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we don't necessarily know that it's all locked up, for all we know we'll still be able to hack/tweak/customize, may not have as much control over it as we used to but it would expect it to be just as hackable as Android or WebOS

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That first sentence makes no sense and that second sentence explains everything.

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People love drama and love to freak out and make everything a big deal.

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true, i think it'll come out better than most people are expecting

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When its compared to microsoft's older mobile os' im impressed, but if it were to be lined up with other mobile os' then no im not. I guess its because of how touchflo,sense,mobile shell etc have shown what can be done with windows. As far as features and the ui.. it isnt anything new. Its the zune interface with tiles, its like a titanium/zune/blur/webos/android/iphone os mash-up. Again this os is aimed to contend with those other os' but we have to be honest...it copies alot from them, its mostly a clone of their features with a little microsoft flavor added in. Its hard to get excited about another os especially one that starts all the way over,negates all past apps and brings nothing new to the table. There's really no eye candy, its just a plain vanilla os. Is this to help make it fast and maintain stability? Also they want to encourage innovation with phone manufactures? How will they do that if they cant do anything to the software? I mean htc makes sexy hardware but i like sense and enjoy touchflo. How will these companies differentiate themselves from one another? This leaves opportunity for that lame android to grow & prosper. I'm hoping this "legacy" version that ive recenly heard about is more like the previous versions(roms,custom ui's etc) and not just windows phone 7 with the business features added.

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Personally, I believe that there probably still is customization that can be done (to a degree). http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=124244&lang=1033

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Yes i agree with you but what everyone means is custom roms and phones shipping with different ui's like touchflo and sense. Now its looking like the phones will have to be jailbroken or can only be tweaked like the pre or android phones. Although palm helps with the hacking lol im not so sure microsoft will be so helpful.

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Uh, in case you havent noticed phone sales as of lately plenty of people are ALREADY going to Android.. and after this "big" announcement I definitely dont see that changing. The biggest excuse people here loved to use as to justify winmo still was the customization... what now?

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And again, nothing is going to stop Android from growing including winmo. It's already been projected that within a year Android will have the second largest marketshare behind Nokia based off of their current growth. Trust, Android is just getting started and wont be going anywhere. And whenever that Supersonic comes to Sprint I will be getting one.. thought about the Nexus but dont wanna go to T-mobile to get it.

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the new UI looks like sh** to me. as i said balmer can polish a turd but it still won't save winmo. im soo glad i jumped ship to android. bye bye winmo!

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i don't think you guys will get a lot of custom roms with wm7 my friend.

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Why does everyone that dislikes windows mobile/phone have to act like a douchebag when they talk about it? Why can't you just say "eh doesn't really do it for me" or something like that? Why does it have to be "OMFG WORST ****ING THING EVERY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD"?

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lmao..between microsoft and this BIG FAIL and apple locking out any jailbroken users from the app store i guess androids fanbase will grow 10x as fast now. it's almost like they want android to dominate the market this year. :evil4:

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im sorry man, it looks like total crap. ill take my android any day compared to that. enjoy your tp2 and winmo 6.1 and 6.5 becuase wm7 is a fail.

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How is this a big fail? A majority of the people I've seen talk about this across multiple sites have been positive. You and the other negative little bitches are the minority.

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I have no problem with people saying they like android or iphone UI more. Though I would be confused by the iphone comment but I can understand the android thing. I like it, I think it's second compared to this but I still like it. My problem is with people bashing this just because they don't like it. It's the over the top shit that annoys me.

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just keep telling yourself wm7 rocks man. ](*,)

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Initially, my posts for wp7 felt the OS wasn't lackluster and initially my review was negative for a few reasons. I think the biggest thing is that the presentation was a teaser and true Q n A wasn't explored (like adobe pdf/epub support, integration in business side/oem manufacturers). However, in viewing the information ad nauseum, I think I am starting to appreciate what microsoft has done and why many are saying they are switching apple and droid for this.

