Why is iPhone not considered a smartphone?

[nite732]

Originally Posted by schettj

Neat. What color is the sky in your world?

It's actually colorless but the reflections change now and then.

[Certs]

This thread is funny.

Call it a smart phone, call it a dumb phone, call it a media phone, call it a hot dog, I'm still going to be one of the millions of iphone owners. And I HATE hot dogs.

What Apple did was simple. It looked at Windows Mobile and found it's flaws. And it made sure their os wouldn't have the same flaw- Instability. That means a controlled environment, like blackberries. If someone is against that then their are plenty of alternatives for you.

[testacon]

Originally Posted by Certs

This thread is funny.

Call it a smart phone, call it a dumb phone, call it a media phone, call it a hot dog, I'm still going to be one of the millions of iphone owners. And I HATE hot dogs.

What Apple did was simple. It looked at Windows Mobile and found it's flaws. And it made sure their os wouldn't have the same flaw- Instability. That means a controlled environment, like blackberries. If someone is against that then their are plenty of alternatives for you.

What they did is remove CHOICE, my choice to install an alternative browser that supports flash. You DON'T have to install flash, I on the other hand want it, Apple has NO right to keep it from me. Some other company did that about a decade ago until several governments came in and slapped them around calling them a monopoly. I await the 3 million dollar a day fines for non-compliance when the FTC and EU come "a knocking" on their door. Let's see how c0cky Apple is then.

[spectheintro]

Originally Posted by testacon

What they did is remove CHOICE, my choice to install an alternative browser that supports flash. You DON'T have to install flash, I on the other hand want it, Apple has NO right to keep it from me. Some other company did that about a decade ago until several governments came in and slapped them around calling them a monopoly. I await the 3 million dollar a day fines for non-compliance when the FTC and EU come "a knocking" on their door. Let's see how c0cky Apple is then.

Are you seriously comparing Microsoft's blatant anti-competitive practices with Microsoft Windows to Apple's decision to not allow Flash on its phones? The two aren't even remotely comparable.

Microsoft--threatened OEMs, spent millions purchasing and immediately shutting down competitors, had tons of backdoor dealings to ensure its platform was the only one being sold in most markets.

Apple--has made a cell phone and decided not to allow certain software on it. Has done nothing to prevent any other cell phone manufacturers from supporting the software, has not attempted to halt the sale of all other cell phones, has threatened no one to my knowledge.

Seriously, get your facts straight. Apple's being arrogant and douchebag-esque with its iOS platform. Microsoft was criminal. The difference between the two is astronomical.

EDIT: Just go read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft. And then try and claim that what Apple has done even comes close. Microsoft falsified evidence in a federal court. I'm honestly shocked some of its executives aren't doing hard time. I love Windows 7 and I've supported MS platforms for years, but I call a spade a spade.

[testacon]

Originally Posted by spectheintro

Are you seriously comparing Microsoft's blatant anti-competitive practices with Microsoft Windows to Apple's decision to not allow Flash on its phones? The two aren't even remotely comparable.

Microsoft--threatened OEMs, spent millions purchasing and immediately shutting down competitors, had tons of backdoor dealings to ensure its platform was the only one being sold in most markets.

Apple--has made a cell phone and decided not to allow certain software on it. Has done nothing to prevent any other cell phone manufacturers from supporting the software, has not attempted to halt the sale of all other cell phones, has threatened no one to my knowledge.

Seriously, get your facts straight. Apple's being arrogant and douchebag-esque with its iOS platform. Microsoft was criminal. The difference between the two is astronomical.

EDIT: Just go read this: United States v. Microsoft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. And then try and claim that what Apple has done even comes close. Microsoft falsified evidence in a federal court. I'm honestly shocked some of its executives aren't doing hard time. I love Windows 7 and I've supported MS platforms for years, but I call a spade a spade.

Um, did Microsoft at ANY time prevent you from installing ANY programs or disallowed one? No--then case closed. I admit Microsoft was 100% wrong during that time and deserved the fallout they got for "business bullying", but shame on the general public for not looking at other programs or exercising their choices. At no time during the browser regime had any issues installing Netscape or an alternative browser. Can't really say the same for Apple can you now?

