Getting Raped by Verizon.

[donj72]

Originally Posted by Noir

ugh
ffs does every vzw help topic have to become oh you wouldn't have to deal with this if you were with sprint?
The OP asked for help. If the only thing you're gonna say is well if you were with sprint, don't say it. If you don't have nothing to contribute to helping the OP, don't respond.
Gah this is ridiculous every single time??? I mean come on! This isn't an elementary school for sprint v. verizon. Users come needing help, not asking to switch, not asking what this company does over the other.
Leave the politics out for goodness sakes [/rant]

back on topic
did any of the suggestions I gave you work? If not I would call vzw wireless to see if there isn't an issue with your line

You get upset about some pretty dumb stuff. We all have choices and can go to any phone company that we choose to and there is nothing wrong with someone offering advice from their experiences. I personally would not choose Sprint or Verizon because they are both raping the public. If I had to choose between the two I would choose Sprint because Verizon seems to think that there can be only one (kinda like Highlander) and has cut the head off of Alltel and sucked up their power and now EVERYONE has been left with less choices thanks to power hungry Verizon. Seems as though most of the VIP people on here have and attitude and think that what they say is gospel and there should be no choices other than what they want. Yeah I said it so what.

[codybear]

Originally Posted by donj72

You get upset about some pretty dumb stuff. We all have choices and can go to any phone company that we choose to and there is nothing wrong with someone offering advice from their experiences. I personally would not choose Sprint or Verizon because they are both raping the public. If I had to choose between the two I would choose Sprint because Verizon seems to think that there can be only one (kinda like Highlander) and has cut the head off of Alltel and sucked up their power and now EVERYONE has been left with less choices thanks to power hungry Verizon. Seems as though most of the VIP people on here have and attitude and think that what they say is gospel and there should be no choices other than what they want. Yeah I said it so what.

obviously you haven't been around long enough.
Wait, you too will see everyone's switch to sprint post when they're asking a legitimate question and need a legitimate answer.
Best not to post if you haven't been around longer than a week.
Yeah, I said it.
You stay around long enough to become VIP,
you'll realize what I've said, what others said.
You'll also realize why sometimes the longer members are mean to people.
Since we answer the same questions about 10 times throughout anygiven week when a simple search could have found the answer.
Again, you're new,
so don't even think you know it all.

[donj72]

I see, Since I have only been here for a short period there is NO WAY I can see what is going on. Don't even try and pull that with me. I have been watching these forums and the Howard forums for over a year now and you guys have no tolerance for a what you consider to be a dumb noob question or someone that asks a question more than once. You were there at one time and you know it so don't be a hypocrite and show a little more understanding sometimes. Some of these people have never even seen a windows mobile phone before and have no idea even what a cab is. Yeah I said it again.

[Erythros]

Originally Posted by codybear

obviously you haven't been around long enough.
Wait, you too will see everyone's switch to sprint post when they're asking a legitimate question and need a legitimate answer.
Best not to post if you haven't been around longer than a week.
Yeah, I said it.
You stay around long enough to become VIP,
you'll realize what I've said, what others said.
You'll also realize why sometimes the longer members are mean to people.
Since we answer the same questions about 10 times throughout anygiven week when a simple search could have found the answer.
Again, you're new,
so don't even think you know it all.

Are you serious???
Join date Dec 2008??? - you consider this long enough???
And just because you put your 2 cents into every post and get thanked 20% of the time which makes your "points" get high enough to be considered a "VIP" does not give you the right to berate another poster's comment.
I visit this site DAILY and read most posts, and REAL VIPs will not act in this fashion.

Frankly Compared to how long I have been a member YOU are "New"
YOU should realize longer members SHOULDN'T be mean simply based on longevity.
That is what makes this site great...Don't ruin it.

Yes I am sure those of us that have been here for a long time know that many posted questions have been answered long ago. If only the "newbie" would start by either using the search feature or even googling the question they would find their answer, but that is why this is called a forum, and when a new thread is started with a question already answered, the veterans can give the most concise answer and save others much effort, and when that "newbie" becomes a veteran, they may return the favor WITHOUT ranting.

