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Unflushablelog

11-14-2008 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hibby50 (Post 519601)

And another thing, PPCs are not advertised thoroughly and we are of a minority. It means that we cannot just whip out out phones and people go whoa a Pro. It means we have to explain to them, one by one. :D

I agree, and they always react positively in person. The more people know about our phones, the more the demand will grow... and then sprint will bring us ALL the nice htc phones.

motorpsycho

11-14-2008 04:50 PM

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na, i don't love my phone. It was the best thing sprint had in their line up at the time. All WM phones are a hassle, and the end user experience is poor. Thats the nature of the beast. What you get in return is the best customizeablity (is that a word?) and expandability of any phone on the market, and low cost (compared to iphone at least)

But compared to HARDWARE manufacturers like Sony (N95 etc) and the Apple (iphone), HTC hardware and quality control is second rate.

Unflushablelog

11-14-2008 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nagual (Post 519641)

The basic issue here is fairness and not "talking out of your bum."

I am a mostly happy TP owner but that doesn't mean I need to talk smack about the iPhone. I'm sure I'd love the iPhone if I used one, and know people who do, but I just don't want to be an evil AT&T customer (now THEY are worth bashing!) and get raped on my monthly plan, so I make do with this phone, and am really impressed.

I understand the need for the thread though because it's true that unfortunately there are a lot of unthinking Apple fanbois who simply won't accept that Apple is best always or that the competition could ever be better in any way.

But my advice is, speaking softly, don't be guilty of the same thing that the opposition is doing. There's no need to call Apple "crap," the iPhone a "joke" etc. Especially if you haven't been fair and tried one yet. (That's what those knee-jerk iPhone fans are doing in some of their TP reviews--so don't copy them.)

I agree. At first, it may anger some of us and we may react inappropriately, but once that resides all of us should speak levelheadedly in order to get proper word out. That's why i edited original post from what it was last night. We can have our voices heard tastefully and with respect. We can compare the tp with major competitors, but we don't need to do it in a negative manner... All we have to do is state the facts and people will gain interest in phones like these. I was almost turned away from winmo phones because of the negative things i heard.. but i'm glad i took a gamble.

Unflushablelog

11-14-2008 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by motorpsycho (Post 519667)

But compared to HARDWARE manufacturers like Sony (N95 etc) and the Apple (iphone), HTC hardware and quality control is second rate.

well you have a right to your opinion... you should try and get out of your contract if you're truly dissatisfied. I've been able to get out in the past without fees. Some people prefer phones like the iPhone over winmo devices.. that's great, it works for them. But for most of us on this site, we love our wm devices. But keep in mind HTC is responsible for most of the winmo phones out there, whether carriers choose to stamp htc on the name or not (like the sony xperia x1 and the google phone) - so they must be doing something right.
If i didn't discover ppcgeeks/xda when i bought my mogul, i might have jumped to something else. But after discovering this underworld, i quickly became addicted to wm based devices.

lipidfats

11-14-2008 06:58 PM

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"If this phone was a woman it would be my new wife..."
http://www.cnet.com/profile/phelony503/?tag=userReviews%253bsummaryList
LOL I think that title is pretty funny.

Dr.8820

11-14-2008 07:06 PM

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the bar i go watch my steelers at has a guy with an iphone. we both did a test and my vogue beat his hands down. when he got the new iphone, the vogue beat him again. now when i showed him the pro, he put his iphone in his pocket! go sprint and htc!!

Exil3d

11-14-2008 07:34 PM

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I have a friend that has a iphone3g. I showed him my Pro and he liked it. He played with it for a while and said he still likes his iphone. I asked for the main reaons. He said even thou the Pro screen is crisper and has a better viewing angle.. he preffers his iphone screen due to its size. I asked for another reason. He showed me his games in which did runs alot smoother. I asked him for something that he liked about the Pro. He said that he really is impressed on the vga screen and how the center buttom acts as a zoom. Thats the 2 only things he liked. Understand he is a die hard i-sheep and will sacrifice his left and right nut is needed to save the iphone from any danger. I did show him the keyboard and said.. " God damn, you need a chicken beak for that thing".

