who is else is just going to wait for the touch pro 3 - Page 4

dtuma1980 · #31 (**permalink**) 11-13-2009, 05:50 PM

I saw it mentioned earlier, but I have had this conversation with many WinMo buddies of mine...we all aborted on the TP2 and are hopeful that HTC comes out with a :

Win 7, Tegra-Enabled, Keyboard having dream come true.

Coucher · #32 (**permalink**) 11-17-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by juliend

Your info is a bit dated man. A few years ago everything you said was true. MAC OS runs on standard hardware now though. You can build yourself a regular old intel box and load MAC OS X on there with no problem at all.

Technically - Correct

Legally - Not so much.

Yes, indeed, you can build your very own Hackintosh, and run OSX on it. Even with an Intel or AMD processor. However Apple's EULA states that OSX cannot be installed on "non-Apple branded hardware". Otherwise, you are in legal violation of the end user legal agreement.

This is the core reason most people dislike Apple/Macs/iPhone. They don't like the totalitarian dictatorship Apple (i.e Steve Jobs) wants to have over what you do with your hardware/software.

**BooDaddy** · #33 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hamidxa

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Originally Posted by boredandtattooed

i dunno... i think Android is growing so fast, that winmos doomed altimately... i mean micrsoft isnt the leader in anything anymore really..

So much misinformation here I don't even know where to start.

First of all, MS DOMINATES the OS market.
They have a global marketshare of 92.5%

Not only do they lead OS marketshare, they absolutely destroy the competition.

To put it in perspective, Apple's computer/OS marketshare is ~ 5.3% GLOBALLY (they like to just tout US numbers that put them in a better light, but even then its ONLY 8.5% of the US marketshare, their best market, and yet still pathetic figures)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10...orsPicksArea.0

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software for PCs maybe, thats about it..

And software for servers
And office productivity
And internet browser marketshare
And of course OS's

Microsoft dominates still in all of those markets.

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MACs are better than any PC...

Are you nuts?
Better because they are more expensive?
Better because they have slower processors?
Better because they have slower video cards?
Better because they have only about 1/10000th the amount of software available?
Better because they have a very limited selection of hardware?
Better because they have a very select few configurations to choose from?
Better because of what exactly?

They cost more, do less, and give you fewer options.

Windows 7 basically put the nail in the coffin for any sort of excuse Apple could lob at MS and PC's.

Also, get back to me when you can build your own Mac with your own hands, load your own OS, your own components, and do it for less than half of what it would cost a comparably spec'd PC.

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Iphone out sells the world, so winmo loses there again.. microsft just isnt a good platform maker flat out...

iPhone doesn't outsell a damned thing.

iPhone = 40 million units sold in 2.5 years
iphone = 16 million units sold per year

In 2007 alone, Global sales of cellphones were 1.15 BILLION UNITS

To put that in perspective.
iPhone = 16 million units sold per year
Global mobile phones sales = 1,150,000,000 per year

So, iPhone accounts for only 1.3% of the sales of mobile phones per year (that 1.15 Billion number has since gone up, but that's the most recent figure I could find, as newer figures would reduce the iPhone's percentage)

So, when a product only represents 1% of the market, what the hell do you call it? I certainly wouldn't call it "outsells the world"

Microsoft by the way also has a LARGER INSTALL BASE than Apple does of WinMo devices.
There are ~ 100 MILLION WM devices out there in the wild.
Marketshare != install base, and iPhone has only beaten MS in marketshare in just 1 quarter over the last 2.5 years. Incidentally, that was the same quarter that the 3GS launched, and no new WM handsets launched. Go figure.

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think about it.. we never want MS to release something new so we can enjoy it... we want them to come out with new things, so WE can fix it, hack it, and make it better, not MS... we just use them for the initial stuff... chefs, REAL Hackers, a few inside guys, and peeps at XDA are who make MS release enjoyable, not MS itself..

Explain PsyStar
Explain BootCamp
Explain Cydia
Explain Jailbreaking

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i dunno, i might just start navigating to Android and leave winmo alone... i mean come on, stop kidding yourselves, name that last thing MS did, without any help from the forum world, that really impressed you... what touchflo? even that usually sucks till you tweak it out.. even 6.5.1(2) wherever were at now a days(lol) needs tweaks,mods,etc...

Windows 7
ZuneHD
Project Natal
Windows Media Center on W7
Tablet PC's with W7 (by association)

Just because you're unfamiliar with their products, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

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i dunno, like i said ive been gone AWHILE, so maybe im out of line... i just think until snapdragon(or tegra when ready) and 1ghz(minimum) becomes Standard in everything as a base atleast, winmo will never be as good as WE want it... so maybe the Leo is the answer, guess well find out

That's about the only thing you've said thus far that remotely resembles a logical and cogent response.

very well played sir. Have u ever had to support a mac? I work in IT for a living. I work for a fortune 500 global company. We currently have just over 8600 PCs all running Windows. We also have about 300 macs.