Going to Sprint may be a viable choice maybe ultimately the only choice. The forum has spoken, and the fact that MANY members seemingly like their Sprint service could have answered service questions and serve as a decision maker for this poster.

[codybear]

Originally Posted by Erythros

Are you serious???
Join date Dec 2008??? - you consider this long enough???
And just because you put your 2 cents into every post and get thanked 20% of the time which makes your "points" get high enough to be considered a "VIP" does not give you the right to berate another poster's comment.
I visit this site DAILY and read most posts, and REAL VIPs will not act in this fashion.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Well I came from xda broseph.
There are alot more technical things over there and alot more technical breakdowns.
All the freeware apps that are here or anything else developed by a person in their free time was done so by someone over at xda, and then reposted here either by them but the majority of the time by someone else.
Therefore, xda database > ppcgeeks database.

I too visit this one daily.
Along with about 10 other ones.
Alot more technical ones than this site.

It's funny how people didn't try and call me out like this till I was a VIP.
Didn't happen till then.
Take the ****in title if you want.
I don't care to be VIP.
It in no way affects me or my posts.

It's funny how just because I'm vip now
(just happened less than 4 days ago)
you call me out, all the other people that say the same thing I do are not getting called out.
What gives..... jealous?

And obviously you don't see all the posts then.
Or even most posts.....If so, then you'd see vip's call people out like I did.
Alot of them.
You'd also see it behind closed doors where it happens alot more,
but you can't access those areas, and I don't believe in doing it behind people's backs.

Frankly Compared to how long I have been a member YOU are "New"
YOU should realize longer members SHOULDN'T be mean simply based on longevity.
That is what makes this site great...Don't ruin it.

Well if you want to get technical on length,
I can pull out my other more technical phone websites that I visit and kill that dispute.
And I'm not mean simply on that.
Obviously you didn't read everything now did ya?....
I'm not ruining it, technically YOU are for bringing up a dead argument and butting in a argument with someone else. You were not even involved in this....

Yes I am sure those of us that have been here for a long time know that many posted questions have been answered long ago. If only the "newbie" would start by either using the search feature or even googling the question they would find their answer, but that is why this is called a forum, and when a new thread is started with a question already answered, the veterans can give the most concise answer and save others much effort, and when that "newbie" becomes a veteran, they may return the favor WITHOUT ranting.

Much effort?
Google is two characters less than ppcgeeks
One click is alot easier than clicking a bunch of buttons to make a new post or search posts here.
I don't think that takes much effort at all.
And if they don't search, I usually post links to other threads that have the answer.
Obviously you didn't read this thread or you'd know that, and know other things I do to help.
And isn't a forum here for people to read other people's problems/mods/hacks/etc and learn how to do them....
Funny how everything comes back to reading, isn't it?

I've returned that favor when I was still a brand new person on the Pocket pc scene.
I would search people's question on google, and find it for them.
It wouldn't take me long at all.
Again, if you read the rest of this thread, specifically my posts in it, you'd realize that now wouldn't you....

Going to Sprint may be a viable choice maybe ultimately the only choice. The forum has spoken, and the fact that MANY members seemingly like their Sprint service could have answered service questions and serve as a decision maker for this poster.

He was talking about what he could do with his verizon/alltel problems.
Didn't mention anything about switching carriers.
Yes, the person could post
I like sprint for these reasons,
not simple "switch to sprint" that everyone posts EVERYWHERE for ANY phone problem when the OP is not on sprint.
Therefore, it gets RIDICULOUS to have it as a solution for everything.
Switching to sprint doesn't solve every phone problem,
if it did, then what would you sprint people do if you had a problem,
that's to say if you sprint people even had a problem (as if it solved everything then you shouldn't have one).
I don't care if MANY members like their sprint service.
If someone was asking if they would like to switch and what carriers are good, etc, then yea, post "switch to sprint" but be detailed like I stated above by saying something along the lines of I like sprint because blah blah blah, I get really good service/coverage/etc.
Not just switch to sprint because that does not help ONE BIT
in helping the original poster decide if he would want to switch.

"could have answered service questions and serve as a decision maker for this poster"
He didn't even post anything besides switch to sprint.
there's no helpful parts there, no service questions, no nothing.
He hasn't even been back to this thread.
He was just looking for a place to say switch to sprint.
Heck he's prolly works in a sprint store and sells phones for commission.
Atleast that's what I get by his post.

