Is it a given that the Touch Pro fixes the Mogul issues?

[schettj]

Again, c'mon

No WM device has 100% of the ram available on boot, EVER. Even WM5 (you must remember) only had 30ish MB free on the apache/WM5

If you're a premier (you should be based on what you posed before about multiple lines) you can get 1 device upgrade after 1 year.

And no, the touch is not comparable. It's either much better or vastly inferior, but it sure doesn't have a memory problem. An "unusable" phone with a keyboard is still pretty unusable, I would think.

I'm not picking on you personally, but man, enough with the sour grapes. There just isn't any way you could have reasonably had expectations of vast free ram on a 64mb machine running WM6 or higher. At most, you could have expected 26-28mb, just like the apache with WM6.0

Anyway, this horse is beat to death. Good luck with your next device.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by Existentialism

But both are designed to be run on my phone or phones like it. And they run fine ov virtually every equivalent phone on the market, so the problem is with the mogul, not the apps.

Actually, I run both those apps myself daily. I did swap to nueROM first however as I knew going in that the Mogul/Titan was not designed to run bloated apps like this in its stock form.

The Mogul runs just fine when it is stock. One of my co-workers has a dead stock verizon XV6800 & he loves it. He has no desire whatever to tweak or modify it as it works just fine for him right from the box.

Would I be happy with his setup?? No, I wouldn't & that is why I do things like flashing new ROMs, but it's not because a stock Mogul is defective because they definitely are not.

~John

[[sammich]]

In all technicality, the Mogul was designed as a WM5 phone. A quick switch on HTC's end made it WM6

[hibby50]

i totally agree with saus

[hibby50]

All right i gotta step in here after reading this sucker. THE MOGUL IS HIGHLY UNUSABLE! I soft reset after each app. i listen to music, soft rest, view pics, soft reset. EVERYTIME I OPEN AN APP I SOFT RESET AND I AM RUNNING NUEROM3 WITH MANILA2D!

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by hibby50

All right i gotta step in here after reading this sucker. THE MOGUL IS HIGHLY UNUSABLE! I soft reset after each app. i listen to music, soft rest, view pics, soft reset. EVERYTIME I OPEN AN APP I SOFT RESET AND I AM RUNNING NUEROM3 WITH MANILA2D!

One it may be because you're using nuerom. If you have a stock rom, and all your doing is what you said above and your phone is trippin, then your phone is truely defective. They did not build a $600 phone and you cant open 1 app, listen to music, and then you have to reset??? you're not even using your phone to its potential and your having problems, imagine if you tried running some more powerful apps. I soft reset once a day but its definitely not after running 1 or 2 small apps. i'm positive on a hard reset if all you do is call, listen to music and open up 1 app, i would like to see you HAVE to reset.

[schettj]

Originally Posted by hibby50

All right i gotta step in here after reading this sucker. THE MOGUL IS HIGHLY UNUSABLE! I soft reset after each app. i listen to music, soft rest, view pics, soft reset. EVERYTIME I OPEN AN APP I SOFT RESET AND I AM RUNNING NUEROM3 WITH MANILA2D!

(screams into pillow)

(gives up, leaves)

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by schettj

(screams into pillow)

(gives up, leaves)

i know its funny, he can only open 1 program, then has to reset it. its highly unstable. But the first 30 days he had the phone it worked fine.

[RicoRich196]

What really gets me tight is the fact that (in regards to the 1st post listing all of those issues) HTC let's the phone out of the gate WITH all these issues with the mantra "we'll fix it later in a ROM update". It's ridiculous, a few weeks of beta testing the devices would've brought about these issues. Once again XDA and PPCG have to clean up HTC's mess. At least with Apple their device works relatively well out of the gate. Yes I know the new iPhone had it's share of issues but APPLE fixed them in a decent amount of time, if we left it up to HTC we'd be waiting almost 6 months to a year.

I'm not an Apple fanboy (never owned an iPhone) but I know a quality product when I see one. Apple would never let a device as big as theirs come out with as many issues as EVERY HTC phone released...

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by hibby50

EVERYTIME I OPEN AN APP I SOFT RESET AND I AM RUNNING NUEROM3 WITH MANILA2D!

OMG, you're running manilla2D & you're blaming the "defective phone" for your problems???????????????????? Are you kidding me???????

I give up.........

~John