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Apple Apple Apple .. Tsk Tsk Tsk

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I wouldn't have ever had the iPhone in the first place ;)
And that's the truth.
Is there a point you're trying to make with these questions? or are you just curious?
I believe the iPhone doesn't deserve an $80 bill. The touch pro, with its functionality, could go up in price and still retain my loyalty.
I don't hate the iPhone. I think it works well for what it is allowed to do. If i rated it for what it is, i wouldn't go around giving it a 1/5 rating like some appleheads are doing for the TP. If sprint finally gets a cdma iPhone, i'd possibly use it on another line; but i'm a wm user until it goes down into the ground.

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U have a biased answer too. 30 bucks a month on Iphone and U'll pass. It's hard to believe that. So now, I hope some guys have an idea whys some reviews are biased.

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believe it. i pass because of the features. you're totally missing the point. the touch pro features make me want this phone over the iPhone. it's not because of hatred for apple or anything like that. it's not being biased at all. Like I said, I wouldn't rate the iPhone a 1 like these appleheads are doing. Now that's being biased.. i'd give it a true rating on what the phone does. It's a good phone, but it doesn't have the features that I've been impressed with when using wm on the touch pro. I don't think anyone sees your point that you're trying to make. You sorta just sound kinda bitter...

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agreed which was my point too shooting back with childish posts, especially calling people idiots and d-bags and thick as your mother is just as immature as the .5 star reviews.

People are free to like w/e phone they want to- thats why we have choices. you dont like the iphone, great, they dont like WM either so youre even. I dont know why people feel a need to justify their purchase to another crowd. Let them talk their crap, reviews on Cnet arent going to stop WM deveoplers from making programs, thats a BS excuse answer to justify acting immature. I HIGHLY doubt those 4 or 5 people who gave .5 stars represent the millions of iphone users as well. Dont use them to be a WM marter thats silly its just an OS not life or death

Look at phonedog, Noah's a great reviewer and usually pretty dang fair and his con on the Fuze (ATT Pro) was he doesnt like WM. Simple as that- not everyone likes WM or else they wouldnt only have a 14-15% or w.e marketshare, itd be 100. And not everyone who has an iphone is an "applehead" or "fanboy" it does do music and video better than any other device out there flat out and thats all some people want. There are a lot of generalizations being floated around here.

Going there to write a good review to tell the truth is fine but calling others names is ridiculously childish and doesnt make the WM users and more mature than these apple people you all call immature and stupid- and eye for an eye solves nothing so show some class when representing WM then

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Let the apple lovers be... I have a shiny touch pro that gets looks every time I pull it out, and no one else has one. That's because every trendy douchbag has a really cool iphone. I kinda prefer being of the elite minority that really knows what a mobile "phone" should do...

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sprinttouch, i agree that people have their opinions and it shouldn't matter. I don't necessarily take this too seriously, but I believe the whole point is that these people are deliberately rating a phone extremely low and it's kinda absurd that they'd go out of their way to do that. It might not matter to you, but some of us aren't going to stand for it. Now if we were the ones going out and rating the iPhone a 1 to begin with then it would be a different story. Even after the fact, i'm still not doing that. I just want the TP to get the recognition is deserves. They don't have to be perfect ratings, but 1 star? PLEASE.
They should be genuine.

Some people speak with class, some don't.. don't judge. They didn't go out and start it. It started with audacity of reviewing a phone that isn't even on their carrier - talking about 3g?! are you kidding me. they're clearly not with sprint.
Either way the point needs to be made that those reviews are clearly bs. Sure it'd be nice if counter-reviews were made w/o mentioning iPhone users, but we can't control how people get their points across.

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I have a Touch Pro but i have an iPhone at my constant disposal and it is a great phone for gaming and such but it is over controlled by apple. as others have said it is a smartphone for dummies as it is not very business oriented. I honestly would pick a Touch Pro any day of the week. i love my Touch Pro but im not gonna go around bashing people that own an iPhone beause in its own respect it is a pretty cool phone.

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no ones denying any of that buts my point is more that its ridiculous how personally some people take this- its not like someone knocked up your sister is a freaking phone OS! Some people REALLY need to get over it or get off the computer if theyre that worried about what someone says about their precious cell phone OS on both sides of this, not just here

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I have the exact same feelings. I have been in many comparisons of phones with iPhone users from the time i have had my mogul to the time i have had my Touch Pro and each time i leave them sitting there in envy.

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i think you said that pretty well...
i don't go out of the way to call innocent iPhone users names or argue with them and i definitely don't go out rating their iPhone a 1 (because i agree, it's a good phone just not what i'm interested in). If people don't have pride in their Touch Pro that's fine, but for those of us that do... they should be able to speak their mind and balance out the ratings.

