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Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion

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Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1567264)

Yeah, because wm6.x multitasks so great (ROTFLMAO it pauses apps for the most part and you have NO IDEA what WP7 actually does at the developer level)

Yeah, because Samsung and other dvd makers are great at smartphone UI. And motorola too. won't comment on HTC the pig of pigs.

See iPhone sales at ATT due to "customization" (ie. good actual phone software design)

ROTFLMAO

i'll stop there this is comical

okay man, we get it, you think it's great. good for you, do you want a cookie? i have to ask, what the hell is soo great about it?

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Originally Posted by Existentialism (Post 1567248)

The issue is not that the design is terrible The issue is that we're locked into it. I could care less if it was a huge turd smear as long I could just through Touchflo or SPB Mobile Shell. But that's not longer an option, and that's what pisses me off the most.

Personally I think the design is fine. It just isn't for me.

It also frustrates me that things like Facebook are integral to the OS design. What happens in 3 or 4 years when facebook goes the way of MySpace and people are using something else? Or what about for people like me, who NEVER user or want ANYTHING to do with Facebook. Now I have all of this worthless clutter in my phone OS.

SPB is one of the ugliest UI's I've seen even at it's best. Looks old to me in every theme I've seen. Doesn't run very well when I've used it either. Touch Flo/Sense is nice but HTC isn't consistent with it. They have 3 versions out there right now (Hero, 2.1 and 2.5) and I'm sure more down the line. I love all three of them but I love what I've seen of 7 so far just as much if not more. So I'm fine giving those up and I think in the long run most people will as well.

You can't please everyone. Even if this was the best OS ever made by miles there would still be people who didn't like it.

You don't have to use facebook. Don't log into it, not a problem. Also when/if it dies off Microsoft will just add in whatever the new shit is. Twitter is popular now and it'll be built in according to that 22 minute video. So will flickr. I have no doubt Microsoft will cover their bases here. I think you're making it a bigger deal than it really is.

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567259)

android will dominate the market very soon.

hahahahahaha!

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comedy hour is among us here.

ROTFMLAO check back when iPhone leaves ATT in the USA... the rest is not worth responding since you're a hater with a closed mind to things.

no big deal either way.

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Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1567255)

If you think ANYTHING winmo will outsell iphone then you sir, are an idiot. If and when the iphone goes to verizon their sales will most likely double.. and they already lead winmo in marketshare as it is. Winmo will NEVER outsell blackberry.. now you're just being outlandish. And again, i'm willing to put my money up that says within the next year Android will surpass winmo and possibly iphone in marketshare.

If you like it then you like it, fine.. but I see nothing here even remotely impressive. I think some of you are just afraid of change but I watched the whole presentation and all I was left with was scratching my chin wondering when the big boom was coming.:angry7::angry7::angry7:

Game changer? WHERE?????????? They integrated the phone with zune and threw in xbox live and thats game changing? :scratch: Sorry but I have to stand by my point.. there's nothing in that video thats going to convince anyone to switch from BB, Iphone or Android back to winmo since a lot of the things they showed other systems ALREADY do.

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I think one thing people here dont realize is that the majority of people that buy phones ARENT ppc geeks. They want a phone that will work out of the box, looks good and the iphone has set the standard with the app market. This is why Android is working so hard at improving their app store. People that actually flash & customize phones is VERY small in comparison to the number of people that own smartphones.. and with this new wm7 thing looks like itll be even smaller lol

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plus the fact that 99.9% of our current devices can't run this thing makes it a fail to me.

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Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1567277)

comedy hour is among us here.

ROTFMLAO check back when iPhone leaves ATT in the USA... the rest is not worth responding since you're a hater with a closed mind to things.

no big deal either way.

This is the dumbest shit i've heard... a lot of people have strayed away from getting the iphone JUST BECAUSE its ON AT&T.. you really think sales will go DOWN when it opens to other carriers? Seriously.. did some of you people take economics in high school? And i'm a "hater" that's owned winmo devices for the past 5 years... yea... right.

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Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1567275)

hahahahahaha!

haha what? there's a shit ton of new android users out there. i just talked to a sprint rep and android is the hottest item on the market now. im stating the facts, im not here to get into a mobile os war with you. if android wasn't soo popular than why are most devs working to get it on all the current winmo phones? think about that.