Have you ever tried to get group policy on a mac? We use centrify but its not 100%. Also, have you ever had to deal with supporting both hardware and software on those pieces of crap? I cant stand working on a mac. Plus all the mactards are horrible to talk to

Theres a reason why major corporations run Windows and not Mac...you just really need to be in the IT industry to understand why.

**BooDaddy** · #34 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrianh85

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Originally Posted by DMWagner

Microsoft made Touchflo?

no i think htc did just like sence ui for android

Sorry, but HTC created both TouchFlo and Sense. Sense is just a "new" Touchflo. we will start seeing it on WinMo soon.

frazell · #35 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 03:12 AM

I'm sitting out the Touch Pro 2 as well. Hopefully HTC puts back the D-Pad on whatever they call the Touch Pro 3!

I use it way too much to be happy with loosing it to some craptastic on-screen replacement. Instead they give us some stupid zoom bar when I never zoom in on anything...

piratedninja · #36 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 03:16 AM

i just want a working phone, dont mind having a working touch pro and waiting a few more months/year for something like a leo to be available on sprint

i dont even want a TP2 but im not gona pay 2x as much every month just so i can get a hero

so until something better than a TP2 comes out, im happy with something that works

Will7272 · #37 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hamidxa

So much misinformation here I don't even know where to start.

First of all, MS DOMINATES the OS market.
They have a global marketshare of 92.5%

Not only do they lead OS marketshare, they absolutely destroy the competition.

To put it in perspective, Apple's computer/OS marketshare is ~ 5.3% GLOBALLY (they like to just tout US numbers that put them in a better light, but even then its ONLY 8.5% of the US marketshare, their best market, and yet still pathetic figures)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10...orsPicksArea.0

And software for servers
And office productivity
And internet browser marketshare
And of course OS's

Microsoft dominates still in all of those markets.

Are you nuts?
Better because they are more expensive?
Better because they have slower processors?
Better because they have slower video cards?
Better because they have only about 1/10000th the amount of software available?
Better because they have a very limited selection of hardware?
Better because they have a very select few configurations to choose from?
Better because of what exactly?

They cost more, do less, and give you fewer options.

Windows 7 basically put the nail in the coffin for any sort of excuse Apple could lob at MS and PC's.

Also, get back to me when you can build your own Mac with your own hands, load your own OS, your own components, and do it for less than half of what it would cost a comparably spec'd PC.

iPhone doesn't outsell a damned thing.

iPhone = 40 million units sold in 2.5 years
iphone = 16 million units sold per year

In 2007 alone, Global sales of cellphones were 1.15 BILLION UNITS

To put that in perspective.
iPhone = 16 million units sold per year
Global mobile phones sales = 1,150,000,000 per year

So, iPhone accounts for only 1.3% of the sales of mobile phones per year (that 1.15 Billion number has since gone up, but that's the most recent figure I could find, as newer figures would reduce the iPhone's percentage)

So, when a product only represents 1% of the market, what the hell do you call it? I certainly wouldn't call it "outsells the world"

Microsoft by the way also has a LARGER INSTALL BASE than Apple does of WinMo devices.
There are ~ 100 MILLION WM devices out there in the wild.
Marketshare != install base, and iPhone has only beaten MS in marketshare in just 1 quarter over the last 2.5 years. Incidentally, that was the same quarter that the 3GS launched, and no new WM handsets launched. Go figure.

Explain PsyStar
Explain BootCamp
Explain Cydia
Explain Jailbreaking

Windows 7
ZuneHD
Project Natal
Windows Media Center on W7
Tablet PC's with W7 (by association)

Just because you're unfamiliar with their products, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

That's about the only thing you've said thus far that remotely resembles a logical and cogent response.

This has to be the best post I've seen in years. It's so true.

Talon Pro · #38 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by frazell

I'm sitting out the Touch Pro 2 as well. Hopefully HTC puts back the D-Pad on whatever they call the Touch Pro 3!

I use it way too much to be happy with loosing it to some craptastic on-screen replacement. Instead they give us some stupid zoom bar when I never zoom in on anything...

Amen on that. I wont give up my D-pad.

Tinkturtle · #39 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 11:54 AM

I'm dumping my TP for the Hero. Sick and tired of re-boot every day. With 3 kids and a wife the All Data Family plan is only $3.00 more a month than my old plan after adding all the text and internet add-ons. And the 27% corporate discount makes it easier to swallow. Wife will be getting the Moment.

Will7272 · #40 (**permalink**) 11-18-2009, 12:05 PM

I went from the Titan to the Touch Pro. To me, the hardware difference between the two justified the new phone. Other than a larger screen on the TP2, there aren't really any major changes to the hardware of the phone that would warrant a replacement for me at this time. I'll wait. A new phone will come out that will make the TP2 look outdated.....and then another one....and another one.