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I totally agree. Some people out there are insecure with themselves and the things they do. I personally am very confident in the purchase I made of this phone especially since i can work and develop this thing into a sleek well working machine that is personalized completely to me and how I like things. People get upset when someone says something bad about your phone dont take it personally take it as either ignorance or jealousy. Now if someone personally attacks a friend or something then fine get angry and do something about it but people it is a Phone and most members of this site know more about there phones then a lot of iPhone users ever will. If someone tried to put down my phone i would just be like you didnt purchase did you. I text alot during class and everyone that has seen my phone has loved it and wants one even Iphone users. There will always be Immature people out there but most of us here are responsible people who are at this site for a common purpose, and that is to better the user experience of these phones not to bash users of other phones all those who are bashing iPhone users please get a hold of yourselves regain your composure and get back to what we are here to do.

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Guys, I carry an iPhone 3g and a Touch Pro everyday. What does that make me?

I value both devices for their strengths. As for others who have to prove their phone is superior, I'd say its time to look carefully at their own self-worth and why even some of it is tied up in a phone. Seriously.

What does it diminish one if a bunch of Mac obsessed losers have to defend their precious iPhone against any even perceived threat? Let it go, and smile every time you don't have to re-type data into another app on your iPhone, using the magic of cut and paste, or your phone acts as a wireless high speed mobile router, or any other of the amazing highly extensible things one can do with Windows Mobile.

edit: Didn't see the two well written posts above while I was composing this. Should have refreshed first.

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I admit the iphone looks great and is very simple..

I am the only one in my workplace that doesn't have an iphone..

When we were at lunch yesterday, I was talking to an uber-apple-fanboy about the iphone.. I told him he was in the matrix, that everything he thinks he knows about apple isn't true at all, and they the apple fan base isn't "thinking different" (to quote their old slogan) because they are all exactly the same.. You can't modify or customize or multitask on the iphone at all, every one of them are exactly the same.. He put his fingers in his ears and started saying "la la la I'm not listening"..

I would love for someone to write a program for WM that will somehow jam an i-phone through wifi or the cell radio or something.. That way I can press a button and the iphones in the vacinity suddenly don't work anymore.. That would be great..!

-Matthew

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Why do any of us rate any product on a website? To give an accurate review of the product we bought and tested, so that others can learn from our purchases. That way, those people can make a better decision on buying a product. This is what this thread is about. Take back the respect that HTC should earn with this phone. If you disagree on making the reviews right, then you obviously don't get it. I'm not saying everyone should go out and give it 5 stars, but it should not be getting half a star by someone that's not even with sprint and doesn't know what evdo is. It's neat to own a unique piece of tech, but the higher the demand, the better our devices will get. If htc devices were more popular, maybe we'd be sitting with a CDMA Touch Hd right now, instead of the touch pro. Who knows? Sprint may even stray away from offerring so many business phones, if they finally get the iPhone. Where will that leave us?
On a side note, before this thread even started.. there was a review made on there that had the title ""Just another asian joke!!!!!!!!" with of course, a half star rating.
We didn't start it, we're ending it... at least on our turf - the reviews for the Sprint Touch Pro.
I will do one thing for people that can't handle people saying negative things about iPhone users.. in the first post, i'll request that everyone please keep reviews clean and tasteful as much as possible.

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That was the perfect way to sum it up! Very well put!

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iphone is a simple phone. It has all the shiny features without any of the real geek fun stuff to do. I love the fact that i can install custom roms on this phone. I'm itching for a new rom to make my phone run smoother than anyone else i know and tweak anything i want to make it run the way i want.

I hate itunes probably more than any other software out there. If any of you are using an ipod 5.5 or older go get yourself rockbox from www.rockbox.org so you don't have to use itunes and just drag and drop.

I'm the geek techy out of my friends and i've told them if any of em get an iphone i will disown them :). Iphone users have no idea about what we can do with the touch pro and how many customizations there are out there.

The day i get an iphone is the day mac goes open source :P

Now let me stop this rant before i get even more angry at these idiots

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HAHA true. I think their strongarm on their product is definitely holding the iPhone back from what it is capable of being. It's probably the reason why a lot of us stick with htc rather than jump to apple's phone.

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I wish all users would review things like this but the sad truth is there are antagonist in everything we do. I personally do not take petty things like someone disliking an object i have. I very rarely run into people trying to put down my device most of the time it is people curious about it, and most the time I have some free time and i sit there a little while and give them a little info about the device and refer them to this site to read up on it. Now as much as I have said dont take things personally I am not going to be a hypocrite and say I dont take things personally because I am actually going to out on a head hunt later tonight (its friday here) because someone has been giving my best friend crap and my best friend has a broken collar bone and a messed up shoulder. But honestly people its a device there is always gonna be haters out there we just have to acknowledge that and not take offense to the balls people grow over the internet and just let them have their own little fun. I believe all of us members of this respected site should not go out there bashing any devices.

