Is it a given that the Touch Pro fixes the Mogul issues?

[schettj]

Originally Posted by TurboFool

lol, I only recently added Opera to my phone and rarely use it. I just gave that as an example of one app that consistently can't crack it. There's plenty. I had all these troubles before I touched Opera. IE would run out of memory on plenty of web pages, too, and other apps would drain my RAM down to nothing. And, again, the camera app is only sometimes usable.

Oh, come off it. The camera works every time - seriously now you're being silly. Shozu I have running in the background. Geotags every photo and uploads it to 3 sites for me, every time.

Qik! works - there, you're now better then an iPhone, you can live stream video to the web.

Lots of stuff works. Some of the biggest pigware does not, and no, you cannot run 3-4 things at the same time. So what? It's a qvga screen phone, not a workstation. Is it that hard to run only one or two things at once?

Web pages work, for the kind of pages I would want to use on a qvga screen. Anything else I will slap it on my laptop and use the nice huge laptop screen, keyboard, firefox 3.0, etc.

I honestly have no idea what device you're describing it so anathema to the mogul I have used for over 10 months now.

But like I said, go, get yourself a device with more ram, you'll be (somewhat) happier.

On topic, no device will correct what some people expect out of a device, apparently. But quadrupling the ram should help a bit.

[TurboFool]

I can't comprehend how you're avoiding the massive memory leaks and other issues, but go you! I applaud your amazing luck and success, combined with willingness to settle for basic functionality and use a notebook for what you can't use your phone for. I'll go back to constant Oxios use and occasionally having to soft-reset my phone in order to access common applications and take pictures, since that's the reality my phone frequently leaves me with.

[schettj]

LOL, just can't leave without a parting shot can you

I've got a Mogul, a Tilt, and an iPod Touch, along with a full workstation class notebook. Each tool is good for some jobs, not for others. I would never use a screwdriver to hammer nails, or if I did, I would not complain that it was a poor hammer. But that's just me.

You know what though? The Tilt (2x the ram) is a far worse phone (AT&T/GSM sucketh) and it has slower network performance (even 3G on AT&T sucketh) then the mogul. It does have 40mb more free ram on soft reset.

[stroths]

You have to keep in mind that the Mogul was designed for WM5, but was upgraded to WM6. That's partly why they put so little RAM on it. The touch on the other hand was designed with WM6 in mind and has much more RAM. Luckily, HTC and Sprint have learned from the Mogul mistakes and put a ton of RAM on the Touch Pro.

[TurboFool]

The Mogul was marketed as a certain type of device, and designed as that type of device. It doesn't live up to it. Plain and simple. That's what I'm saying. It's not my fault for expecting too much of it to run simple applications it comes with without having to soft-reset to clear up lost RAM. I'm not putting it through ridiculous paces. I'm doing basic things with basic applications, some of which came with the phone. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to hammer nails with a screwdriver and complaining about the screwdriver, I'm trying to hammer nails with something that was designed to be a hammer, marketed as a hammer, priced the same as the other hammers, yet stops responding after hitting certain nails and requires me to constantly put it away in my tool bag to cool off if I use it on several different types of nails that day, even when I fully close the nail container after each one.

You seem quite confident that I'm somehow expecting too much out of my phone, or misusing it, and your posts show that. That's why I can't simply let the potshots go. I've had this phone since its release 18 months ago, and although it's gotten consistently better (6.1 was a godsend), any suggestion that it has enough RAM to consistently run reasonable applications without constantly soft-resetting it to clear up missing RAM is a slap in the face to those of us who experience that on a daily basis. Spend a few days in the Titan forum and it'll become damn clear I'm not the only one with this problem. Why else would people be so excited by no2chem's nueROM3's ability to turn off the camera and free up a paltry 6MB of extra RAM? RAM is at a premium on this device, and its abilities are severely hampered by it. Period.

[schettj]

any suggestion that it has enough RAM to consistently run reasonable applications without constantly soft-resetting it to clear up missing RAM is a slap in the face to those of us who experience that on a daily basis.

Not a slap in the face, Farking reality, or you're calling me a liar. I'm feeling charitable today, so I'm going to assume we have a different definition of "run reasonable applications without constantly soft-resetting"

I've been here longer then you, I'm not some noob. I'm using a mogul, and I am not alone, and they work just fine if you don't load them up with multiple huge apps. Sure, double the ram will make it possible to do more wasteful things before the inherent poor design of WinMo brings it to its knees, but that's besides the point.

You're running a custom rom, I'm running the stock sprint rom. You're not happy, I'm very happy. Doesn't make you stupid. Doesn't make me stupid.

All I am saying is, your experience, while not completely atypical, is also not typical. It is very possible to have a good experience with the mogul as marketed in early 2007.

I'm not slapping you or anyone else in the face except when y'all start whining about how this is a horrible defective product that just plain does not work. That's just not true.

It's TELLING, and ON TOPIC to this post, that it is very possible that some subset of people will get the Pro and still find that, after all is said and done, it's still an HTC device running Windows Mobile, with all the bugs that go with that statement, and that will not be satisfactory.

Here, let me help you out.

I ADMIT it is possible to use a mogul such that you have a horrible user experience, and that some people will consider that usage "normal". You should be able to admit that it is possible to use a mogul such that you have a good user experience, and some people will consider that usage normal.

If you can't admit that, then I guess we live in radically different universes.

Oh, and I ADMIT you are expecting too much from the HARDWARE you purchased. You should be looking for new hardware. That's not a slap in the face, that's what you yourself have said multiple times. If you were talking about a PC, we'd both know a couple sticks of ram and you'd be golden. It's not a PC, you have to buy a new phone. What's the big mystery? I run a linux box with 4GB of ram - it's got three VMs on it, running XP, Centos, and something I can't discuss - that wouldn't work on a 1GB machine. That doesn't make the machine defective, it makes it unusable for that task. I either add ram, or if that's not possible I get another machine, or I don't try to do that on that machine.

No slap, just reality.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by TurboFool

Why else would people be so excited by no2chem's nueROM3's ability to turn off the camera and free up a paltry 6MB of extra RAM? RAM is at a premium on this device, and its abilities are severely hampered by it. Period.

That does make a big difference.

I am running nue3 & even with Wisbar3, Mobile shell (with weather panel in a tab), MS Voice Command, SIP change, S2U2, vistahide etc etc running at startup I still have just over 20MB of free mem at startup in high mem mode.

I have the camera disabled 99% of the time because it is a useless POS anyway (I have about six real digital cams if I want to take a pic).

~John

[[sammich]]

Well, I have to agree that most are jumping ship because of the RAM. I haven't flashed to nueROM 3 yet, but I've heard great things about it. I'm so sick of my phone giving me problems, it seems I need to hard reset monthly to get it to work fine.

I don't even have things running in the background. It locks up often, requiring a softreset.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by saumaun

I haven't flashed to nueROM 3 yet, but I've heard great things about it.

I don't even have things running in the background. It locks up often, requiring a softreset.

You might want to try DCD's 3.2.6 ROM, that is what I'm running on my 2nd xv6800. That ROM doesn't give you quite the esoteric features of nue, but it is very clean, fast & 100% stable.

~John

[jbearamus]

looks like a list of usual problems with a new windows mobile phone, completely understandable