I think the first big thing was the dismissal of an application system. There are too many darn applications in my eyes and it does make things complex. Apple's main campaign was there's an app for that. Similarly, droid and windows mobile followed (with windows you can argue started the trend) with their respective app stores to capitalize on the application system. In many ways, this meant that there were various applications and user customizability to your hearts content. But it made things complex and the flow of communication seemed very difficult. For instance , facebook and myspace have different applications based on the same contact! In many ways, HTC has improved on this system with integration of social networking rise integrated within htc sense, but still very little is done on microsoft's end. The hub system is actually very complex, but very simplistic in that almost all of the information you need to know is a gesture or two away. That is a mindblowing aspect of wp7. The hub makes it so that information isn't disconnected across platforms and are focused instead to meet the users needs. That is extraordinary.

Another thing that stands out is the fluidity. Macosx, android, webos, symbian, and the like seem to mimic each other in gesture control and even animation. There lacked a lot of originality in the mobile phone arena. At this point, there needs to be heavier cohesion of things and maintaining originality with simplicity. Microsoft has done that for the entire operating system. This has a lot of rammifications to OEMs as it gives them more freedom to roam. I recall seeing a new "sense" that HTC began to petition for patent process, and when I initially saw the design, it made absolutely no sense to me. Now that I see wp7, I can definitely see that Microsoft and HTC are working closely to make an ultimate experience for the end user at the sake of simplicity. I also see other developers taking this stand and going back to the lab for the sake of windows mobile.

Consumer support is something that I have to give microsoft much credit for. They stepped it up in the consumer sector with their kiss attitude about not making things not fantastically pretty, but making element of the ui easy to access without multiple clicks/gestures/modifications/whatever. Right now, microsoft is broadening its demographic for the almighty dollar, and so far, people are listening.

This isn't a truly rosy picture, though. There are some gripes that i have with wp7. For one thing is the lack of device uniformity. Chassis 1 specs are at a higher end, and yet Toshiba is releasing a definitive wp7 with 256 mb ram. Does that make sense? No, but it does show that wp7 can run on lower ram requirements. The emphasis that microsoft has on uniformity is dismissed when I see and compare a toshiba device to an htc (where there is a lot of ram/rom on the latter and not so much on the preceding). All that makes me realize is that there may be other experiences to wp7.

So where does that leave us?

I think microsoft just wanted to wet our whistle of the biggest things wp7 can do. Its not ready for prime time and undeniably so its not. But I think MIX10 will give us a lot more details and as users we can determine whether we want to switch. Personally, I was anti wp7 for a moment, but then thinking of it, I can only say I want to continue watching the progression of wp7 for the fall.

What would be nice is a global strategic release of the software and hardware (something we didn't see with wp6.5). So all that said, I think I may jump ship just to get a new experience thereof. All in all, time will tell of the changes made. I think maybe there should be some time. I can definitely now see wp7 phone in the htc hd3 and the hd2 too despite the no search button requirement. I have a lot of questions at MIX and I hope they will be answered. But so far, I went from totally hating it when I think about it, its not so bad

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don't get me wrong i was really hoping they could deliver something that would bring me back to winmo. but im not at all impressed. looks like my next phone later this year after my hero will be the nexus one.

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dead wrong.... i'm NOT easily impressed.

if this looks like iPhone to you then you're either totally biased, a hater or blind.

in fact though, i despise TF3D/Sense and most geek garbage posted. iPhone is a decent but clumsy start... YAWN.

Even more though i HATE NO INTEGRATION and jumping thru hoops to get basic stuff working. i do consider myself clue'd into the real world though. If you sold (ie. customers payed YOU for software YOU developed) then perhaps you'd be there too.

The WM7 phone showed today - if it did NOTHING MORE - would SELL ITSELF on all carriers over palm and 'droid and blackberry as well as do great on ATT/iPhone.

android is now poised to be the "give it away to geeks" platform that carriers will shun (once wp7 ships in mass) unless they get serious google payola (see palm on spring .... yawn).