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Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1567282)

+1 at&t is the worst carrier out there. almost every customer i talk to hates it.

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567292)

+1 at&t is the worst carrier out there. almost every customer i talk to hates it.

lol this is why I dont even respond to threads like this.. so many people lack general common sense.

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Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1567278)

You just gave a reason why people will buy Windows Phone 7.

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567280)

plus the fact that 99.9% of our current devices can't run this thing makes it a fail to me.

A lot of our devices probably can but Microsoft wants to make sure it only runs on devices that can run it to it's fullest ability. If they allowed it to run on our phones people like you would be shitting on it for not running as smoothly as the higher end phones. Another no win situation for Microsoft.

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567287)

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. And carrier reps never lie or over exaggerate. I only know a couple people with Android devices and no others are considering it that I'm aware of. And people are working to get it on our devices because it's new and a new toy to play with. Just like other UI's. Android is to the mobile market what Linux is to the desktop market.

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Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1567295)

lol this is why I dont even respond to threads like this.. so many people lack general common sense.

And you've been so level headed and full of sense in these threads.

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Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1567274)

This just proves my point exactly. You hate how SPB looks, others do to. Others hate how Sense/Touchflo looks, other hate how Winmo7 looks, others hate PointUI. But guess what. If we all had OPTIONS, we could pick the one we liked, and everyone would be happy. The problem is they've removed our ability to choose what we like.

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Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1567274)

You don't have to use facebook. Don't log into it, not a problem. Also when/if it dies off Microsoft will just add in whatever the new shit is. Twitter is popular now and it'll be built in according to that 22 minute video. So will flickr. I have no doubt Microsoft will cover their bases here. I think you're making it a bigger deal than it really is

The problem is, this social networking BS is an integral part of the OS and GUI design adding layers of unnecessary clutter that I don't want or need, regardless of whether or not I "sign in". Again, it's them forcing choices down my throat instead of allowing me to make them.

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Originally Posted by Tim Smith (Post 1567314)

Android is to the mobile market what Linux is to the desktop market.

lmfao...if you think that you really need to take your head out of the clouds. im done arguing with a "die hard" winmo fanboy.

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I think that WP7 looks nice and that it will be more successful than any of the other editions of winmo. But I don't think we can look at it as an upgrade over 6.5. It's just a completely different platform.

Personally, I don't think I'll get one. I love the look of the UI, but like most people here (I think), I enjoy messing with my phone. It doesn't look like I'd be able to do that on a WP7 device.

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567273)

okay man, we get it, you think it's great. good for you, do you want a cookie? i have to ask, what the hell is soo great about it?

LOL. As if you care or want to be informed.

You're on a 324x480 (ugh!) Sprint (snicker) Hero (lol).

i mean there is no measuring taste nor will i call you a TROLL because i have not read any of your posts/drivel prior to now.

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Originally Posted by gimme5 (Post 1567332)

PRECISELY.

I'm getting sick of MS dumbing down their products to appeal to the MACtards.

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Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1567337)

yeah and verizon is such a great "lmao" carrier that loves to cripple their phones, sorta like mico$oft does with wm7. :evil4:

for your info i used to own several winmo phones before i woke up and went to a better device. maybe you should open your mind a bit too.

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quote where i said the iphone sales will go DOWN when it opens up to other carriers?

if you read and comprehended BEFORE replying that would benefit the forum ;)

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Originally Posted by brownhornet (Post 1567282)

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567351)

yeah and verizon is such a great "lmao" carrier that loves to cripple their phones, sorta like mico$oft does with wm7. :evil4:

What phones have they crippled? Tell me how the Touch Pro 2 is crippled compared to the one on say Sprint?

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567177)

if i read your post right? your wrong, the android fan base is growing by the day and after the announcement of iphone users being blocked from the market if jailbroken yeah android will hold it's own just fine. im glad you like the winmo 7 interface i myself don't like what i see and ill stick to android. what microsoft needs is htc to step in and help them design a interface.

may wanna take a look at the net. WP7 floored a lot of people making them switch or regret their phone choices.

Personal quip I think the android os feels incomplete in comparison to even winmo 6.1. There is just not a lot that I feel would be easy to make a transition. That's my personal opinion not knocking android but as far as marketing goes and the google name, I would say its an inferior device by many standards. And while I dislike iphone, it does feel for complete for user's needs than android

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how is my Imagio or previos TP2 or Ozone gimped by Verizon?