I could sit here and do this alllllll night long.

I wouldn't have cared if he had gone into the least bit of detail of why the OP should have switched to sprint, but yet, he just said switch to sprint.
That does nothing but waste the OP time, PPCGeeks bandwith, a valuable spot on the thread for a better answer, and both of our times as this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Again, no one seemed to care before I was VIP, now that I'm VIP I guess I just have a big head and go around hunting for posts to call out.
haha.

If you would have read "most" of the posts, then you would have seen one of the countless number of posts I have made in the vogue section helping people. If you're at xda, in the vogue section, and a few other sections, you would also see the countelss number of helpful posts I've made.
So you can't play it off that I don't give back to the ppc community.

Another thing, if sprint is sooooooooo good, then why was it relying on the pre to bring itself back into the game and actually get people to join sprint?
The only good comments I heard for the past few years were about the prices/sero plans.

This was a dead horse, and you brought it back to life full force.

I'm done with you, and the other people that keep calling me out because I'm VIP. It's retarted. Didn't happen AT ALL before I was a VIP.
But now, because I am one, and I'd rather not even be one,
I get ripped a new one for being a vip because I have actually helped out people and gave back to the community? How the heck does that work?


But I'm done with this thread.
we all don't need to get banned or get this thread closed or keep off topic discussion going as I'm sure the OP doesn't appreciate it much.

[ksg]

None of this makes any sense to me. How are they stripping out SMS which is part of the signaling/control channel? That is part of the CDMA/CDMA2000 standard.

Even if they didn't allow our Alltel phones data/MMS (because it is missing the DMU stuff), couldn't we just load a Verizon PRI, PRL, DMU and then call *228 to activate for good measure? Wouldn't that now turn on our phone into a 'verizon phone?' -- as long as they'll take/activate an Alltel ESN/MEID, this doesn't seem like it'd be an issue.

I guess I'll have my own tests to conduct once I get switched over to Verizon. Seemingly, this all happens next week for me.

[MrObvious]

Originally Posted by ksg

None of this makes any sense to me. How are they stripping out SMS which is part of the signaling/control channel? That is part of the CDMA/CDMA2000 standard.

Even if they didn't allow our Alltel phones data/MMS (because it is missing the DMU stuff), couldn't we just load a Verizon PRI, PRL, DMU and then call *228 to activate for good measure? Wouldn't that now turn on our phone into a 'verizon phone?' -- as long as they'll take/activate an Alltel ESN/MEID, this doesn't seem like it'd be an issue.

I guess I'll have my own tests to conduct once I get switched over to Verizon. Seemingly, this all happens next week for me.

Yeah I know. I'm pretty frustrated myself if this is true. Who is up for a class action lawsuit if it is?

[codybear]

Originally Posted by ksg

None of this makes any sense to me. How are they stripping out SMS which is part of the signaling/control channel? That is part of the CDMA/CDMA2000 standard.

Even if they didn't allow our Alltel phones data/MMS (because it is missing the DMU stuff), couldn't we just load a Verizon PRI, PRL, DMU and then call *228 to activate for good measure? Wouldn't that now turn on our phone into a 'verizon phone?' -- as long as they'll take/activate an Alltel ESN/MEID, this doesn't seem like it'd be an issue.

I guess I'll have my own tests to conduct once I get switched over to Verizon. Seemingly, this all happens next week for me.

They won't take the ESN/MEID,
that's the problem.
If you can't get them to put it in their database, then you either clone a phone or you're screwed.

Originally Posted by MrObvious

Yeah I know. I'm pretty frustrated myself if this is true. Who is up for a class action lawsuit if it is?

Thats what I mentioned a while back,
but I got called out for being a VIP thinking I was "above" everyone else and that I thought I should get "special" treatment.
Anyone care to call out mrobvious or am I just receiving special treatment by all you out there? haha.

But I'm up for a class action lawsuit.

[Erythros]

Originally Posted by codybear

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Well I came from xda broseph.
There are alot more technical things over there and alot more technical breakdowns.
All the freeware apps that are here or anything else developed by a person in their free time was done so by someone over at xda, and then reposted here either by them but the majority of the time by someone else.
Therefore, xda database > ppcgeeks database.