Vendors NEED product to sell and WP7 will sell, sell, sell based on what you already saw. Anyone with a clue will recognize this.

sorry WP7 is a GAME CHANGER more than i myself actually ever expected.

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I am not being negative but i will say with all the hype and build up i am truly disappointed in W7. Maybe i will change my mind someday but for now they didn't give us anything we have not already seen from palm, iphone or LG

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if i read your post right? your wrong, the android fan base is growing by the day and after the announcement of iphone users being blocked from the market if jailbroken yeah android will hold it's own just fine. im glad you like the winmo 7 interface i myself don't like what i see and ill stick to android. what microsoft needs is htc to step in and help them design a interface.

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no problem, they all are really poor in comparison... sorry cooks but as Tuna (bill parcells) once said so eloquently

"if i'm going to be the cook then i want to buy the groceries".

Custom ROMs were sometimes better than the Verizon/Sprint/Att/etc roms... they were not perfect or anything special given the groceries the cooks had to work with.

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So if I like it and am happy with it I'm wrong? I wasn't aware your opinion was the official one that everyone had to adopt.

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"growing by the day"... ROTF ... we're just out of the starting gate. a month or two of sales data does not make a long-term patter

jailbreakers and GEEKS are a SMALL PERCENT of smartphone purchasing for 2010, 2011, etc.

HTC software is pure garbage by comparison to what you saw today. Microsoft has bit it's tongue, swallowed it's corporate pride and helped vendors ship devices for xmas 2009 (wm6.5, imagio, tp2, make-shift facebook app & 6.x marketplace ) while putting a HUGE EFFORT in what really matters... LONG TERM... WP7.

sorry haters.

move past the hate... it's really lame and life too short :)

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From what they've said I get the impression Microsoft is going to push HARD to make sure this launch is as clean and universal as possible. In my opinion the launch is as important if not more important than the OS development itself. Doesn't matter how great it is if you **** up the launch and turn people off.

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:protest: Great JOB MS you broke WinMo.


First off if windows phone 7 turns out like it seems it will:

-no multitasking
-little oem customization
-apps installed from app store only
-social network integration is key
- 3 hardware button phones
- ZUNE HD + tiles

Then I'm going to be pissed. WTF Microsoft? You took everything I loved about WinMo and through it out the window? And so you can cover everything in a non-original Zune Theme? Why oh Why?

I expected-

1.A new kernal with support for things like

• Multi-core processors
• 2gb of memory space per application (thats a minimum)
• Multi-touch and capacitive screen support
• backwards compatability for winmo 6.X apps
• hardware acceleration and accelerometer APIs

2.Higher resolution screens 1024X720 or something of that nature.
3.Better built-in web browser pocket IE 8 or something of that nature
4.Larger rom support with common rom sizes at 2gb, 1gb for Winmo7 1gb for apps.
5.Better format and codec support (flv, avi, etc.)
6.xbox live integration.
7. more capable media player (i.e. Zune player)
8. Performance tweaks, stability tweaks, better hardware support.

DID I GET ANY OF THOSE?
Yes, but only the least important ones!!! WTF Microsoft?? I don't know if I can jump ship to Android for this because that OS is still made of Java and obviously no more PocketPc than the iPhone. But I don't think I'm upgrading to winmo 7 either. I'm seriously dissapointed at this pile of crap. I wanted next generation windows mobile, not Zune HD+ tiles. This sucks Microsoft! I hope things are cleared up at MIX10. Because I'm not carrying around a Zune with microphone and internet connection. MY Touch pro 2 is nicer than that!

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lmao, tpimp420 crystallized my thoughts exactly. Well said.

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amen +1000 here

i really hope this thing doesn't look like it does at launch. they need a good team of designers to give a better a UI. i watched the video again and it seems sorta comlex for a average user.

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Well I have to disagree with you there... I have a TP2 and 3Gs 32 gig and i'm jailbroken and use itunes just fine.

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the iphone update hasn't happened yet to cripple the device.

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Exactly!

This so smells of New Coke. They decided to throw out the business and enthusiast markets to chase the iPhone it looks like.