ROTFLMAO.

MORE MISINFORMATION right on schedule from haters with no clue.

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567351)

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okay can we keep this civil its wp7 discussion not the whole platform/os and insulting carriers

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1567362)

i strongly disagree, but to each their own. to say that wm7 will dominate the market and crush all other operating systems is a bit premature.

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Originally Posted by gcianc (Post 1567363)

how is my Imagio or previos TP2 or Ozone gimped by Verizon?

ROTFLMAO.

MORE MISINFORMATION right on schedule from haters with no clue.

haters? did you read my posts? i said i used to have "several" winmo phones. my god man, get your head outta your crack.

Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion - Tim Smith's Flaming

Ok I have to say it is getting heated in here with the Android/Winmo/Iphone advocates from each corner squaring off. I won't begin to bash other OS's because this thread is already getting off topic. I just want to clear up on some disagreements with what I said earlier.

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Define multitasking and what you want from it and show me where Microsoft has said what you want won't work.
OEM's will be allowed to add to the UI. If they allowed OEM's to throw shit on top of the phone and cover up 7 then that's a lot of hard work wasted. They want people to see and recognize their brand and UI. I don't see a problem with that.
Social networking is a bad thing? That's a first! I guess if you're going to overreact and go off the deep end you might as well commit!
What's wrong with the hardware buttons?
What's wrong with the tiles and ZuneHD?

Lol you are obviously in a bad mood today :angry7:! I see you have flamed almost every post today that says anything bad about windows phone 7. Is this really Steve Balmer? Are you posting from barcelona?? Dude give it a rest, I said If at the beginning of my last post. You don't have to get so upset!....

But you're right microsoft hasn't said much. But there is a lot of speculation and they also didn't clear up very much either.

By multi-tasking I mean I am surfing the web in Opera mobile 10, I find a page with flash in it that I can't watch in this browser. I copy the link of the page, click my Quickmenu (an application that isn't opera) icon, and select today, which brings me Home.My home screen is another application(or service one might call it) called Sense v2.5. From Sense I click on the shortcut to Skyfire. I then paste my link into the address bar and go watch the Flash video (Opera is still running in the background, as well as about 4 other apps).When I'm done watching the vid I go back and surf away in opera. Lol Just because I can!

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I wasn't aware that you were the sole reason Microsoft existed and worked for. Here I thought the rest of us mattered! My mistake! Do you want me to bow now or later?

I expected this phone to allow me to travel through time! Microsoft sucks for not delivering! :sad:

Haha Like I said cranky today! For those of you that understand the technical underbelly of an OS. You can see where I might have expected some of these things. If you wanted to do some readying Tim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile

you would see that windows mobile has come a long way. Before the release of Windows Phone series 7. Us developers (i.e. me and the rest of the people writing software for winmo devices) expected Windows phone 7 to be built on WinCe 6. WinCe 6 was going to offer vast improvements to WinCe 5.2 (what winmo 5, and 6 are built on). Many of these improvements I stated in my previous post that you flamed.

More importantly there is a new rumor that Windows Phone 7 is actually built on a new and unreleased WinCe 7 (might be released at MIX) which should offer improvements to WinCe 6. So my expectations were very high. And as I am a potential application developer for WP7 this type of thing does concern me. And Microsoft needs to be aware that while, many users are just plain consumers who know very little about the hardware or software they are using (Like you Tim), there are also many users whom are extremely tech savvy and choose WinMo FOR THIS REASON! Even if I only was a consumer I have my right to dislike their product and UI.

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1. Most of the technical specs weren't talked about. Multitouch does exist and was demoed. Backwards compatibility is not needed and if it existed people like you would be bitching and whining about it not working as well as you want. It's lose/lose for Microsoft with people like you.

2. It's WVGA which is fine with me. How about you wait and see how this looks for yourself instead of freaking out right off the bat?

3. The IE browser looks decent so far. Pinch to zoom and pretty responsive.

4. Wasn't mentioned because they didn't go into that much detail. Wait until MIX. Though I'm sure no matter what you'll be on here bitching.

