death of wm

[boredandtattooed]

Originally Posted by saucratiz

microsoft has been trying to deliver wm7 for the las almost 3 years

3 years?? so before winmo 6 or 6.1 they were trying to come out with 7?? i had a mogul 3 yrs ago, they definietly werent trying then

[i360]

They are going to be dealt a serious blow the coming months due to the increase of Android phones into the mainstream market that's for sure. Although I wouldn't count them out completely when they finally get around to releasing WM7. They should have released WM7 the beginning of the year actually instead of rehashing WM 6 all this time. Its going to be harder to get back all these WM defectors.

[rainfreak]

Moved to the general Android forum, though I may move it again to Off Topic, depending on how the conversation continues.

[nuprotocol]

Originally Posted by themuffinman

Yeah, as much as I love winmo, microsoft really f'd up on this one. They had so many years to come up with new innovative ideas but they sat on their asses being lazy since they were the only big players in the mobile market for a while. The iphone came out and it was lacking so many things but it worked perfect for the average person that didn't know jack about a pda, as a matter of fact the iphone is kinda like the "pda for dummies", again though it did what it was suppose to do with not that much hastle or even a learning curve. And with android being open source, how can you lose? The possibilities are endless. I hope microsoft hits a homerun with winmo7 but I am starting to believe that it may be a little too late for them but who knows, they got deep pockets so anything is possible. We will see

Its funny you say the iphone is a pda for dummies. This is what I was telling a friend that said winmo sucked compared to iphone. We're not saying that the people who own a iphone are dumb, but it really doesnt take any know how or knowledge to use an iphone. It's just an ipod with a phone app.

Anyway, I've been using winmo for over 10yrs and I agree with the title of this thread. If feels like winmo is dying. I never thought I would switch to an android phone, let alone a phone with no hardware keyboard. I also came off my Sero plan. It's crazy what a really awesome phone will do. I switched OS, dropped my mandatory need for a hardware keyboard and changed my monthly plan. If only HTC was able to release some snapdragon winmo phones a year earlier.

[dicast]

Long time WM user and supporter but I'm done. Iphone is a great product cant deny that. matter of fact, I even own a few apple products. But partnering with AT&T is a no go for me. I refuse to slave to ATT and Apple greed. secondly, I want my freedom. freedom to get porn if I want, flash if I like. I was hoping that MS can kick Apple's rear end instead M$ trying so hard to be Apple when it comes to mobile. i.e No cut n paste? most users dont use it? whats wrong with you. HTC and other cant put their own interface? like sense? thats's too much of an bad apple for me. Beside, at the moment M$ is too far behind and on the wrong path. Therefore, Android is the only option, Evo that is.

[shaggylive]

Originally Posted by saucratiz

imo, microsoft has been trying to deliver wm7 for the las almost 3 years, and they are trying to follow apples model by locking things down and controlling as much as possible

well 3 years ago the world didn't even know about the iphone (first ad's ran june '07)

Originally Posted by themuffinman

Yeah, as much as I love winmo, microsoft really f'd up on this one. They had so many years to come up with new innovative ideas but they sat on their asses being lazy since they were the only big players in the mobile market for a while. The iphone came out and it was lacking so many things but it worked perfect for the average person that didn't know jack about a pda, as a matter of fact the iphone is kinda like the "pda for dummies", again though it did what it was suppose to do with not that much hastle or even a learning curve. And with android being open source, how can you lose? The possibilities are endless. I hope microsoft hits a homerun with winmo7 but I am starting to believe that it may be a little too late for them but who knows, they got deep pockets so anything is possible. We will see

iphone=internet phone. nothing smart about it, just designed to play music and surf the internet. (well except for flash content that is..)

Originally Posted by boredandtattooed

3 years?? so before winmo 6 or 6.1 they were trying to come out with 7?? i had a mogul 3 yrs ago, they definietly werent trying then

good place to mention that jobs was activly working on integrating apple to phones for as long as wm has actually been available for it.. (~2003)

Originally Posted by nuprotocol

Its funny you say the iphone is a pda for dummies. This is what I was telling a friend that said winmo sucked compared to iphone. We're not saying that the people who own a iphone are dumb, but it really doesnt take any know how or knowledge to use an iphone. It's just an ipod with a phone app.

