Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?

[nite732]

Originally Posted by schettj

Neat. What color is the sky in your world?

It's actually colorless but the reflections change now and then.

[Certs]

This thread is funny.

Call it a smart phone, call it a dumb phone, call it a media phone, call it a hot dog, I'm still going to be one of the millions of iphone owners. And I HATE hot dogs.

What Apple did was simple. It looked at Windows Mobile and found it's flaws. And it made sure their os wouldn't have the same flaw- Instability. That means a controlled environment, like blackberries. If someone is against that then their are plenty of alternatives for you.

[Certs]

As far as Flash goes, I think Apple is very ignorant with it. And I mean in general, even safari on my MacBook Pro is terrible with flash. It's as if they refuse to acknowledge it. I think the Adobe CEO may have gotten drunk and tried sexting Steve's wife.

[shaggylive]

well, I don't think I want a colorless reflective sky, but I miss the old party lines, talk a bout sharing easy.. no dial, just pick up the phone.

what I find the most odd about the whole flash thing is that Adobe was one of very few software developers for apple over the decades, why draw the line at flash? wouldn't banning java make more since? java sucks.

[NIKKG]

Originally Posted by shaggylive

well, I don't think I want a colorless reflective sky, but I miss the old party lines, talk a bout sharing easy.. no dial, just pick up the phone.

what I find the most odd about the whole flash thing is that Adobe was one of very few software developers for apple over the decades, why draw the line at flash? wouldn't banning java make more since? java sucks.

I agree, Java sucks, I got a malicious file installed just my visiting PB. The file completely hijacked my computer and wanted me to purchase its anti-virus to make itself go away. I had to format the whole computer to get rid of it. I'm also avoiding PB and visiting only the Demon site for my downloads.

[schettj]

The problem with flash is its owned by Adobe... while HTML5 is an open standard. So it's better.

[testacon]

Originally Posted by Certs

This thread is funny.

Call it a smart phone, call it a dumb phone, call it a media phone, call it a hot dog, I'm still going to be one of the millions of iphone owners. And I HATE hot dogs.

What Apple did was simple. It looked at Windows Mobile and found it's flaws. And it made sure their os wouldn't have the same flaw- Instability. That means a controlled environment, like blackberries. If someone is against that then their are plenty of alternatives for you.

What they did is remove CHOICE, my choice to install an alternative browser that supports flash. You DON'T have to install flash, I on the other hand want it, Apple has NO right to keep it from me. Some other company did that about a decade ago until several governments came in and slapped them around calling them a monopoly. I await the 3 million dollar a day fines for non-compliance when the FTC and EU come "a knocking" on their door. Let's see how c0cky Apple is then.

[Certs]

That's fine, and a reason why Android is also popular. If you want Flash there are many options for you. Apple still thinks Flash will hurt the performance of their phone, so they haven't allowed it. I would like Flash on my phone but I have chosen that an iPhone without Flash is better for me than an Android phone with it. Sure its not the popular choice around here but so be it.

Based on what I've read recently it seems Apple has loosened the reigns a bit with 3rd party add-ons, so we'll see. Here's the article I'm talking about

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/09/a...tions-will-al/

[spectheintro]

Originally Posted by testacon

What they did is remove CHOICE, my choice to install an alternative browser that supports flash. You DON'T have to install flash, I on the other hand want it, Apple has NO right to keep it from me. Some other company did that about a decade ago until several governments came in and slapped them around calling them a monopoly. I await the 3 million dollar a day fines for non-compliance when the FTC and EU come "a knocking" on their door. Let's see how c0cky Apple is then.

Are you seriously comparing Microsoft's blatant anti-competitive practices with Microsoft Windows to Apple's decision to not allow Flash on its phones? The two aren't even remotely comparable.

Microsoft--threatened OEMs, spent millions purchasing and immediately shutting down competitors, had tons of backdoor dealings to ensure its platform was the only one being sold in most markets.

Apple--has made a cell phone and decided not to allow certain software on it. Has done nothing to prevent any other cell phone manufacturers from supporting the software, has not attempted to halt the sale of all other cell phones, has threatened no one to my knowledge.

Seriously, get your facts straight. Apple's being arrogant and douchebag-esque with its iOS platform. Microsoft was criminal. The difference between the two is astronomical.

EDIT: Just go read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft. And then try and claim that what Apple has done even comes close. Microsoft falsified evidence in a federal court. I'm honestly shocked some of its executives aren't doing hard time. I love Windows 7 and I've supported MS platforms for years, but I call a spade a spade.

[shaggylive]

you don't think apples closed system and tight reins on software is anywhere close?

quoted from the linked wiki
Microsoft was not really making any money from Internet Explorer, and its incorporation with the operating system was due to consumer expectation to have a browser packaged with the operating system. For example, BeOS comes packaged with its web browser, NetPositive, and Mac OS X with Safari. Instead, he argued, Microsoft's true anticompetitive clout was in the rebates it offered to OEMs preventing other operating systems from getting a foothold in the market

really the m& antitrust more closely resembles the kind of B/S we have to put up with from the carriers and subsidized phones.