ACHlLLES

11-14-2008 07:51 PM

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You have to show off things like skyfire. That'll impress em.

hibby50

11-14-2008 07:52 PM

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i fonz and s2u2 are my showoffs

phistyle

11-14-2008 08:34 PM

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pssshhh...iphone is sexy....if the iphone came to sprint I would buy it in a heartbeat.........and no I'm not going to go to AT&T to get the iphone...I don't choose carriers by phones, but by service and I love sprint's service and plans so touch pro it is but if the iphone did come to sprint I would choose it over the touch pro...

Unflushablelog

11-14-2008 08:43 PM

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heh i like to show them slingbox and how the phone really does act like a computer with all the different apps we have to change the interface. Iphone users that have windows computers love the customizing of wm phones.

whatever happened to iswish/izoom anyway?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwWBOZ9ekEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPt7...eature=related

EDGE23

11-14-2008 09:12 PM

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wtf??? iphone better than TP??? bbbbsssssss,, if they were talking bb vs TP then itd be a whole different story. =P

Dr.8820

11-14-2008 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by phistyle (Post 520150)

sprint has an iphone type: the instinct. but you can't add anything on it unless it's an sprint store app( just like the iphone and at&t store). the pro is very upgradable.

Unflushablelog

11-14-2008 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mr8820 (Post 520219)

sprint has an iphone type: the instinct. but you can't add anything on it unless it's an sprint store app( just like the iphone and at&t store). the pro is very upgradable.

some people are happy with that though... the iPhone does what it does very well... in fact, if sprint got the iphone and i wanted another line.. i MIGHT get one - but it just doesn't fit most of us here at ppcgeeks
oh, and the instinct was a joke lol... but i guess if you think about it.. all these phones are nice considering what we had a few years ago. can't wait to see what's going to be out in a few more years.

phistyle

11-14-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Unflushablelog (Post 520242)

yes indeed...phones are getting better and better all the time...I remember my very first cell phone in 2000...it was a samsung phone with a greenish blacklight that looked like a microwave and color phones wasn't even out yet then got the very first phone with a camera..the samsung phone that had an attachable camera (forgot model #) boy was that a waste of money...

Baffles

11-14-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spuzzum (Post 518238)

I think the iphone is a half decent build but it lacks with the :
-cut and paste--****ty cam,with no video--no Voice activated calling--
--If you want to run full internet, you're going to have to run an Intel-based architecture
--have to send it away for a couple of weeks to change the battery
--if apple doesn't like the software you're putting on the device then it will be disabled.(draconian)
--No MMS(Send or receive pictures through text messages)
--not delivering 3g signal very often(if u promise high speed, then deliver), lawsuits pending.
--No speed dial--No Java--Allow you to abbreviate in text messages
--No call recording--
In Canada, you must submit to a 3-year jail sentence to get one
no In-Call and regular Voice Recording
You can’t even customize your main screen to post notes; change around
icons--you [SIZE=small]Use an mp3 of your choice for its ringtone--
--doesn't [/size]Sort your recent INCOMING / OUTGOING calls separately
--blocks hotmail--Can’t select specific ring tone for unknown callers--
--No horizontal keyboard mode---Can’t empty email box with one click
--No flash--no tabbed browsing
--no camera flash--No optical, digital zoom--
--O, and if you unlock it, none of the official “apple store” aps will work
--$60 for a data plan that offers only 400 MB--i pay 7bucks for unlimited, as much as I can use both ways.(total calling bill is 37$...buddies iphone through rogers is 150+ a month....you do the math.
--I could go on and on about some of the ungodlike things about this phone but i would probably burn out the internet.In the end i can watch all my cable tv unbuffered to my phone in the boonies, as long as i have a dial tone(no use for driving around looking for wifi....can you hear me now?) via my computer, tether it to a laptop or computer. Gps lock in four seconds.Basically my htc is totally awesome. Do you see how much homebrew is available for these phones?...what you can do with them? Like i said the iphone is a nice build but you have to weigh the issues and the hype.
:scratch:

I'm prolly late to the party here, but I have to chime in. You sir, are pretty much wrong on a lot of accounts.

Not to defend the iPhone here, I don't really like it myself, but I will give it credit where credit is due. First of all, WTF are you talking about with "full internet" on intel based architecture? And how is this different from the touch pro? Both are ARM devices, so your argument fails. Not even sure what point you want to make.

