death of wm

[saucratiz]

I have been an avid wm user, since wm5 I currently have a tp2. I loathed the iphone loved the freedom, but been playing with android since it has hit the shelves, and with the anticpation of the evo, I take a trip to my nearest verizon store atleast once a weak to play with android 2.1 on the incredible, I love it...
imo, microsoft has been trying to deliver wm7 for the las almost 3 years, and they are trying to follow apples model by locking things down and controlling as much as possible, android instead is giving the consumers what they want, ie flash, android will be the most popular os by the end of the year no matter what apple does with their next gen device they will continue to loose market share
and as for wm7 even with the screenshots and sample vids we have seen so far im just not impressed and with the 1st wm7 not due until 4q10 not good

[freeza]

agreed

[Tectronus]

Na... no way.. Just for the time being..

Not saying they will ever get on top again though.. MS will always be around pushing.

[rawker]

Here is my take; Apple has proved the closed platform can be profitable in the mobile market. I think Microsoft really has the power to to create a nice closed system. I Cant stand that sort of closed platform, but if they build it somewhere between apple and android it will have success.

[gTen]

The problem with M$ strategy for WP7 is not only the fact that it is a closed platform but so far they are aiming for what iphone did when it just came out..so they are fighting a force that is #1 today but fighting them yesterday.

Not only that Android proved that a pc type platform can be popular as well if done right.

I mean no matter how you look at, M$ is the sore looser here...

In the end they will enter a market aimed to fight the iPhone while Android gets all the old wm users and starts fighting them for regular users.

Not to mention, WP7 partner list does not seem to favor M$ 1 bit..unless they can get LG or Dell to run them exclusively there will always be more Android phones then WP7 phones.

[themuffinman]

Originally Posted by rawker

Here is my take; Apple has proved the closed platform can be profitable in the mobile market. I think Microsoft really has the power to to create a nice closed system. I Cant stand that sort of closed platform, but if they build it somewhere between apple and android it will have success.

In my opinion the only thing that apple really proved is that you can sell anything with effective marketing and they are better than that compared to anyone else period. Hell I can guarantee that if apple could some how release a product like the ppc-6700 apache and called it the i-brick, it will get crazy good reviews and fanboys will be spending the night camping trying to get one. Apple is the master of marketing, I will give them that.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by themuffinman

In my opinion the only thing that apple really proved is that you can sell anything with effective marketing and they are better than that compared to anyone else period. Hell I can guarantee that if apple could some how release a product like the ppc-6700 apache and called it the i-brick, it will get crazy good reviews and fanboys will be spending the night camping trying to get one. Apple is the master of marketing, I will give them that.

Well another fail on M$ side is their partners like HP, Dell, Compaq and etc..they are all developing PDA's...did not one of them think..lets put a GSM/CDMA chip in it and get it on a cellphone provider?


I mean HTC was a nobody and they were selling the phones through 3rd party distributors who generically branded them. Thats why I always say HTC grew at M$ expense.

If Dell would have released a phone in the US back then it would sell like hotcakes.

[boeman]

Originally Posted by gTen

Well another fail on M$ side is their partners like HP, Dell, Compaq and etc..they are all developing PDA's...did not one of them think..lets put a GSM/CDMA chip in it and get it on a cellphone provider?


I mean HTC was a nobody and they were selling the phones through 3rd party distributors who generically branded them. Thats why I always say HTC grew at M$ expense.

If Dell would have released a phone in the US back then it would sell like hotcakes.

yeah, but Dell, HP and Compaq all had their PDAs created and manufactured by HTC. HTC was always the brains behind the most innovative windows mobile hardware. They took that experience and started building for themselves as well as others.

The reason those companies never marketed a PDA phone was that the early versions of PPC/WM Phone edition was clunky and slow. Honestly... it took an innovative company to take initiative and work with MS to make it a better platform.

[furiousgtz]

Originally Posted by themuffinman

In my opinion the only thing that apple really proved is that you can sell anything with effective marketing and they are better than that compared to anyone else period. Hell I can guarantee that if apple could some how release a product like the ppc-6700 apache and called it the i-brick, it will get crazy good reviews and fanboys will be spending the night camping trying to get one. Apple is the master of marketing, I will give them that.

Apple is saying its not the hardware its the software and I agree they have some of the best marketing campaigns. People just eat those ads. Still a WM fan.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by furiousgtz

Apple is saying its not the hardware its the software and I agree they have some of the best marketing campaigns. People just eat those ads. Still a WM fan.

It is true but WM relies a LOT on hardware and as it is way bulkier then most other OS. I mean if HTC would have released the phone with better hardware it would have made the difference. But at the time HTC was just starting and only did minor hardware improvements with each revision. Most PDA's had at least 2x the processing of the phones.

If WM debuted as a phone as an HD2 is now it would have had much different reception. I mean even if they added a bit more ram and licensed the drivers it would have made a difference.