to be the trend with phones that eat that much data, such as Hero, Moment, Pre, and Pixi and it looks like 7 Series will probably take more data than all of them

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I really don't think it has anything to do with how much data is used, even if that's what they say. I believe this is just an excuse Sprint uses to get people off SERO. I think it's more that all of those phones are (or were expected to be) hot new phones. Windows Mobile wasn't considered a hot new thing. WP7 probably will be.

Sprint has every right to push people off SERO. I've enjoyed it immensely but always knew it wouldn't last forever. They discontinued the plan, and any time they do that you're faced with a decision to leave things alone or give up what you have for the latest and greatest. You can't have it all. I remember when Vision (3G) came out, I was grandfathered on a very good old 2G plan. I stuck with it for awhile, but eventually had to just accept that if I wanted the latest and greatest, I'd have to move up to a current, more expensive plan. When my contract is up in November, I will have saved at least $1400 over the next best plan option available. I really can't complain, and neither should anyone else!

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i'm not complaining as i don't even have a sero account and never have, i've always had a consumer line and paid for my data nor was i trying to complain about the required data plans, i was just simply trying to point out the trend they are using when requiring these plans while implying it is just an excuse sprint is using, its almost as bad as att's and verizon's excuses

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I meant you in the broader sense of anyone reading/complaining, not you specifically. :) I probably could have been clearer on that.

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its alright, i just didn't want to be thrown in with the crowd that's always b^#*!ing about sero, because like you said, no one on that plan has the right to expect it would last forever

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so true

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Just watched the video, already bored~!

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I don't consider myself a "techie" - but a little more knowledgeable than the average cell user. I know what I want from a phone, and WM7S is NOT it.

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simply because I know very little about backwards compatability, is it really that hard to attempt at making it compatable or do you have to be a genius at binary for it to work?

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meizu runs on a similar core that wp7 runs on. And you better believe many apps for ce 5.2 have been ported (keyboards, games, programs)
I don't think the lack of backward compatibility will impede me. What does is the biggest gain windows phone has over apple and its ability to do anything conceivable if you have knowledge. To what extent can phones be modified or even tweaked to improve performance? Well I think it looks like we have to wait for xda developers for an answer to that

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Everyone wait....MIX 2010 all the details will come (about 3 weeks). So far for me, it's a love/hate thing. One part, I kind of like how apps will be part of the OS just not 3rd party apps but, on the other side, the 1500 current WM apps wont' run ? WTF...

Time will tell... I have so much invested in games and apps, I know some won't work but, I would expect any program that runs on it's own would be able to work...

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what do you mean a program that runs on its own? a program may be able to run independent of anything else but if the underlying framework in the operating system has been completely rewritten they won't necessarily work, unless MS builds in some sort of backwards compatibility and I thought it leaked somewhere a while ago that MS said "clean break in every possible way"

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awesome huh, its nice to see something but i'm still waiting for something from HTC

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7 series...booo, boo. come on Microsft, go back to being an innovator and stop following/ doing everything apple does!

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huh what did they copy:scratch:

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The ability to Copy & Paste, an iphone innovation lol

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lol thats funny