Next, you can jailbreak and run whatever you want without Apple controlling you. Yes its a crappy approach, but it does work.

You can change around icons on the home screen. You can use a song as a ringtone.

Not sure about it blocking hotmail, I don't see why/how it would though.

There is horizontal and vertical keyboard modes, just depends on the app.

If you jailbreak, appstore still works just fine. Data plan is just as unlimited as our Sprint data plans, now adays.

There is a lot of homebrew on the iPhone too, you just have to have half a brain and be unbiased about it. I would take the Touch Pro over the iPhone any day, but the iPhone isnt quite as bad as you make it out to be. You sound just like those reviewers on cnet saying TouchPro/Sprint don't have 3G in your post.

Unflushablelog

11-15-2008 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Baffles (Post 520427)

You sound just like those reviewers on cnet saying TouchPro/Sprint don't have 3G in your post.

I know we all love our TPs over iPhones, but someone's gotta say it.... /\/\owned/\/\

beefcakeb0

11-15-2008 12:59 AM

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theyr advertising the iphone on ppcgeeks lol ...........and i swear on my touch pro that sprints commercial just said everybody deserves a 3g network...yadayada the new rant on the sprint 3g network

AB33	11-15-2008 01:11 AM

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Posted my very positive CNET review about 2 weeks ago...LOL

Success100

11-15-2008 01:19 AM

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heres my take:

Everyone keeps bashing the iPhone..why? anyone in here who says the iPhone sucks is just plain smoking something. It has a huge high res screen(not vga but close enough), is crazy responsive, and does everything its designed to do damn near perfect. No, its not as customizable as WM, but they traded that for a cool UI that rarely freezes, is useful, and intuitive.

Think about it like this. WHat if Sprint had the exclusive rights to the iPhone, how many of u would be bashing then? All im saying the iPhone is an excellent device. Its doin so well for a reason. Even with AT&T's ridiculously lousy coverage and outrageous data/voice packages

Now, with that being said, any one who knows me here knows im a purebred, diehard, WM fanboy. I have used iPhones, I use the diamond myself, and mess with TP's all day, and all 3 are revolutionary devices. But i would NEVER go so far as to rate the TP a half a star, even with its issues, because its one of the best WM devices ever created

There is NO WAY IN H3LL CNET COULD GIVE THE TP A HALF OF A STAR OUT OF 5. Bonnie Cha, is actually that, a big effing Bonnie Cha. Lol, shes a moron. The TP has its bugs, as the diamond, and Iphone do, but they are all amazing. Yes, the Iphone has both beat when it comes to usability, but we all know our WM devices can wipe the floor with an iphone when it comes to raw capability.

I do think that CNET it a VERY biased unfair company when it comes to rating mainstream devices. Its almost sick its like Apple pays them to endorse it. lol.

Hell, i dont even know why people compare an iPhone to a windows mobile phone, thats not even comparing apples to apples.

ANyways, im done babbling, im getting mad about this nonsense. Which aint good 4 me. lol

Unflushablelog

11-15-2008 01:51 AM

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true, the iPhone is indeed a solid phone, it's just not our shot of rum.
and CNET's bias is evident (not just the random reviewers that fake post).. just look what they've given all the big htc devices that came out http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phone-r...col;srt&rpp=50
Mogul, touch diamond/pro, g1, touch, and sony xperia x1 all received a 3.5... they cannot say the pro deserves the same rating as the mogul (i'm in heaven right now compared to when i had my mogul) - that's just insane... you know what makes them even more of a hypocrite? They gave the tilt a 4! Okay so the tilt came out a couple months after the mogul and had improved features... so what happened between the tilt and the touch pro? Why would the rating go down when all the features have been improved? It's madness i tell you, madness. Hell, the centro even got 3.5 stars... anyone wanna trade their pro in for the palm centro? i mean... they got the same rating, so they must be equal right? They can give the iPhone (that had many problems at launch, also when they reviewed it) and blackberryies 4 stars, but can't give WM work horses like the pro/diamond 4s? I will not be surprised if they give the Touch HD less than 4 stars... Then again maybe their bias lies within sprint/cdma phones.. hmmm.

jethro_static

11-15-2008 01:52 AM

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I am really keeping my cool about the ignorance about Iphone.