Programmers spend weeks and months making programs following Apple's incomplete guidelines for FIVE years only to get denied for no REAL reason, and you're going to cry fowl because the FTC has a problem with this and investigating Apple's practices. Boo freaking hoo! I'm sure Microsoft started out just like this in the beginning.

Now let's look at Apple's "relationship" with AT&T. After contract or buy out, can you easily take your 100% paid for phone to TMobile without hacking? No? Then again I asked what's the difference between Apple and Microsoft's practices. The only reason Apple caved overseas was from threat again from a foreign government. Apple's on borrowed time right now, as they aggravate the wrong people more and more each day. The US smackdown is rapidly approaching, and I'm impatiently waiting for it.

[spectheintro]

Originally Posted by testacon

Um, did Microsoft at ANY time prevent you from installing ANY programs or disallowed one? No--then case closed. I admit Microsoft was 100% wrong during that time and deserved the fallout they got for "business bullying", but shame on the general public for not looking at other programs or exercising their choices. At no time during the browser regime had any issues installing Netscape or an alternative browser. Can't really say the same for Apple can you now?

Except they did. If you'd read the provided link, you'd see that Windows 95 made installs of foreign browsers extremely unintuitive. (They falsified evidence to try and show otherwise, but were caught in the act.) Not only that, but Microsoft also forced OEMs to NOT package competitor's browsers when distributing their computers. So yes, quite literally, Microsoft did prevent me from installing foreign browsers: it exercised (illegally) market power to keep alternatives from me in a purchased machine, and also purposely designed their OS to be anti-foreign browser. You can say MS and Apple are sort-of similar on the latter; the former is a totally different category of behavior.

Programmers spend weeks and months making programs following Apple's incomplete guidelines for FIVE years only to get denied for no REAL reason, and you're going to cry fowl because the FTC has a problem with this and investigating Apple's practices. Boo freaking hoo! I'm sure Microsoft started out just like this in the beginning.

I at no point "cried fowl" for the FTC investigating anything. I merely pointed out that what MS did is in a completely different ozone layer than the things you're decrying Apple for.

Now let's look at Apple's "relationship" with AT&T. After contract or buy out, can you easily take your 100% paid for phone to TMobile without hacking? No? Then again I asked what's the difference between Apple and Microsoft's practices.

Easy. Apple is not bullying AT&T and every other carrier to not let you purchase any other phone. That difference enough for you? Apple is also not spending millions of dollars spreading false information about every other cell phone OS in the market. In short, Apple is not attempting to be a monopoly. That's the difference between Apple and MS.

If you don't like Apple, fine. Doesn't matter to me. But get your perspective straight. Apple and MS are in completely different leagues. Just because you feel more aggrieved by Apple's slights doesn't mean they're comparable to the morass of anti-competitive behavior MS engaged in. We'll never know how much innovation and creativity was stifled by MS's practices.

[Certs]

As far as Flash goes, I think Apple is very ignorant with it. And I mean in general, even safari on my MacBook Pro is terrible with flash. It's as if they refuse to acknowledge it. I think the Adobe CEO may have gotten drunk and tried sexting Steve's wife.

[shaggylive]

well, I don't think I want a colorless reflective sky, but I miss the old party lines, talk a bout sharing easy.. no dial, just pick up the phone.

what I find the most odd about the whole flash thing is that Adobe was one of very few software developers for apple over the decades, why draw the line at flash? wouldn't banning java make more since? java sucks.

[NIKKG]

Originally Posted by shaggylive

well, I don't think I want a colorless reflective sky, but I miss the old party lines, talk a bout sharing easy.. no dial, just pick up the phone.

what I find the most odd about the whole flash thing is that Adobe was one of very few software developers for apple over the decades, why draw the line at flash? wouldn't banning java make more since? java sucks.

I agree, Java sucks, I got a malicious file installed just my visiting PB. The file completely hijacked my computer and wanted me to purchase its anti-virus to make itself go away. I had to format the whole computer to get rid of it. I'm also avoiding PB and visiting only the Demon site for my downloads.

[schettj]

The problem with flash is its owned by Adobe... while HTML5 is an open standard. So it's better.