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[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

So basically you are calling of of the following "random amateurs" blogging from a Mom's basement":

• Gartner Research (they are the company that published all the sales figures - and their analysts do evaluations)
• ZDNet
• CNET news
• Engadget
• Infoworld
• Arstechnica
• Businessweek
• (I could list like 10 more that detail the decline in Windows Mobile)

So according to you all of them are "basement bloggers..." Now that's funny! And again, who have you listed as sources for your information?? You talk about "credible news sources"... So AGAIN, where are your credible news sources?

Zilch... that's what I thought.

Post a link where someone predicts the end of Windows Mobile, and we'll take it on a case by case basis. You haven't posted anything for me to call a blogger in his mom's basement. You told me to do a google search, and all I found was a bunch of bloggers who probably lived in their mom's basement.

If you have a link from one of the above that supports your claim, post it.

Again, I am calling BS on you. You do NOT have a link from a credible business or investment expert predicting the end of Windows Mobile. How many times do you have to be called out before you either admit you were wrong or make an effort to back up your claims?

As for where we stand right now- I already posted sales numbers from last year proving they set an all time record. I posted another link showing that right now they have the hottest business device on the market. We all have enough common sense to understand that the smartphone market is a 2 year cycle, based on the 2 year contracts everyone has to sign to get a decent price on a device- therefore most of those record customers from last year are still using a Windows Mobile device today, and will be ready to buy a new one next year. And we also know that even ith that being the case, the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device righ tnow, and Verizon- the largest carrier in the USA, is having trouble keeping the device in stock.

And you think you saying it's laughable somehow trumps all that? Not even close.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Post a lionk where someone predicts the end of Windows Mobile, and we'll take it on a case by case basis. You haven't posted anything for me to call a blogger in his mom's basement. You told me to do a google search, and all I found was a bunch of bloggers who probably lived in their mom's basement.

If you have a link from one of the above that supports your claim, post it.

Again, I am calling BS on you. You do NOT have a link from a credible business or investment expert predicting the end of Windows Mobile. How many times do you have to be called out before you either admit you were wrong or make an effort to back up your claims?

Just curious. Do you actual read my posts? I NEVER said that that "Windows Mobile is coming to an End". I actually said the contrary. Winmo will always be around because Microsoft is so big. All I'm saying is that Winmo is on the decline. I never said it was going away.

OK. I'll give you a list. It's going to take a few minutes (in another post) because there are so many. But again where are yours credible news sources?

You keep on saying all this stuff. Just put up links and be done with it.
The longer you keep on avoiding it... the more you seem to be making this stuff up.

Look I'll become more a believer that Winmo is actually healthy and growing as you say.... just provide some links?

[x10guy]

OK here is what I found so far. I tried to pick different articles so you won't say that it's all from one source. And believe or not, I'm still finding more and more.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/te...er=rss&emc=rss

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...ne-os-race.ars

http://www.betanews.com/article/See-...oot/1259877453

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10399808-62.html

OK, your turn. Where are your sources?

[x10guy]

Still more...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...mobile-android

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...s_android.html

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune....ne-year-later/ (this one is actually from CNNMoney website)


Hey I actually found one for you... but he does admit that Microsoft blew it but he thinks they can come back. (again I never said that Winmo was going away....)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/cell-phones/?p=2594

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by x10guy

Just curious. Do you actual read my posts? I NEVER said that that "Windows Mobile is coming to an End". I actually said the contrary. Winmo will always be around because Microsoft is so big. All I'm saying is that Winmo is on the decline. I never said it was going away.

OK. I'll give you a list. It's going to take a few minutes (in another post) because there are so many. But again where are yours credible news sources?

You keep on saying all this stuff. Just put up links and be done with it.
The longer you keep on avoiding it... the more you seem to be making this stuff up.

Look I'll become more a believer that Winmo is actually healthy and growing as you say.... just provide some links?

Uh, I posted a link showing Windows Mobile had their all time sales record last year. With the nature of this business being a 2 year agreement, are you saying the majority of them are not using Windows Mobile anymore? Please post a link that supports that ridiculous claim, if that is in fact what you are claiming. If you don't dispute that, then I will be left to assume you agree- most of the peoiple that bought WM phones last year still have them.

I posted another link proving the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device right now, and Verizon has had problems keeping the device in stock.

Those are undisputed facts at this point. If you want to dispute them, I'm still waiting.

So assuming you agree with the above undisputed facts, then we now know there are more Windows Mobile users right now than there have ever been in the past.

This, perhaps, is part of the reason that Microsoft's stock is not taking a beating. Because if Microsoft had been soundly beaten on the Mobile front, like you keep claiming, then you can be absolutely sure their stock would reflect it. On the contrary, their stock is higher than it has been in over a year, and it has been steadily climbing all year.

Now, please stop pretending that I haven't posted anything. On the contrary, you haven't posted one iota of evidence so far. All you did was act like your opinion trumped all the facts, and posted your opinion over and over.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Uh, I posted a link showing Windows Mobile had their all time sales record last year.

I posted another link proving the Touch Pro 2 is the hottest business device right now, and Verizon has had problems keeping the device in stock.

I already explained, I don't think sales figures from 2007/2008 counts as confirmation of your statement. And I don't think anyone else does... just look at the MORE RECENT sales figures. We can disagree on cycle times but I think most people on this board will agree with me, that sales figures from 18 months ago does NOT prove that the Winmo marketshare is growing in 2009 and 2010.

Also, Consumer reports article is more on the useability and performance standpoint. Nice article but it DOES NOT support your contention that Windows mobile licenses are at an all time high and is growing.

All I'm asking is for recent articles that support your position. That's all.
That can't be that hard to do.

[x10guy]

Just to clarify:

Your position is that Windows Mobile is growing and at an all-time high. (or at least Winmo licenses are at an all time high)

My position is that Windows Mobile is declining and is losing market share. Again, I never said that Winmo is going away. I contend they've really had some serious misteps and lost their leadership they once held.