Is it a given that the Touch Pro fixes the Mogul issues?

cohowap · #1 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 12:40 PM

So, I offended alot of people with my last post and I just wanted to set expectations for some who think that the Touch Pro is going to be mounds of improvement over the mogul.

I decided to visit xda's Touch Pro forums for the first time (always spend my time with mogul). And well, what I saw was shocking, cause from the way people here praise the Touch Pro for fixing all the Mogul issues, which is why they are "OWED" a free Touch Pro, I find quite the opposite.

This does extend on my beleif that way to many people are trying to take advantage of the minor issues the mogul had and trying to get a free TP off them.

SO... Those of you who fall into these issues below, it seems you can expect them in the "Stock TP" also. Cause that was your basis of complaint last time, so I'd assume no rom cooking for you.

1) Bluetooth issues exist.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=434256
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437753
2) GPS issues exists. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427888
3) Messaging issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437853
4) Notification issues.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437668
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437199
5) Active Sync issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437817
6) Keyboard issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421458
7) Sound issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422322

Battery issues. No link.
9) Battery charging issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420192
10) Reception issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437884
11) This guy has "Baffels" of issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437787
12) Clock issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437707
13) Resposiveness issues. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=425709
14) A whole bunch of other issues (some have fixes). http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426585

I'll stop here, as I am just trying to make a point. The touch pro will have issues as the mogul has issues. Those that believe they are "owed" a new phone (this really gets me for people who went mogul > diamond > now trying to ***** thier way into a TP), because the "Mogul" was a complete piece of crap... Obviously hasn't really dealt with any other Windows Mobile device.

Guys, these aren't little phone design to make calls and a few other things. These are mini computers whose market and design is still relativly new. I didn't want to knock the Touch Pro, as even I am waiting eagerly for it to be released, I just wanted to get my point across because I've heard it way to often that the "Touch Pro WILL NOT be a complete saviour of the Mogul. It will fix some issues, but in doing so, others will arise."

Now, before you say "Thats the not the CDMA version", or whatever you wish to argue with. Do you REALLY think Sprint is going to have all these issues resolved?

Only time can tell, but my bet is if the TP came out today, and ALL the issues were resolved, and a new phone came out in 6 months... The same issue with everyone trying to get thier story of complaining what a POS the TP was would still exist.

So with this post, buyer beware, the Touch Pro WILL have issues.

**stroths** · #2 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:05 PM

Many of them are being fixed

See - http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread...427#post465427

Not to say others won't pop up, but at least some will be corrected prior to shipping.

sherv · #3 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:07 PM

Very nicely put, people here tend to delude themselves with the Next Best Thing (myself included at times!). Nonetheless, it's sad that such an expensive device as a PPC phone is plagued with such bugs and flaws....but such is life on the cutting edge

Personally, my biggest gripe with the Mogul that the TP resolves is the RAM...the Mogul is an utter cripple given only ~24 megs available at boot and it's slooooooooow. Rectify this hardware flaw and the rest can be worked on via ROMs and such (assuming no other hardware idiocy, such as the white spots and flimsy buttons).

**Baffles** · #4 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:08 PM

Most of the issues you list seem to be software issues, and as sherv said, the TP hardware appears to be fairly stable itself, so as long as there are no defects at that level, the rest can be fixed via software, as we have done with the Mogul (to the extent possible).

sandiegodude · #5 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:16 PM

I'm thinking about waiting until the first TP rom update will be released from Sprint before I jump.
ETA March 2011

**schettj** · #6 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:33 PM

"Thats not the CDMA version"

HTC has a habit of underpowering their GSM versions and overpowering their CDMA versions. I've not checked the specs, but who knows....

But yeah, it's still running WM6.1, and all WM6.1 bugs will still exist, which is kinda obvious but possibly missed by some people.

Basically, my take is it will avoid any and all issues relating to memory. Pretty much like the Tilt, Touch, and every other 128MB+ device does.

All the other issues (including volume only a bat would enjoy without audiopara and/or other tweaks, battery life that bites without some registry tweaking, etc...) germane to either WM6.1 and/or HTC devices in general will of course still be there.

But for 87.26% of the people unhappy with the Mogul, getting more ram will pretty much do it.

**p-slim** · #7 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:41 PM

Also, alot of those aren't real problems. The real reason people want to upgrade is the big memory improvement. Those problems you named are mostly I don't really have or experience. My bluetooth works just as well as with any other phone. My gps works to my expectation, I really don't know what improvements you need. I don't have sound issues. The one problem you named on there I hope that gets fixed though is the message notification problem with sms messages. Sometimes I get a delay and I hate it.
All in all, we're getting the same device because they both run 6.1, the main updates are the better screen, faster processor, and gigantic leaps and bounds of more ram (288 as opposed to 47 )

**TurboFool** · #8 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:42 PM

I'm in it for the RAM. Even if all the other problems are still there, they're pretty much all fixable. The RAM was the thing that made the Mogul virtually unusable. The rest may just take a little time.

**schettj** · #9 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboFool

The RAM was the thing that made the Mogul virtually unusable.

Last night I used my virtually unusable Mogul running the stock WM6.1 Sprint rom to get turn by turn GPS navigation (via tom tom) to my destination, provide a network for my ubuntu laptop for 2 hours at the coffee shop w/o Wifi just using stock ICS, and do a little SMS chatting, then navigate back. Oh, yeah, and I did a little web browsing for the last couple minutes waiting in the car for my kid before I kicked off TomTom for the return trip.

Man, that thing sucks

But yeah, I hear you. It would indeed be nice to have more ram. I could have done all that *and* edited a 200MB word file I guess...

**TurboFool** · #10 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 02:09 PM

lol, sure, the phone consistently does that, 24/7, with no soft-resets, constant use of Oxios, and leaning just the right way. I've done all those things, as well, but the point is after I've done that and a few other things, and then try to open up one more program, such as Opera, or view pictures, or browse a complex web page, it all comes tumbling down. There are moments when my phone is awesome. But more often than not I have to jump through hoops to get the phone to actually work when I need it most. Want to take a photo? No problem, just Close All, then run Oxios, then hit the camera but--oh, the bird flew away. Want to find out who that actor is in that show? No problem, let me just open up Opera--oh, crap, out of memory, hold on--Close All, Oxios--oh, still not enough available--soft reset--there we go, Opera's loading now--oh, thanks Jeff for looking it up on your iPhone.

Sorry, but the Mogul's available RAM DOES suck. Just because certain apps happen to fill its small amount of space just right so that if you soft-reset recently you can run them all effectively doesn't make it suck less. I don't want to have to perform a song and dance routine to get my Mogul to open any app I feel like and be sure that app's going to stay open and work when I need it most.