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[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Look man, I'm starting to wonder if you're serious or just some troll...

I posted the confirmation. .

Sorry, Your arguments are so LAUGHABLE. I can't believe you are basing your ENTIRE argument on data that is 18 months old!!!
Confirmation from July 2007- June 2008 is NOT confirmation.
You might as well go back to the 1990s data on Windows CE.

It's about time you got up-to-date figures.

Also your dismissal of all the CURRENT articles as being biased and ignorant is laughable. (look I'm not making this stuff up... just google it. It's all over the news).
The bottom line is that most believe that Winmo is in trouble.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Sorry, Your arguments are so LAUGHABLE. I can't believe you are basing your ENTIRE argument on data that is 18 months old!!!
Confirmation from July 2007- June 2008 is NOT confirmation.
You might as well go back to the 1990s data on Windows CE.

It's about time you got up-to-date figures.

Also your dismissal of all the CURRENT articles as being biased and ignorant is laughable. (look I'm not making this stuff up... just google it. It's all over the news).
The bottom line is that most believe that Winmo is in trouble.

Show me some "news" that shares your opinion. Some random blog with an amateur living in his mom's basement is not a credible news source.

If you think my argument is so laughable, how about you prove it? You haven't posted one iota of evidence to support your claim yet. You keep talking about how "everyone knows" and "it's all over the place" but that doesn't hold water unless you prove it. Clearly, I don't agree with your position.

Yes, I agree that you can find a bunch of unqualified hacks predicting the end of Windows Mobile just because they like some other OS better. But I have not seen even one single professional business or investment analyst make such a ridiculous claim.

So, in a nutshell, my argument consists of facts, figures, estimates, quarterly reports, and a plan that Microsoft laid out over a year ago that seems to be going better than they even estimated so far.

Your argument consists of you telling me I am wrong based on a google search you did and haven't posted any links from yet.

And I'm the one with a laughable argument. LOL, nice.

Do yourself a favor- go study up on investing so you can understand how ridiculous you look when you say last year's sales numbers are not relevant. Call any decent stock broker and ask him if he shares your opinion on that matter. Let him explain how stupid it is to look at this year's sales numbers and say last year's are not relevant- especially in a market where a 2 year contract is the norm.

If you have some current, credible news with a qualified expert that shares your opinion, post it. I have called BS on that ridiculous claim several times now, and you have yet to actually post a link to back it up. I do NOT think there is any credible news source with a qualified business or investment expert predicting the end of Windows Mobile. If you are claiming this news is all over the place, then post a link and prove it already.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Show me some "news" that shares your opinion. Some random blog with an amateur libing in his mom's basement is not a credible news source.

So basically you are calling of of the following "random amateurs" blogging from a Mom's basement":

• Gartner Research (they are the company that published all the sales figures - and their analysts do evaluations)
• ZDNet
• CNET news
• Engadget
• Infoworld
• Arstechnica
• Businessweek
• (I could list like 10 more that detail the decline in Windows Mobile)

So according to you all of them are "basement bloggers..." Now that's funny! And again, who have you listed as sources for your information?? You talk about "credible news sources"... So AGAIN, where are your credible news sources?

Zilch... that's what I thought.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

So basically you are calling of of the following "random amateurs" blogging from a Mom's basement":

• Gartner Research (they are the company that published all the sales figures - and their analysts do evaluations)
• ZDNet
• CNET news
• Engadget
• Infoworld
• Arstechnica
• Businessweek
• (I could list like 10 more that detail the decline in Windows Mobile)

So according to you all of them are "basement bloggers..." Now that's funny! And again, who have you listed as sources for your information?? You talk about "credible news sources"... So AGAIN, where are your credible news sources?

Zilch... that's what I thought.

Post a link where someone predicts the end of Windows Mobile, and we'll take it on a case by case basis. You haven't posted anything for me to call a blogger in his mom's basement. You told me to do a google search, and all I found was a bunch of bloggers who probably lived in their mom's basement.

If you have a link from one of the above that supports your claim, post it.

Again, I am calling BS on you. You do NOT have a link from a credible business or investment expert predicting the end of Windows Mobile. How many times do you have to be called out before you either admit you were wrong or make an effort to back up your claims?