5. See above.

6. Done.

7. Done.

8. Apparently done. We'll find out more at MIX.

As for the above quote, I don't really need to say much. You don't have to get so defensive Tim. I mean really if you knew anything about selling software you would understand it is a business just like any other. If a business partner you have been working with for sometime (say M$), suddenly stabs you in the back and changes all the business plans you made. You might be upset. I'm glad as a consumer you don't care about small things like the thousands of employees that develop UI's, games, and apps that just won't work on WinMo7. You just care about the end user experience right?

Also when you say done, and all the crap about bitching , and wait for MIX it makes me wonder if you read the other posts you flame because I've said this today...

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DID I GET ANY OF THOSE?
Yes, but only the least important ones!!! WTF Microsoft?? I don't know if I can jump ship to Android for this because that OS is still made of Java and obviously no more PocketPc than the iPhone. But I don't think I'm upgrading to winmo 7 either. I'm seriously dissapointed at this pile of crap. I wanted next generation windows mobile, not Zune HD+ tiles. This sucks Microsoft! I hope things are cleared up at MIX10. Because I'm not carrying around a Zune with microphone and internet connection. MY Touch pro 2 is nicer than that!

That pretty much says, that some of my expectations came true, but mostly they sucked. Oh and I do believe I am waiting for MIX10 considering I have F-ING Tickets Dumbass.

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So you're saying you wouldn't use a phone like the Touch Pro 2 running this? That's exactly what I'm wanting for myself. Sounds to me like you set unreasonable expectations and refuse to be open minded and give any of it a chance. That's unfortunate for you.

No I wouldn't. Because it is not the hardware on the windows phone that was used to demo WP7 I didn't like (we don't even know the specs on the hardware), it was the software that sucked. Also, I don't think the touch pro 2 isn't capable of pushing those worthless transition animations. And again you're wrong, It is my open-minded self that thought of all the possibilities this device might have, that was so very disappointed when the reality settled in. Only time will tell if Windows Phone 7 will be worth the hype. However if it is as simple-minded as the iphone(which it resembles greatly), it is unfortunate for all winmo powers users (The Power Users Tim, not you and the mindless consumer that likes pretty colors. I hope this wasn't too much bitching for you Tim).

Also one last note Tim, though you have flamed many posts in this thread, and others. I didn't see any of these under your posts....

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Existentialism Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
lmao, tpimp420 crystallized my thoughts exactly. Well said.

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fixxxer2008 Re: Windows Phone 7 Discussion
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Originally Posted by Existentialism http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
lmao, tpimp420 crystallized my thoughts exactly. Well said.

amen +1000 here

i really hope this thing doesn't look like it does at launch. they need a good team of designers to give a better a UI. i watched the video again and it seems sorta comlex for a average user.

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You did NOT answer how is the Verizon TP2/Ozone/Imagio gimped?

when i read your posts here jilted school-girl is what comes to mind ;)

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567415)

haters? did you read my posts? i said i used to have "several" winmo phones. my god man, get your head outta your crack.

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instead of trolling... man up and explain your misinformation campaign.

what verizon phone was "crippled" in the last year?

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Originally Posted by fixxxer2008 (Post 1567351)

yeah and verizon is such a great "lmao" carrier that loves to cripple their phones, sorta like mico$oft does with wm7. :evil4:
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The touch pro one. That is why I got the sprint one. Then got it working on verizon. Best of both worlds. But hey its ok man, this was the only one. Other than that the winmo phones aren't crippled. As for all the other dumb phones... well verizon has crippled those from the beginning and I don't think they plan to stop.

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Originally Posted by gimme5 (Post 1567332)

Thanks for actually discussing WP7 and not arguing like the rest of these idiots for the past few pages. One good post in like 4 pages. Where's a mod when you need them?

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So the question is when do we see a rom start circulating? Any speculations?

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probably not for a while...

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Originally Posted by aggiematt1 (Post 1567568)

So the question is when do we see a rom start circulating? Any speculations?

I'm guessing June is when we will start to see roms pop up.

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i was listening to last week's wmexperts podcast and they think this creation is just the 1st version. they think a professional version will be next and then a combo (super) version will be after that.

if not, i think WM will lose customers to blackberry and palm, while hoping to gain customers back from android and iphone. that would be a bad move i think.