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All we're doing is balancing the reviews, so novice users know the truth about this phone. I know a lot of people that check cnet's reviews when researching, so it's not for nothing. Advanced users that frequent sites like ppcgeeks know the truth, but newcomers that are looking for their first super phone need to be guided in the right direction. Everyone knows what the iPhone is capable of, people should also know how powerful wm phones can be. Our community will grow and development for WM phones could increase. I'm not taking it as seriously as some may think, i'm just trying to show support and back our choice of brand. Because wm devices aren't advertised very well, i could have easily missed out on phones like the mogul and touch pro. Thank god curiosity got the best of me.

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That my friend is a completely logical thing to do and yes i do believe that serves a purpose but what has no purpose are post like the first few in this thread. The only thing that will do is give us WinMo users a bad name. I for one did write a review describing the phone briefly and giving slight comparison to the iPhone on issues that are important to people in my age group. I for one believe one should be respectful until disrespected. now what you do beyond that depends on the situation and the type of person you are. Now this situation requires that us WinMo users hold ourselves to higher standard than the people who are running our devices down. if we really want to help this device out we will give a review of this device that is thorough and done in a decent manner. (summary) Yes please write a review of this device but do not bash any other devices in the process.

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This can go back and forth all day. I think its time we move on, or start a comparison thread in the comparison section if you want.

*I have decided to move this back after a convo with the OP. Keep it civil please :)

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Off Topic...Rockbox is the best! Anyone who has an iPod needs to load this software! I love it because it's compatible with virtually every music file (mainly use my iPod for loading Dave Matthews shows that come in FLAC format). Drag, Drop, Listen. No conversion!

On topic...2 words...hardware keyboard. Everyone that I know with an iPhone has to stumble over their fingers to get the right words pressed. I've got the keyboard down on the TP where I can type just like I'm typing to you now.

3G = Joke. AT&T's network blows for data. We have a BB curve for our IT help desk and after hours support and I hardly ever want to use it. The only reason I would go to GSM is if I'm out of the country...even then all my Sprint phones have worked just fine when traveling to Mexico a few times a year (will usually pick up a GSM rental if I'm in Europe or Asia -- CDMA usually doesn't work well there). I've never been in a spot where Sprint doesn't work...with the exception of rural areas driving from Phoenix to Vegas (and even then it's only for about 30-40 minutes without service).

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I'd love to show cnet a thing or two about ppc users. They officially gave the TP 3 and a half stars... that's what they gave the mogul! The TP performs much much better than my mogul ever did. Now they gave the iPhone 3g 4 stars on launch and we all know the huge problems iPhones had until the recent updates and the still lacking features of the phone. Reviewers of the iPhone responded by giving it 3 stars! Our tp users have given our phones 4 stars! I think it's obvious we're showing cnet a thing or two about reviewing...

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OK, I'm moving back here again. PLAY NICE, without the personal attacks this thread can do a lot of good, so lets see to it that both hold true

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Wow. I knew iPhone users were generally idiots! :D

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Lets thank pattycerts for giving this thread a second chance!
And remember to keep things clean and tasteful, we want to spread the good word about our phones, we don't need to bash iPhoners because they already know what they're missing.

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I had no clue I could circle a part of a picture on my Touch Pro and it would zoom in on it! I just tried it and was amazed, lol. That's flippin' sweet!

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For those who has SERO, all you need to tell the iFone fanboys is, "BEAT THE PLAN PRICE."

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ha, i have a feeling you'll be finding more and more great finds on your phone. make sure to check out the stickies at the top of the touch pro forum.
And if you have a chance please go to the cnet link and give a positive review of your phone and experience

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I am no iphone fan, in fact I hate apple and cringe everytime my daughter buys something on itunes. However, the overall poor quality of the HTC Touch Pro's, as evidenced by all the defect threads and posts, is good enough reason for people to stay away from this phone. Don't give HTC money for such horrible quality control.
I'm glad some of you are happy with your phones, and it's too bad some iphoners don't seem to give it a chance. But on the other hand, if I would have seen the cnet review before hand, it would have saved me a lot of grief buying this junky Touch Pro.

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I liked everything but the Jeep driving part. I love my Jeep but I would not touch an IPhone if there was a naked girl attached (well maybe then).

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i'm proud to report that we've about doubled the review total on cnet with nothing but positive reviews since this thread started less than a day ago. i know some may think it's pointless, but novice users and first time super phone adopters use sites like CNET and other commercial sites to base their decision. They don't know about sites like ppcgeeks/xda, so we need to do what we can to grow our community, so that we gain more developers and increase the demand for these phones.