I am a WM Poweruser. And I am a hardcore Iphone user too.

I am Proud owner WM device and Iphone.

just a little more push and I will be all over ur ignorance.

ACHlLLES

11-15-2008 01:59 AM

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Both pretty good IMO. I do love the screen on iphone more though just because it's bigger.

I just bought a tv tuner so I can try it on orb on my iphone. Can't wait!

Was getting kind of sick of waiting on sling on iphone.

If Iphone had cut/paste,slingbox, and skyfire, it be near perfect. It's still hard to swallow I pay about double of SERO for ATT for lesser service though.

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ACHlLLES (Post 520660)

If Iphone had cut/paste,slingbox, and skyfire, it be near perfect. It's still hard to swallow I pay about double of SERO for ATT for lesser service though.

I was gonna mention this parts but U beat me to it. Thanks I do not have to do that.

Unflushablelog

11-15-2008 02:02 AM

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Play nice jethro, nobody's attacking you - none of us are going out giving the iPhone half a star rating.

Baffles

11-15-2008 02:02 AM

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Well, lack of sling shows the one major problem with the App Store. Apparantly slingplayer for iPod/iPhone is done, Apple won't allow it to be released though.

ACHlLLES

11-15-2008 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Baffles (Post 520665)

Well, lack of sling shows the one major problem with the App Store. Apparantly slingplayer for iPod/iPhone is done, Apple won't allow it to be released though.

I wouldn't say never. Orb was recently released, and I'm giving it a try.

Going to cost me another 10 bucks for orb, 120 for tuner though. How's Orb tv compared to slingbox anyone?

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Unflushablelog (Post 520664)

Play nice jethro, nobody's attacking you - none of us are going out giving the iPhone half a star rating.

I will list the ignorance.
1. the most hilarious, TP had half a star. People start bashing the Iphone. HAHAHA. What has Iphone gotta do with it? Attack the reviewer if his/her review is biased because he owns an Iphone.

2.Tricked out TP being compared to out of the box Iphone. HAHAHA

4.TP does not have any problems out of the box

3.Non iphone owners saying bad things about the Iphone like they own one. HAHAHA. U will try the Iphone but U will never see it's power by just trying it.

4. People list every flaws thay can think of the Iphone so they can feel better for their phone. Tell U what, of all the flaws of Iphone listed, Did ur TP improved it's performance? Nope, It's the same.

5. Nobody compared TP or any other WM devices hardware to hardware with the Iphone. I know why, Because U will see how powerful the Iphone is.

The list will just go on and on. Tell U what people, The difference between me and U is I come here to gain knowledge and to be a part of WM development. I did not come here to brag about the Iphone nor I did not come here to bash the Iphone comportably knowing I will get a lot of sympathy. I can hold myself pretty well.

If U wanna start, Start with the hardware. Compare the hardware and lets see.

Baffles

11-15-2008 02:18 AM

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Yeah, you won't find too awful much difference between the two hardware wise.

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:22 AM

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I want the Iphone haters to list it tho. I want it to come from them. so no bias on my side. But to give U an idea. Iphone has 620mhz CPU. The fastest released WM device is 528mhz. It's not that much yeah. But 620mhz of CPU of the Iphone is already in there 2 years ago.

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:29 AM

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Tell U what people, U have all the right to defend ur phones. Nobody is taking that away from U. But defending ur phone does not necessaily means that U have to bash other phones and claiming false accusasiotions about other phones to look like ur phone is on top.

Baffles

11-15-2008 02:31 AM

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iPhone has faster CPU, nicer screen (as far as touch response goes), is way thinner, Touch Pro has more ram, resolution, hardware keyboard, microsd slot. Those are the only differences I can think of right now.

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Baffles (Post 520717)

All true. Iphone does not need a lot of ram because the OS is optimized to the fullest to have the less ram consumption as posible. KB is user preference because even if U put the best hardware keyboard on the Phone, It will not make 6.9 million sold in 156 days. MicroSD slot is actually a downgrade. People will ask why? HAHAHA. A microSD card reader cost only 5 bucks.they just integrate it in the phone. HTC want's U to buy ur own card which U pay for urself but is unstable than the built-in Storage. How many people have their MicroSD card corrupt in here? Storage cards are disposable.