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I'm not sure i agree with the june "assumption"
I think we need to understand that everything has to be re written from the top. The kitchens currently support ce 5.2 and the development community hasn't even truly begun to get into ce 6, but we are talking as if ce 7 is a hop skip and a jump away (and wp7 runs on ce 7 core).
It is going to take some time and even above this time constraint, only gsm (int'l) phones will have the hardware specifications to run that...with the tmo hd2 (minus the bing button)
Where are we getting the magical june thing though?
As for the multiple OS threads, I will hear it from MIX I guess

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 1567885)

oh i thought wp7 ran ce6.... so says engadget...

Wirelessly posted (AdrianH85(TP2): Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; IEMobile 7.11) Sprint MP6950SP)

im sorry but im not a fan of winmo 7 at all it looks like crap on the demo video it might run very well but the ui looks dated and its not even out yet! im also not a big fan of 6.5.x ether!! i love 6.1 and lite 6.5 roms!!

i feel microsoft needs to stop tryin to look like the iphone and start to realize the the look and feel of winmo will be lost in wm7! i can see now i will be porting 6.1 and 6.5 to most of my future devices unless they make major ui changes to winmo 7 (if i wanted the iphone i would buy one)!!

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Originally Posted by nrfitchett4 (Post 1567804)

To expand/clarify:

I think the real locked down version is Pink/Turtle/Pure. See some specs and more info here posted today, which are new/not covered yet.

Next is a stripped down, business edition. We have not seen that yet, but read this article and note what HTC says: "Unique HTC experience". Serious question: what do you think that means? I think it refers to Sense or something analogous.

I think what we saw today was the "high end" full version. But I'm real curious as to what HTC has to say. More on that tomorrow.

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I'm glad I jumped ship to WebOs. The things that stood out to me on some vids were...

Calander
Email
Messaging

The three looked unimpressive, just like the previous versions of Winmo. Granted they didn't open up any emails just showing the inbox. The one thing for me personally is that I have a iPod classic. Being a huge lover of music I need large storage for music. So I don't really need that being a focus on my phone. As well I don't really use facebook.

I use my smart phone for the three things mentioned, so for me, I will be sticking with my pre.

Oh, did anyone else notice when not in the lock screen the top taskbar does not show you signal / wifi... wtf

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I have no problem with what microsoft has done. From a business standpoint this had to be done. I'm not sure how everything will play out as far as games,apps and developers but im hoping microsoft has them already lined up. From what i've seen, the os isn't innovative and it borrows heavily from other os". Those who like/dislike the os all have valid points. Having zune or xbox live intergration wont really do much for those who dont own/like zune interfaces. I'm sure microsoft will do well when compared to their last couple of years but thinking it will become number one again doesnt make much sense.How can you say that and it isnt even out yet. Although i dont like fanboy comments at least they do defend os' that are out. If i walked into a store(being a non informed consumer) and saw one of these phones next to others then maybe it has a fighting chance of being purchased. but if i asked for help or did research on a windows phone device...nothing would set it apart.. Its web browser isnt the best, zune cant compete itunes, the apps arent anywhere near the quantity of any of the other os'(its zero by the way) it has live tiles/widgets whatever you want to call them but so does blur/sense/webos/android...everyone. Actually webos does it the best and it ties in your facebook,yahoo aim and so on info. Microsoft is singing integration but they had htc doing it for them,motorola has it in blur and palm already has it done the best because everything can be worked with notications and multi-tasking combined...no one else does this. Im sure its not hard to get to where you want on the device but swiping up and down through a list of tiles takes much longer than swiping left or right(apple,android) and selecting an app. Webos also has them beat, you have the gesture area that can bring up whatever no mater what...no leaving anything to go back to the home screen,no swiping/bringing up lists/tiles/rows no button presses..nothing. I can already post something on facebook and have it pop up on a friends calendar in webos,same with yahoo. I know it sounds like im bashing microsoft, trust me im really not.. Their new os is great for them it just doesnt stand out when compared to other os', nothing is new or hasnt been done before. All they did is copy and make it their own. Being able to have a unique windows device is what kept them afloat(touchflo,sense,mobile shell) now they just kinda turned their back on those values and became followers. By the way, notice i said this is "from what i've seen" i'm basing my "opinion" on the same things everyone (for the most part) is. Please if you agree/disagree comment. Be respectful because im not disrespecting anyone else's opinion.