I don't know about you guys, but i'd love to see phones like the Touch HD make its way to sprint.

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can the iphone function as a wireless access point or run slingbox? until it can, i don't really care about comparisons.

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I can't believe your all defending a phone that won't even charge while your talking on it.

seriously.

CMN.

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You don't have to like it, this is for tp owners that love and support the phone. It's also for people that are sick of PPCs not getting credit compared to the iPhone even though they can do so much. You don't have to think it's the greatest phone, but it's clearly not a half-star phone like the iPhoners and other haters were obnoxiously doing. I'm coming from a mogul and this is a huge improvement for me. We obviously think it's an improvement over our old phones.
If demand was higher for HTC devices, maybe we'd all be sitting with a cdma Touch HD right now. CNET's official review of the TP was 3 and a half stars, the same as the mogul. Don't know if you've owned the mogul, but not having to restart my device every couple hours and being lockup free is a great improvement and should deserve that extra half star up rating. It also has a nicer screen and is snappier. It's a lot more touch friendly than the stock mogul was with touchflo3d and apps like youtube. You can't blame us for being excited about this phone. I've never been more amused with a phone in my life!
Who knows, there could be a fix for the charging problem, that's why we love ppcgeeks/xda - they find a remedy for everything. The iPhone had huge problems when it launched (it couldn't even function as a phone), yet people were drooling over it. Stock Battery life has always been an issue with these devices.. it's what we put up with to do what we can on them.
I'm glad you're happy with your touch, but shouldn't you be in the touch forum then?

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so your bashing a phone, because it (at first) wouldn't even provided the basic functions of a phone....

yet yours won't either.

color me confused.


your phone charging correctly is something that should just work. it shouldn't need to be fixed or hacked. thats ridiculous.

"i really like my new car! its awesome.... and when i can put gas in it, it will be REALLY awesome"

if i had a phone that wouldn't charge while i was talking on it, i would get it replaced and replaced and replaced until i got one that worked. not make excuses for it

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i'm not bashing it, i'm proving a point.. that flaws are always going to be there, but the positives outweigh them. Personally, that problem doesn't apply to me as I don't sit on the phone for hours causing the phone to heat up and stop charging.
I'm sure you have complaints about your phone, yet you love it don't you? There are just as many half star reviews for the original Touch by people that have never used it on CNET. Get what i'm getting at? This thread is for the haters that don't understand why we love our WM phones. CNET has only given HTC devices 3 and a half stars while they give less capable phones a 4 (the palm centro got the same rating as the touch pro! c'mon!), i'm trying to spread the word about our devices. They have faults just like every other phone, but they have plenty of features that the others are lacking in. Our phones have come a long way, yet they still get the same ol avg rating, strange isn't it?
This isn't really a comparison thread though, it's for touch pro supporters (that's why it's in the Touch Pro forum). So if you don't agree, you can leave - it's that simple. thanks.

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Okay. After all of my short posts I am now prepared to write a long (punctuated and capitalized) and civil post. Now iPhones are very neat devices. They set the pace for Microsoft. However, they are over- rated and overly advertised. I am not bashing Apple users, in fact a support apples new risks and ideas. I do think however that people with iPhones think that they have the best phones, just as people with iPods don't understand there is such a thing as an MP3 player. Whenever someone says wel I have the iPhone I have a routine. I power up my phone, show them S2U2 then launch iFonz. Then they ***** about 3g and I have a talk about evdo REV.A and Sprints coming 4g. Same goes for when a had a color 4GB MP3 player back when iPod Minis were popular. I would be listening and 3 people would come up to me and say, "Hey, is that an iPod?" I always said no see color screen 4 gigs. They would be floured. Same with my phone, I show them what it can do and they back off. It is that simple. No need for wars here. YOU have the confidence to tell any iPhone user off with just a few finger movements , and that is all you need to know. And another thing, PPCs are not advertised thoroughly and we are of a minority. It means that we cannot just whip out out phones and people go whoa a Pro. It means we have to explain to them, one by one. :D

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The basic issue here is fairness and not "talking out of your bum."

I am a mostly happy TP owner but that doesn't mean I need to talk smack about the iPhone. I'm sure I'd love the iPhone if I used one, and know people who do, but I just don't want to be an evil AT&T customer (now THEY are worth bashing!) and get raped on my monthly plan, so I make do with this phone, and am really impressed.

I understand the need for the thread though because it's true that unfortunately there are a lot of unthinking Apple fanbois who simply won't accept that Apple is best always or that the competition could ever be better in any way.

But my advice is, speaking softly, don't be guilty of the same thing that the opposition is doing. There's no need to call Apple "crap," the iPhone a "joke" etc. Especially if you haven't been fair and tried one yet. (That's what those knee-jerk iPhone fans are doing in some of their TP reviews--so don't copy them.)