Touch or Mogul, undecisive!

[Musicman247]

Depends on what you want out of your phone.

Go Mogul if you want:
-tactile feedback when typing
-flash with your camera
-the option of Wifi
-to HAVE to have a memory manager program (may be fixed with ROM in '08 )
-to HAVE to reset every few days b/c of memory leaks (may be fixed with ROM in '08 )
-sometimes functional Bluetooth (may be fixed with ROM in '08 )
-to have only enough memory to run a couple of programs at a time
-lots of physical buttons to open programs easily

Go with the Touch if you want:
-the latest thing
-small form factor
-lots and lots of memory
-working Bluetooth (out of the box)
-HTC apps that everybody wants pre-installed
-one-handed text entry (out of the box)

Personally from my experience (4 months w/the Mogul, 1 week w/the Touch) I prefer the Touch. Having all that memory is just amazing when compared to the hoops I had to jump through to make my Mogul work consitently. I don't miss the hard buttons now that I know how to customize the HTC Cube and have the HTC Home Plugin. I rarely used Wifi, and most of the time when I tried it didn't work anyway. I was always accidentally opening my keyboard on the Mogul, causing it to go into fits switching from Portait to Landscape and back (each taking 5-10 seconds). The solid body is just easier to handle, and since it is small it's a joy to use! The whole asthetic value is so much higher with the Touch. It's like a work of art.

I've been frequenting the Mogul and Touch forums and have this to say about each:

The people on the Mogul forum are talking about 3 things: 1) how to get a Touch 2) how to make their Moguls function like a touch & 3) how many problems their Mogul has

The people on the Touch forum are talking about: 1) customizing their great phone 2).... um, I think that's pretty much it! There are so few threads about problems, it's like the community is supposed to be, writing programs, helping each other customize, etc...

So, for me it's the Touch (or Vogue if you wan to be specific) that wins. Other people will have varying opinions. But make sure you do research yourself first, and think real hard before pulling that trigger.

[gobmonster]

Originally Posted by Musicman247

The people on the Touch forum are talking about: 1) customizing their great phone 2).... um, I think that's pretty much it! There are so few threads about problems, it's like the community is supposed to be, writing programs, helping each other customize, etc...

Give some time, ppl will find something to complain about, this is the net after all

and honestly, i'll take my mogul + wm5 anyday over the touch any day, the speed of wm5 plus the hardware keyboard and mogul hardware r perfect

I'll put it this way, if you were with atnt, would you get the iphone or tilt, the iphone (touch) just works and works well, but isnt too productive

the tilt (mogul), isnt halfway as stylish, but it gets the job done, from texting to video to music.

neither has a true feature advantage, its simplicity vs ocd (face it, you need ocd to be happy with the mogul)

[poorlyduck]

Originally Posted by Musicman247

The people on the Mogul forum are talking about 3 things: 1) how to get a Touch 2) how to make their Moguls function like a touch & 3) how many problems their Mogul has

Yeah your right, but that it doesnt mean that we like Touch fiscally, but we do like the apps in Touch, Mogul with wifi, sliding keyboard + hardware buttons everywhere and Touch apps is great.
people who wanted to trade in for Touch, they just did it because others could. Think about it, if Touch was released first then Mogul, you'll hear the same thing, everyone will jump for the Mogul. people like always new toys.
Personally I wouldnt change Mogul for nothing beside the Tilt.

[glidersgalore]

I've had the Mogul for about 3mo and the Touch for about 1mo. They both have the ups and downs. I love the size of the Touch, the memory and the factory installed software. The lack of the keyboard is tuff to deal with, I use the transcriber a lot. Then yesturday I started playing with my Mogul again, and wow, I miss it. The keyboard, WIFI, and the size in my hand. The Mogul is business with some play, the Touch is play with some business, kinda like a dinner party, dressed in a tux, but talking business.

[sj808]

Originally Posted by poorlyduck

Yeah your right, but that it doesnt mean that we like Touch fiscally, but we do like the apps in Touch, Mogul with wifi, sliding keyboard + hardware buttons everywhere and Touch apps is great.
people who wanted to trade in for Touch, they just did it because others could. Think about it, if Touch was released first then Mogul, you'll hear the same thing, everyone will jump for the Mogul. people like always new toys.
Personally I wouldnt change Mogul for nothing beside the Tilt.

uuuuuhhhhhhhh.... to go from 128 mb of DDR Ram to 64 MB of Ram........ I dont think so.


Its like working at a Job that pays $25/hour with cool supervisors and managers but hard labor.

Then you decide to go to a job that pays $15/hour with strict Supervisors and managers but easier labor.

now the other way around makes alot more sense

[sj808]

And one more point... for the Touch

if you NEED wifi, get the Wifi SD card.


If you NEED a keyboard, go get you a BT Light keyboard.



With the mogul... you can have these things but not even use it or better to say NEED it. I remember when Pocket CM-keyboard came out, ALOT of mogul users were saying "good, I try not to slide out the keyboard as much as I can... so now I can type on screen". But then when it comes to Touch VS Mogul, these same people NEED a keyboard and say "typing only on screen is stupid".

Now, with things you need or might want for the Mogul.... more memory???? have fun trying to find someone to install it. Again, WIFI and the keyboard is the ONLY pros for the mogul.

So people has to decide if WIFI and a keyboard is a necessity or a luxury. Either way, you have those OPTIONS for the Touch as well by buying accessories.