Baffles

11-15-2008 02:41 AM

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microSd is nice because you can keep your storage when you change phones instead of having to spend hours resyncing the iPhone. And you can easily upgrade and change the amount, and swap out cards if you need different stuff.

I would rather have a full size sd slot myself. I'm sure there is room for it, or at least a mini SD slot, under our battery cover. Larger sized cards are cheaper, and higher capacity.

Unflushablelog

11-15-2008 02:43 AM

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Jethro, you do have some points, but bashing unbiased/innocent iPhone users was never the intent. It was always about balancing out what the just as ignorant users did towards our device of choice. It's more about defense than offense. I think most of us know how good the iPhone is, but the majority here also clearly prefer WM devices over the iPhone - so people are going to say negative things.
We don't really need any arguments in here though, it's just about supporting the Touch Pro and i think a lot of us did just that. I understand that you're angry, but you sort of come off as hostile since nobody was even attacking you personally. Some are just bothered about the opposition being extremely biased with their ratings. If you want to argue, there are comparison forums. Glad you are hardcore about both wm and iPhones though, it shows your openmindedness. Just remember you're in a touch pro forum in a touch pro thread. Feel free to correct, but please try not to start anything. I can't help but feel you're looking for a fight in here with the way you've been replying.

On a side note (since you'd know), i know about the 620mhz, but is it true it's underclocked to 400 something by default? just curious...

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unflushablelog (Post 520731)

Me start fighting? LOL how can I fight in the internet? Me attacking? More than half of the people here are the true attackers of a device that cannot defend itself. Ur right, where on the TP forum. SO why ur topic is all about the iphone? PS. pls read ur own sig to see who's looking for a fight.

400hhz is the ipod touch.

Unflushablelog

11-15-2008 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 520735)

You're definitely missing the point here because you seem to be letting it get to you personally. It's about support, i won't say it again. If you noticed, it says to keep it tasteful multiple times in the op. if you don't agree, you could always just leave you know... otherwise it just looks like you're trying to start arguments, which nobody has tried to do with you. Just let it go man. None of us are going into iPhone forums looking to argue.

jethro_static

11-15-2008 02:57 AM

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Before I go and Since I'm already here. I would let U know guys. Iphone can handle 1080P video. No WM device can do that yet. Why? because WM does not have a decoder. Now, don't go all over the internet and look for a decoder for WM devices to download. LOL. Decoder is a hardware. U have to have an HD decoder to play 1080P video. if ur curious whats the resolution of 1080P? it's 1920x1080. Now people will say it's useless coz Iphone only have 3.5 inch display and it's cable can handle only up to 480P. Well here is the solution:

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/395563...1220675143.jpg

jethro_static

11-15-2008 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Unflushablelog (Post 520740)

Now ur lying. I see ur post bashing Iphone left and right freely. then when an Iphone user post, U slow down. Then U go bashing Iphone again. Cmon dude. read ur post and do not put ur finger on me. i've been here long enough. I got in trouble a few times and I know the rules quite well. U keep on pointing at me. I will tell U now. I am not looking for a fight. I am here to correct the false claims about the Iphone in a mature manner.

Unflushablelog

11-15-2008 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jethro_static (Post 520746)

This isn't a comparison thread dude, it's a support thread for us touch pro users. i noticed that you don't even have a touch pro. Seriously, what do you get out of being here? If it bothers you so much just don't read it... there are others in here who correct people in a less condescending manner and i respect that. Calling people liars and making threats of being "all over" someone's "ignorance," that's not being mature at all. If you've actually read some of my posts you'd also see that i've repeatedly said the iPhone is good at what it does and it's a solid phone. I've talked to the moderator and he agrees that this thread has the ability to do good for touch pro supporters. I've adjusted my original post a while ago to try to ensure people keep it cool and they've done that since the thread reopened. That post baffles replied to was from last night, so you really should just move on since you clearly aren't in support of what we're trying to do here.

They're just opinions and this thread will die out soon enough anyway, let the touch pro owners shine in their own forum. Try not to let a few jokes made by people ruin your day. If people want to know more about the iPhone i'll be sure to send them to you, but most of here just want to support our phones in peace, Thanks.

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