I too visit this one daily.
Along with about 10 other ones.
Alot more technical ones than this site.

It's funny how people didn't try and call me out like this till I was a VIP.
Didn't happen till then.
Take the ****in title if you want.
I don't care to be VIP.
It in no way affects me or my posts.

It's funny how just because I'm vip now
(just happened less than 4 days ago)
you call me out, all the other people that say the same thing I do are not getting called out.
What gives..... jealous?

And obviously you don't see all the posts then.
Or even most posts.....If so, then you'd see vip's call people out like I did.
Alot of them.
You'd also see it behind closed doors where it happens alot more,
but you can't access those areas, and I don't believe in doing it behind people's backs.


Well if you want to get technical on length,
I can pull out my other more technical phone websites that I visit and kill that dispute.
And I'm not mean simply on that.
Obviously you didn't read everything now did ya?....
I'm not ruining it, technically YOU are for bringing up a dead argument and butting in a argument with someone else. You were not even involved in this....


Much effort?
Google is two characters less than ppcgeeks
One click is alot easier than clicking a bunch of buttons to make a new post or search posts here.
I don't think that takes much effort at all.
And if they don't search, I usually post links to other threads that have the answer.
Obviously you didn't read this thread or you'd know that, and know other things I do to help.
And isn't a forum here for people to read other people's problems/mods/hacks/etc and learn how to do them....
Funny how everything comes back to reading, isn't it?

I've returned that favor when I was still a brand new person on the Pocket pc scene.
I would search people's question on google, and find it for them.
It wouldn't take me long at all.
Again, if you read the rest of this thread, specifically my posts in it, you'd realize that now wouldn't you....


He was talking about what he could do with his verizon/alltel problems.
Didn't mention anything about switching carriers.
Yes, the person could post
I like sprint for these reasons,
not simple "switch to sprint" that everyone posts EVERYWHERE for ANY phone problem when the OP is not on sprint.
Therefore, it gets RIDICULOUS to have it as a solution for everything.
Switching to sprint doesn't solve every phone problem,
if it did, then what would you sprint people do if you had a problem,
that's to say if you sprint people even had a problem (as if it solved everything then you shouldn't have one).
I don't care if MANY members like their sprint service.
If someone was asking if they would like to switch and what carriers are good, etc, then yea, post "switch to sprint" but be detailed like I stated above by saying something along the lines of I like sprint because blah blah blah, I get really good service/coverage/etc.
Not just switch to sprint because that does not help ONE BIT
in helping the original poster decide if he would want to switch.

"could have answered service questions and serve as a decision maker for this poster"
He didn't even post anything besides switch to sprint.
there's no helpful parts there, no service questions, no nothing.
He hasn't even been back to this thread.
He was just looking for a place to say switch to sprint.
Heck he's prolly works in a sprint store and sells phones for commission.
Atleast that's what I get by his post.

I could sit here and do this alllllll night long.

I wouldn't have cared if he had gone into the least bit of detail of why the OP should have switched to sprint, but yet, he just said switch to sprint.
That does nothing but waste the OP time, PPCGeeks bandwith, a valuable spot on the thread for a better answer, and both of our times as this discussion wouldn't be happening.

Again, no one seemed to care before I was VIP, now that I'm VIP I guess I just have a big head and go around hunting for posts to call out.
haha.

If you would have read "most" of the posts, then you would have seen one of the countless number of posts I have made in the vogue section helping people. If you're at xda, in the vogue section, and a few other sections, you would also see the countelss number of helpful posts I've made.
So you can't play it off that I don't give back to the ppc community.

Another thing, if sprint is sooooooooo good, then why was it relying on the pre to bring itself back into the game and actually get people to join sprint?
The only good comments I heard for the past few years were about the prices/sero plans.

This was a dead horse, and you brought it back to life full force.

I'm done with you, and the other people that keep calling me out because I'm VIP. It's retarted. Didn't happen AT ALL before I was a VIP.
But now, because I am one, and I'd rather not even be one,
I get ripped a new one for being a vip because I have actually helped out people and gave back to the community? How the heck does that work?