As for where we stand right now- I already posted sales numbers from last year proving they set an all time record. I posted another link showing that right now they have the hottest business device on the market. We all have enough common sense to understand that the smartphone market is a 2 year cycle, based on the 2 year contracts everyone has to sign to get a decent price on a device- therefore most of those record customers from last year are still using a Windows Mobile device today, and will be ready to buy a new one next year. And we also know that even ith that being the case, the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device righ tnow, and Verizon- the largest carrier in the USA, is having trouble keeping the device in stock.

And you think you saying it's laughable somehow trumps all that? Not even close.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Post a lionk where someone predicts the end of Windows Mobile, and we'll take it on a case by case basis. You haven't posted anything for me to call a blogger in his mom's basement. You told me to do a google search, and all I found was a bunch of bloggers who probably lived in their mom's basement.

If you have a link from one of the above that supports your claim, post it.

Again, I am calling BS on you. You do NOT have a link from a credible business or investment expert predicting the end of Windows Mobile. How many times do you have to be called out before you either admit you were wrong or make an effort to back up your claims?

Just curious. Do you actual read my posts? I NEVER said that that "Windows Mobile is coming to an End". I actually said the contrary. Winmo will always be around because Microsoft is so big. All I'm saying is that Winmo is on the decline. I never said it was going away.

OK. I'll give you a list. It's going to take a few minutes (in another post) because there are so many. But again where are yours credible news sources?

You keep on saying all this stuff. Just put up links and be done with it.
The longer you keep on avoiding it... the more you seem to be making this stuff up.

Look I'll become more a believer that Winmo is actually healthy and growing as you say.... just provide some links?

[x10guy]

OK here is what I found so far. I tried to pick different articles so you won't say that it's all from one source. And believe or not, I'm still finding more and more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/te...er=rss&emc=rss

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...ne-os-race.ars

http://www.betanews.com/article/See-...oot/1259877453

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10399808-62.html

OK, your turn. Where are your sources?

[x10guy]

Still more...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...mobile-android

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...s_android.html

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune....ne-year-later/ (this one is actually from CNNMoney website)


Hey I actually found one for you... but he does admit that Microsoft blew it but he thinks they can come back. (again I never said that Winmo was going away....)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=2594

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Just curious. Do you actual read my posts? I NEVER said that that "Windows Mobile is coming to an End". I actually said the contrary. Winmo will always be around because Microsoft is so big. All I'm saying is that Winmo is on the decline. I never said it was going away.

OK. I'll give you a list. It's going to take a few minutes (in another post) because there are so many. But again where are yours credible news sources?

You keep on saying all this stuff. Just put up links and be done with it.
The longer you keep on avoiding it... the more you seem to be making this stuff up.

Look I'll become more a believer that Winmo is actually healthy and growing as you say.... just provide some links?

Uh, I posted a link showing Windows Mobile had their all time sales record last year. With the nature of this business being a 2 year agreement, are you saying the majority of them are not using Windows Mobile anymore? Please post a link that supports that ridiculous claim, if that is in fact what you are claiming. If you don't dispute that, then I will be left to assume you agree- most of the peoiple that bought WM phones last year still have them.

I posted another link proving the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device right now, and Verizon has had problems keeping the device in stock.

Those are undisputed facts at this point. If you want to dispute them, I'm still waiting.

So assuming you agree with the above undisputed facts, then we now know there are more Windows Mobile users right now than there have ever been in the past.

This, perhaps, is part of the reason that Microsoft's stock is not taking a beating. Because if Microsoft had been soundly beaten on the Mobile front, like you keep claiming, then you can be absolutely sure their stock would reflect it. On the contrary, their stock is higher than it has been in over a year, and it has been steadily climbing all year.

Now, please stop pretending that I haven't posted anything. On the contrary, you haven't posted one iota of evidence so far. All you did was act like your opinion trumped all the facts, and posted your opinion over and over.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Uh, I posted a link showing Windows Mobile had their all time sales record last year.

I posted another link proving the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device right now, and Verizon has had problems keeping the device in stock.

I already explained, I don't think sales figures from 2007/2008 counts as confirmation of your statement. And I don't think anyone else does... just look at the MORE RECENT sales figures. We can disagree on cycle times but I think most people on this board will agree with me, that sales figures from 18 months ago does NOT prove that the Winmo marketshare is growing in 2009 and 2010.

Also, Consumer reports article is more on the useability and performance standpoint. Nice article but it DOES NOT support your contention that Windows mobile licenses are at an all time high and is growing.

All I'm asking is for recent articles that support your position. That's all.
That can't be that hard to do.