Anyway, I've been using winmo for over 10yrs and I agree with the title of this thread. If feels like winmo is dying. I never thought I would switch to an android phone, let alone a phone with no hardware keyboard. I also came off my Sero plan. It's crazy what a really awesome phone will do. I switched OS, dropped my mandatory need for a hardware keyboard and changed my monthly plan. If only HTC was able to release some snapdragon winmo phones a year earlier.

umm, winmo 10 years ago was actually hpc 1.0 (handheld pc), were made by casio and resembled the htc shift except for the monochrome green screen and 4mb of total memory.

Originally Posted by dicast

Long time WM user and supporter but I'm done. Iphone is a great product cant deny that. matter of fact, I even own a few apple products. But partnering with AT&T is a no go for me. I refuse to slave to ATT and Apple greed. secondly, I want my freedom. freedom to get porn if I want, flash if I like. I was hoping that MS can kick Apple's rear end instead M$ trying so hard to be Apple when it comes to mobile. i.e No cut n paste? most users dont use it? whats wrong with you. HTC and other cant put their own interface? like sense? thats's too much of an bad apple for me. Beside, at the moment M$ is too far behind and on the wrong path. Therefore, Android is the only option, Evo that is.

I really belive wm7 is much like the pc counterpart; a slimmed down core with tones of options for interfacing.. I'm supprised more discussion isn't happening about the kin, cuz eventhough most of us will never get one, it does look very much like a m$ experiment that will shape what wm7 actually becomes

ohh, and the freedom bit.. android isn't free. it comes with a cost; privacy. (although once rooted, the shackles can/could/have be(en) broken.)

[nuprotocol]

Originally Posted by shaggylive

well 3 years ago the world didn't even know about the iphone (first ad's ran june '07)

iphone=internet phone. nothing smart about it, just designed to play music and surf the internet. (well except for flash content that is..)

good place to mention that jobs was activly working on integrating apple to phones for as long as wm has actually been available for it.. (~2003)


umm, winmo 10 years ago was actually hpc 1.0 (handheld pc), were made by casio and resembled the htc shift except for the monochrome green screen and 4mb of total memory.

I really belive wm7 is much like the pc counterpart; a slimmed down core with tones of options for interfacing.. I'm supprised more discussion isn't happening about the kin, cuz eventhough most of us will never get one, it does look very much like a m$ experiment that will shape what wm7 actually becomes

ohh, and the freedom bit.. android isn't free. it comes with a cost; privacy. (although once rooted, the shackles can/could/have be(en) broken.)

I had a few pocket pc's. Did you not use those? It's not the winmo we know today, but still the humble beginnings. Therefore, IMO Winmo.

[RicoRich196]

Originally Posted by gTen

It is true but WM relies a LOT on hardware and as it is way bulkier then most other OS. I mean if HTC would have released the phone with better hardware it would have made the difference. But at the time HTC was just starting and only did minor hardware improvements with each revision. Most PDA's had at least 2x the processing of the phones.

If WM debuted as a phone as an HD2 is now it would have had much different reception. I mean even if they added a bit more ram and licensed the drivers it would have made a difference.

If it would've debuted it would've cost thousands of dollars.

[cg83]

as long as the phone makers continue to make the more powerful phones( TP3, Ominia 3, HDC 3) and so on WM will strive on. Those phones mentioned are powerbased phones. WM7 is a powerbased OS. Some people want just the easy stuff, downlaod a few apps here and there and so on. WM7 is innovation and for the power users. People for the longest said that MS will fall off with Windows. They went no where. Even with Vista they still didnt fall off. Vista was for the power users, WM7 is for the power users. The only way MS will fall off or die out is if they do it to themselves.

[Ed Zachary]

Originally Posted by cg83

Even with Vista they still didnt fall off. Vista was for the power users, WM7 is for the power users.

I would have to disagree.

As someone who has developed for Windows, web, and handheld devices for over 15 years I can say that Vista is an unqualified abomination to use unless you are happy to turn total control over to MS.

The same holds true for developing for Vista.