[poorlyduck]

Originally Posted by sj808

uuuuuhhhhhhhh.... to go from 128 mb of DDR Ram to 64 MB of Ram........ I dont think so.


Its like working at a Job that pays $25/hour with cool supervisors and managers but hard labor.

Then you decide to go to a job that pays $15/hour with strict Supervisors and managers but easier labor.

now the other way around makes alot more sense

ok now that you have 128mb ram what did you do with it? I have like 30 apps installed in my Mogul and I run sometimes 6 at the time and still with 16mb left wich it doesnt affect the performance that much. with one app open I stay bw 20/21, so do we really need that much ram in our phones?, its more of a processor that makes the phone run fast or slow. and I believe both touch and mogul have the same processor speed which is 400Mhz.
check out slither's video in youtube, he owns samsung 500mhz processor and 64 meg of Ram, the same ram as Mogul and 100mhz more of a speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfIkkox01sE
btw that the cube we are working on me and him, still in beta

[sj808]

Originally Posted by poorlyduck

ok now that you have 128mb ram what did you do with it? I have like 30 apps installed in my Mogul and I run sometimes 6 at the time and still with 16mb left wich it doesnt affect the performance that much. with one app open I stay bw 20/21, so do we really need that much ram in our phones?, its more of a processor that makes the phone run fast or slow. and I believe both touch and mogul have the same processor speed which is 400Mhz.
check out slither's video in youtube, he owns samsung 500mhz processor and 64 meg of Ram, the same ram as Mogul and 100mhz more of a speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfIkkox01sE
btw that the cube we are working on me and him, still in beta

Processor= speed of car

RAM= number of lanes you're driving on

You can have the fastest car in the world, but if there's heavy traffic and you only have 2 lanes.. it won't do no better.




Thats the concept I always use when referring to computers.


Now both phones have the same processor (car)... I pick driving on a 6 lane freeway then a 2 lane street.


honestly, I had to reset my mogul numerous times because these web pages be having all kinds of stuff loading on (and Opera now supports flash so that doesn't help either).


For a test:

currently on the Touch...... I'm watching a youtube video /via TCMP, IE open on pocketYT, opera open on myspace, logged on AIM, bringing up the cube, and playing music on audio manager.



I would try this on my mogul but it aint activated. But I remember my mogul freezing up just doing youtube videos /via TCMP alone.

[poorlyduck]

Originally Posted by sj808

Processor= speed of car

RAM= number of lanes you're driving on

You can have the fastest car in the world, but if there's heavy traffic and you only have 2 lanes.. it won't do no better.




Thats the concept I always use when referring to computers.


Now both phones have the same processor (car)... I pick driving on a 6 lane freeway then a 2 lane street.


honestly, I had to reset my mogul numerous times because these web pages be having all kinds of stuff loading on (and Opera now supports flash so that doesn't help either).


For a test:

currently on the Touch...... I'm watching a youtube video /via TCMP, IE open on pocketYT, opera open on myspace, logged on AIM, bringing up the cube, and playing music on audio manager.



I would try this on my mogul but it aint activated. But I remember my mogul freezing up just doing youtube videos /via TCMP alone.

I might drive the two lane street and get faster than you are driving in 6 lane highway, if I know the shortcut to get faster than you are. you have 6 lane highway in the rush hour you will be waiting hours till you get home, while Im cutting all the busy streets and using the shortcut to get home. if your car is defective and you try to use the shortcut it will stop right in the midle of the road and you have to tow it. so basically most of the people went ahead and downloaded this crappy 2.16 ROM and since then the complain did not stop, one after another, even the ones that has already a fine working mogul start complaining just to convince them self to get the touch for free from ecare.
since I got my mogul I haven't had a problem (knock the wood) and still running the same ROM that came with it, if the new ROM doesn't bring Rev A and GPS I will still have the same rom and be happy.
right now, the cube is open, all applications from the cube running and minimized also running youtube video from PIE plus, wathicng yvonne straoviskii, she is hot

[sj808]

Originally Posted by poorlyduck

ok now that you have 128mb ram what did you do with it? I have like 30 apps installed in my Mogul and I run sometimes 6 at the time and still with 16mb left wich it doesnt affect the performance that much. with one app open I stay bw 20/21, so do we really need that much ram in our phones?, its more of a processor that makes the phone run fast or slow. and I believe both touch and mogul have the same processor speed which is 400Mhz.
check out slither's video in youtube, he owns samsung 500mhz processor and 64 meg of Ram, the same ram as Mogul and 100mhz more of a speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfIkkox01sE
btw that the cube we are working on me and him, still in beta

that youtube video is pretty impressive. What samsung has 500 mhz??? that new one on verizon??





HTC needs to catch up with Apple and just make a device with 800 mhz like the iPhone. thats why the iPhone runs so smooth.... there's no info on how much RAM it has though, I'm kind of curious on that.

I think the problem with Microsoft is that they make all their OS's rely on over-using the memory/RAM... perfect example is Vista. The compete with OSX, they couldn't figure out how Apple does it (maybe 'cuz Mac don't have drivers)... so they must of said to themselves "Ahhh f*ck it, lets just make the OS soak up more memory to make it seem like the performance is equal to Macs." Therefore, WM6 is the Vista of PPCs.


at the End of the day, I rather have more RAM then needed.... slow or fast CPU, don't matter.