No Nexus to VZW!!!

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by greeced

Google, as of right now, have decided not to make a CDMA version of the n1. Its as simple as that. Nothing to do with subsidies, it simply won't work on their networks.

This also means it won't be available on Sprint either. If i'm right in thinking both of those networks don't support GSM.

The CDMA version has already passed through the FCC. And Sprint has already confirmed it for their network. Not saying it won't be cancelled, but how often do phones go through the FCC, and not get released (I'm curious, I don't know the answer to this question)?

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by greeced

Google, as of right now, have decided not to make a CDMA version of the n1. Its as simple as that. Nothing to do with subsidies, it simply won't work on their networks.

This also means it won't be available on Sprint either. If i'm right in thinking both of those networks don't support GSM.

You're wrong, besides the fact that a cdma version is already made and passes FCC, this just doesn't make sense for them, plus I'm reading the Bloomberg article as we speak and they say a sprint version is still coming as well as vodaphone uk will start selling it April 30th. Vodaphone owns Verizon.

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Vodaphone owns Verizon.

Vodaphone is GSM. Verizon is CDMA. The Verizon version of the N1 wouldn't work for the Vodaphone network.

[greeced]

Originally Posted by p-slim

You're wrong, besides the fact that a cdma version is already made and passes FCC, this just doesn't make sense for them, plus I'm reading the Bloomberg article as we speak and they say a sprint version is still coming as well as vodaphone uk will start selling it April 30th. Vodaphone owns Verizon.

Well glad I'm wrong if this is the case, I'm only reading whats "Currently offered" on googles n1 website.

I've also read that they refused to offer a CDMA version to Verizon because verizon wanted to lock it down, and that goes against Google's "open source" model.

Either way, hopefully it will be offered, but passing FCC doesn't mean it will be offered, as clearly is the case with Verizon.

Again, hope I'm wrong on all fronts.

[syrguy1969]

Originally Posted by greeced

Well glad I'm wrong if this is the case, I'm only reading whats "Currently offered" on googles n1 website.

I've also read that they refused to offer a CDMA version to Verizon because verizon wanted to lock it down, and that goes against Google's "open source" model.

Either way, hopefully it will be offered, but passing FCC doesn't mean it will be offered, as clearly is the case with Verizon.

Again, hope I'm wrong on all fronts.

Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

[tokuzumi]

Originally Posted by syrguy1969

Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

On paper, the N1 on Verizon should have been the same phone as the T-Mobile and AT&T version. The only difference would be CDMA vs GSM. Not sure if Verizon wanted to "lock down" the device, and thus the device was pulled.

[greeced]

Originally Posted by syrguy1969

Just curious...what would be the differences between the 'locked-down' version from VZW compared to a non-locked version under anyone else? I am totally new to Android, so I am trying to learn.

Well, simply put, its sort of similar to the Motorola article way back on here that states if they want to install ROMS and the like to buy other HTC phones.

Locking it down is like, from what I gather as I'm no expert, involves a few things:

1. The inability to take the phone to any other network.
2. Locking down features or capabilities on the phone thus making you pay a fee for any additional software you might want on it (Bell here in canada was notorious for not allowing ringtones via USB on older CDMA phones, thus forcing you to buy ringtones from them, or the very least use your Data to download them, in essence costing you money).
3. Maybe locking it down tight so you'd have to crack it in order for any ability of installing 3rd party roms. How hard is it to crack? who knows.

Put simply, locking down a phone allows a cell provider to dictate what goes on your phone and how, not the other way around. Terrible tactics.

This is only an opinion I have of what locked down is and what I've experienced. Doesn't mean that is what it means or what they were planning for it.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by tokuzumi

Vodaphone is GSM. Verizon is CDMA. The Verizon version of the N1 wouldn't work for the Vodaphone network.

I know, just letting it be known vzw and Google don't neccsarily have bad blood. If vodaphone owns vzw and their still going to sell the nexus on the 30th, I personally think its because they just got the incredible and vzw knows the US model for selling phones is with the carrier, mostly overseas do they like buying directly from the phone vendor. personally I like buying from the vendor because that will give me more options for phones. I'm not the person who's going to try to get sprint to give me a free tp2 or anything like that.

[syrguy1969]

Originally Posted by greeced

1. The inability to take the phone to any other network.

OK...I understand this part and (buisness-wise) understand why carriers would do this.

Originally Posted by greeced

2. Locking down features or capabilities on the phone thus making you pay a fee for any additional software you might want on it (Bell here in canada was notorious for not allowing ringtones via USB on older CDMA phones, thus forcing you to buy ringtones from them, or the very least use your Data to download them, in essence costing you money).
3. Maybe locking it down tight so you'd have to crack it in order for any ability of installing 3rd party roms. How hard is it to crack? who knows.

Put simply, locking down a phone allows a cell provider to dictate what goes on your phone and how, not the other way around. Terrible tactics.

This is only an opinion I have of what locked down is and what I've experienced. Doesn't mean that is what it means or what they were planning for it.

Hmmmm....OK I think if this is 'locked-down' I may have been thinking of flashing or rooting incorrectly. I thought that was the manufacturer's (Samsung, HTC...) doing and carriers would have some say in the apps/capabilities allowed/pre-loaded. (the capabilities + pre-loaded apps is more what I thought locked-down meant) I also think VZW pretty much learned their lesson about restricting a device's functions with the GPS fiasco a year or so ago.

Thanks for the info, I guess we will just have to wait and see how things look when we get them!!

[greeced]

Originally Posted by p-slim

I know, just letting it be known vzw and Google don't neccsarily have bad blood. If vodaphone owns vzw and their still going to sell the nexus on the 30th, I personally think its because they just got the incredible and vzw knows the US model for selling phones is with the carrier, mostly overseas do they like buying directly from the phone vendor. personally I like buying from the vendor because that will give me more options for phones. I'm not the person who's going to try to get sprint to give me a free tp2 or anything like that.

This is a good point. Maybe VZW wanted to carry it in their stores with subsidized contract pricing?

I know in some parts of Europe, it is illegal for a cell provider to "lock down" a phone, and every phone sold should have the ability to move to different providers with no hassle should the customer choose to.

Maybe the contract issue was the sticky point. Who knows.

Either way, if the HTC Incredible lives up to the hype and is updated the same way the Nexus One is and will continue to be, there is no real issue here.

However if HTC/Verizon stop updating the phone in efforts to have people buy new ones, this won't be good.