But I'm done with this thread.
we all don't need to get banned or get this thread closed or keep off topic discussion going as I'm sure the OP doesn't appreciate it much.

First, my apologies to the OP, my hope is that all answers provided by all members provide some insight to your issue.....
Next,
Seriously?
Broseph,

For the sake of a shorter than needed post I am not even going to waste my time extending this longer than it needs to by rebutting your entirely overdone off-point rebuttal, you obviously didn't pay attention.
You missed the majority of the point......

Maybe you get called out as a VIP because you specifically "stated" here and in other posts you were a VIP, I guess because it makes you feel better about yourself, just before berating someone else as if you are now a forum GOD with an almighty know-it-all voice of authority.

I had previously looked at your other posts and you have been fairly helpful over the course of the past six months, and the thanks you have received indicate how helpful you have been.

I too hate that I am involved in an off topic discussion, and I figured you would at least get the point to not be so heavy handed to the fanboys or newbies with your new found AUTHORITY/POWER!!! It is because of fanboys that these forums exist in the first place just as you are a fanboy of your beloved Touch Pro as you often state in your posts, sometimes off-topic. Let ye who has never gone off-topic cast the first stone.

You obviously couldn't wait for the POWER!!!! Quoting you from another post....

"I'll be on here a little later trying to acheive my VIP status. haha
I only have like 60 more to go.
Hopefully I'll be able to join ya there sometime today/tomorrow. "


My whole point from the beginning was I was nicely stating don't be an A$$ to the other "lesser" members, even if their input is all of switch to X carrier. If you want to be a good VIP inform these mortals to just elaborate on their statement without berating them. This is your role.

And ummm.. <Cough> also came from XDA almost 3 years ago <cough>
/also visit other ppc sites. (More than 7).

/Done with you

[codybear]

Originally Posted by Erythros

First, my apologies to the OP, my hope is that all answers provided by all members provide some insight to your issue.....
Next,
Seriously?
Broseph,

For the sake of a shorter than needed post I am not even going to waste my time extending this longer than it needs to by rebutting your entirely overdone off-point rebuttal, you obviously didn't pay attention.
You missed the majority of the point......

Maybe you get called out as a VIP because you specifically "stated" here and in other posts you were a VIP, I guess because it makes you feel better about yourself, just before berating someone else as if you are now a forum GOD with an almighty know-it-all voice of authority.

I had previously looked at your other posts and you have been fairly helpful over the course of the past six months, and the thanks you have received indicate how helpful you have been.

I too hate that I am involved in an off topic discussion, and I figured you would at least get the point to not be so heavy handed to the fanboys or newbies with your new found AUTHORITY/POWER!!! It is because of fanboys that these forums exist in the first place just as you are a fanboy of your beloved Touch Pro as you often state in your posts, sometimes off-topic. Let ye who has never gone off-topic cast the first stone.

You obviously couldn't wait for the POWER!!!! Quoting you from another post....

"I'll be on here a little later trying to acheive my VIP status. haha
I only have like 60 more to go.
Hopefully I'll be able to join ya there sometime today/tomorrow. "


My whole point from the beginning was I was nicely stating don't be an A$$ to the other "lesser" members, even if their input is all of switch to X carrier. If you want to be a good VIP inform these mortals to just elaborate on their statement without berating them. This is your role.

And ummm.. <Cough> also came from XDA almost 3 years ago <cough>
/also visit other ppc sites. (More than 7).

/Done with you

you know, I had a big thing here that would only keep it going.
look at my posts on this thread since my last response to you about how they should elaborate more so than just stating that, then I would consider it a valid response. Otherwise, it's just as off topic as this.

One thing I just wanted to comment on though, the only reason I mentioned the vip thing(which wasn't even in this thread) was because the person before me did, and stated something to me about becoming a vip, so I mentioned something to him about that.
Only time I mention being a vip, other than in this stupid argument.

Lastly. 99.9% of the stuff I say, I say out of fun, to get laughter. You may read it and not pick up on that, as everyone has a different sense of humor, but 99.9% of the stuff I say in my entire life is sarcastic.
so lets all just relax now and put this stupid argument to an end.