How Microsoft blew it with Windows Mobile

[smoove21]

Originally Posted by shaggylive

when you can find other o/s in devices like this then your argument sticks.
the fact is the only reason we have what we have now is due to business's buying winmobile for years. the first thing bb did was focus on enterprise server/software to tie into existing business networks, namely Microsoft. and since they had the first/best all-in-one phone busness's were willing to buy that extra equipment and licenses.

this whole argument about the ui is just that. the other o/s's were specifically designed with the u/i in mind. winmo has the architecture designed for corporate environments. I also believe this gets to the core of why were waiting for wm7. I suspect it's a completely different platform, hopefully making customization and programming easier.

Dude those products aren't running windows mobile, and if they are, its definitely not the same os in microsoft's mobile phone line.. They're running windows software built for the specific fields they're being used in. Your argument doesnt stick or make any sense. If you were to pay attention we're talking about the best mobile phone os and how microsoft's argument is their os is/was built for the "enterprise user." Lol who here has said apple has the best forklift os or that rim has the better bar-code scanner software. Fact is your statement speaks on two completely different subjects. We're talking specifically about mobile phone OS' not just how pretty they are. Take into account the usability and speed of the os not just how powerful or pretty(ui) it is.

[thejacer]

Originally Posted by smoove21

Dude those products aren't running windows mobile, and if they are, its definitely not the same os in microsoft's mobile phone line.. They're running windows software built for the specific fields they're being used in. Your argument doesnt stick or make any sense. If you were to pay attention we're talking about the best mobile phone os and how microsoft's argument is their os is/was built for the "enterprise user." Lol who here has said apple has the best forklift os or that rim has the better bar-code scanner software. Fact is your statement speaks on two completely different subjects. We're talking specifically about mobile phone OS' not just how pretty they are. Take into account the usability and speed of the os not just how powerful or pretty(ui) it is.

lol...its the same os running on those devices as your phone. same os. maybe they havent taken the time to update .net cf or those are running an extremely outdated version of winmo but yeah, its no different from winmo 5 or 6 running on a phone. I've written a texting program on a windows 5 gps device with no cellular functions and used a point of sale device at my work running 6.0...btw ms doesnt have a mobile phone line. they have an os.

Originally Posted by x10guy

No.. I don't think that is their main problem.
If they indeed always marketed WinMo to business users, they certainly didn't do a good job.

That's just a cop out saying that Winmo is for business users... But if you insist on using that excuse, then BlackBerrys kicked their behind in the business world.

Their problem is they didn't market at all. but they did in fact produce a nearly exclusively enterprise OS. even if they didnt market it well at all. (which is why RIM stepped in)

[smoove21]

Originally Posted by thejacer

lol...its the same os running on those devices as your phone. same os. maybe they havent taken the time to update .net cf or those are running an extremely outdated version of winmo but yeah, its no different from winmo 5 or 6 running on a phone. I've written a texting program on a windows 5 gps device with no cellular functions and used a point of sale device at my work running 6.0...btw ms doesnt have a mobile phone line. they have an os.



Their problem is they didn't market at all. but they did in fact produce a nearly exclusively enterprise OS. even if they didnt market it well at all. (which is why RIM stepped in)

As i clearly stated..If it was running windows its not the same as in mobile phones.. Hence the name of the os being windows MOBILE. Those products that you're speaking of are running windows ce if anything. Windows mobile cannot be outdated it if was developed and optimized for the use of replacing a pda and to become an all in one device. So that you wont need a computer to do all of your computing needs. Windows ce was developed and designed to be used as a sort of pc companion to someone's or a companies business. It works with your computer meaning it extends its capabilities. Better yet just follow the link and when you're done can we continue talking about windows mobile and not ce or any variation not being ran on cell phones...not pda's please stop feeding me all these other uses for windows because if they were all the same we would be talking about one version and not have windows mobile/phone/7/ce/nt. If they were the same everything would be running just windows ok? Different technology,different software and different hardware.http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158182

[shaggylive]

Originally Posted by smoove21

Fact is your statement speaks on two completely different subjects. We're talking specifically about mobile phone OS' not just how pretty they are. Take into account the usability and speed of the os not just how powerful or pretty(ui) it is.

your right, I'm referring to PocketPc's. I have been aware of this difference developing for some time (PocketPc w/phone vs. phone that does 'everything'.)
as far as usability and speed go, that's completely subjective. consumers wants are different than enterprise needs, and the consumer market only recently started demanding more. before that it was purely a commercial driven device.

this is why the shift from winmo to m$phone. there will still be specialized devices like I linked before, but they will now be under the "embedded" category. (i think)

[smoove21]

Originally Posted by shaggylive

your right, I'm referring to PocketPc's. I have been aware of this difference developing for some time (PocketPc w/phone vs. phone that does 'everything'.)
as far as usability and speed go, that's completely subjective. consumers wants are different than enterprise needs, and the consumer market only recently started demanding more. before that it was purely a commercial driven device.

this is why the shift from winmo to m$phone. there will still be specialized devices like I linked before, but they will now be under the "embedded" category. (i think)

I understand and respect your point of view. I just feel that speaking on the potential or power of windows is getting old. Its hard to support microsoft when they keep feeding us the half-assed attempts of revamping their mobile os. Now its been said that windows mobile/phone 7 will be pushed back to Q4 of next year. On top of that, a european release is supposed to be first (i think?). Even still, that more than likely means we wont start seeing phones being shipped here with the new os until early 2011. Im aware that there will be some leaks of the os that we all will be running well before that time but come on, we have to wait at least another year for its official release? This is ludacris, please tell me that we arent going to accept this with no complaints what so ever.

[shaggylive]

Originally Posted by smoove21

I understand and respect your point of view.

and I yours. I admit the iphone was a revolution, which forces evolution. its just that evolution takes a little longer..

And I still say wm's power is fine, it's the developers that got old... lol