The deep facebook integration alone is enough to turn me off...

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The issue is not that the design is terrible The issue is that we're locked into it. I could care less if it was a huge turd smear as long I could just through Touchflo or SPB Mobile Shell. But that's not longer an option, and that's what pisses me off the most.

Personally I think the design is fine. It just isn't for me.

It also frustrates me that things like Facebook are integral to the OS design. What happens in 3 or 4 years when facebook goes the way of MySpace and people are using something else? Or what about for people like me, who NEVER user or want ANYTHING to do with Facebook. Now I have all of this worthless clutter in my phone OS.

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Define multitasking and what you want from it and show me where Microsoft has said what you want won't work.
OEM's will be allowed to add to the UI. If they allowed OEM's to throw shit on top of the phone and cover up 7 then that's a lot of hard work wasted. They want people to see and recognize their brand and UI. I don't see a problem with that.
Social networking is a bad thing? That's a first! I guess if you're going to overreact and go off the deep end you might as well commit!
What's wrong with the hardware buttons?
What's wrong with the tiles and ZuneHD?

I wasn't aware that you were the sole reason Microsoft existed and worked for. Here I thought the rest of us mattered! My mistake! Do you want me to bow now or later?

I expected this phone to allow me to travel through time! Microsoft sucks for not delivering! :(

1. Most of the technical specs weren't talked about. Multitouch does exist and was demoed. Backwards compatibility is not needed and if it existed people like you would be bitching and whining about it not working as well as you want. It's lose/lose for Microsoft with people like you.

2. It's WVGA which is fine with me. How about you wait and see how this looks for yourself instead of freaking out right off the bat?

3. The IE browser looks decent so far. Pinch to zoom and pretty responsive.

4. Wasn't mentioned because they didn't go into that much detail. Wait until MIX. Though I'm sure no matter what you'll be on here bitching.

5. See above.

6. Done.

7. Done.

8. Apparently done. We'll find out more at MIX.


So you're saying you wouldn't use a phone like the Touch Pro 2 running this? That's exactly what I'm wanting for myself. Sounds to me like you set unreasonable expectations and refuse to be open minded and give any of it a chance. That's unfortunate for you.

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If you think ANYTHING winmo will outsell iphone then you sir, are an idiot. If and when the iphone goes to verizon their sales will most likely double.. and they already lead winmo in marketshare as it is. Winmo will NEVER outsell blackberry.. now you're just being outlandish. And again, i'm willing to put my money up that says within the next year Android will surpass winmo and possibly iphone in marketshare.

If you like it then you like it, fine.. but I see nothing here even remotely impressive. I think some of you are just afraid of change but I watched the whole presentation and all I was left with was scratching my chin wondering when the big boom was coming.:angry7::angry7::angry7:

Game changer? WHERE?????????? They integrated the phone with zune and threw in xbox live and thats game changing? :scratch: Sorry but I have to stand by my point.. there's nothing in that video thats going to convince anyone to switch from BB, Iphone or Android back to winmo since a lot of the things they showed other systems ALREADY do.

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im sure devs will come up with something but i have a feeling it may be much harder to try to cook up any custom roms or make any new UI's for it. i don't think it looks like the iphone at all, it looks worse.

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It has actually... they sent out a 3.1.3 update to keep people from unlocking and jailbreaking but I think you fail to realize that you dont HAVE to upgrade

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android will dominate the market very soon. since wm7 and the iphone will basically all look the same on everybodies phone becuase of lack of customization, yeah ill stick to my VERY customizable hero.

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evil steve jobs will find a way. :mrgreen:

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Yeah, because wm6.x multitasks so great (ROTFLMAO it pauses apps for the most part and you have NO IDEA what WP7 actually does at the developer level)

Yeah, because Samsung and other dvd makers are great at smartphone UI. And motorola too. won't comment on HTC the pig of pigs.

See iPhone sales at ATT due to "customization" (ie. good actual phone software design)

ROTFLMAO

i'll stop there this is comical