dear chefs:nobody is willing to cook 6.1 anymore? ! the forum misses 6.1

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Wuzzy

Are you kidding me? I've flashed dozens of roms on the Touch Pro, and 6.1 has been faster in every way.

For the TP2, I still think the Sprint rom is faster than my current 6.5 rom, and is more stable too.

I'd rather have a nice, fast, stable 6.1 and sacrifice some "finger usability" and bugs that are in many 6.5 roms. I don't want to have to soft reset every day.

you said some finger usuability, if you turn off tf3d you lose all finger usuability. and if finger usability isn't your thing, then you need to jump to 2009

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Wuzzy

Are you kidding me? I've flashed dozens of roms on the Touch Pro, and 6.1 has been faster in every way.

I'm not sure what you folks think is so "optimized" about the WM6.1 code that makes it faster than WM6.5, but there is no evidence to suggest this is true.

I'm going to make a video soon of WM6.5.1 in action and you'll see how fast it is--with cache tweaks it crushes Wm6.1 in scrolling speed and smoothness.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Wuzzy

For the TP2, I still think the Sprint rom is faster than my current 6.5 rom, and is more stable too.

I'd rather have a nice, fast, stable 6.1 and sacrifice some "finger usability" and bugs that are in many 6.5 roms. I don't want to have to soft reset every day.

Name these "bugs" in WM6.5 itself (not custom ROM oversights) because I'm curious. If you could draw up a list it would be very helpful, because I haven't seen anyone do that yet who complains about WM6.5 in stock ROMs. People often speak in generalities but fail to provide details. WM6.5 as found in released devices is solid, that's why it went gold. And CFay and MightyMike both use stable versions of that OS.

I'm using Wm6.5.1, which is a lot less "stable" than WM6.5 and it's solid, no soft-resets necessary.

The Sprint ROM is pretty good, but a friend who is new to smartphones and WM asked as his first request: how do I make it less sluggish? So it's not that zippy, truth be told. You have to at least do some glyph and system cache tweaks to make it peppier, imo. Installing Chainfire's graphics tweak and/or Atom D3D also helps a tiny bit.

[bast525]

I know I personally fall in the camp of thinking that the best of the 6.1 builds I've tried (20954 tweaked by FormerPalmOS, and 21051 tweaked by Scrosler), have been noticeably faster than ANY of the 6.5 builds I'd tried on my TP1. Now, maybe this was partly due to the hardware, I dont know. But I tried many times to "upgrade" to 6.5, and usually within a day or two flashed back to one of the two mentioned 6.1 builds.

I do think 6.5 did some things better, and was pretty quick in some things, but it never was overall faster than the tweaked 6.1.

I want to see video of 6.1 vs 6.5 BOTH WITH THE SAME TWEAKS, if you're going to show any videos. The way you said it makes it sound like you will compare tweaked 6.5 to a stock 6.1. I do run quite a few tweaks on 6.1 now and it's pretty damn quick on the TP2, on the TP1 it was blazing. My crowning achievement was seeing the full Windows folder open in the stock file explorer in about 1 second flat I've yet to see that on ANY 6.5.

[solarflarex]

Originally Posted by Maan76

What up guys ! ............not even one version of your build is 6.1 , I know 6.5 is fully functional now , and bugs free , and stylus free!.....but 6.1 is fAAAAAAster ! and all the new TF3d versions can run on 6.1 base .

we really appreciate your hard work ,and your performance is exceptionaly high. but lacking 6.1 in the forum is obvious. and lacking 6.1 means lacking the speed of the device .
I am not a lurker , or a noob as my name tag states , I have a good contribution to this wonderful community since the Apache HTC 6700. but I do not know based on what is this categorization ! ................
so I know EXACTLY how hard is to build a GOOD ROM !



I can not forget the historical Mighty ROM 4.16 ( I ran a stock ROM with neu speed test at almost 800 MHZ and Mighty 4.16 on the standard processor speed ,still was faster ! than stock with 800 MHZ ! ) , and Juggalo X was so snappy for touch pro, Energy the eye candy and Silence ! not even one is thought in making a 6.1 build .

thank you for the hard work,I like TP2 to be faster than TP ( which is supposed to be ) , but I have not witnessed such accomplishment.

6.1 is ***

[Malatesta]

Originally Posted by bast525

I want to see video of 6.1 vs 6.5 BOTH WITH THE SAME TWEAKS, if you're going to show any videos. The way you said it makes it sound like you will compare tweaked 6.5 to a stock 6.1. I do run quite a few tweaks on 6.1 now and it's pretty damn quick on the TP2, on the TP1 it was blazing. My crowning achievement was seeing the full Windows folder open in the stock file explorer in about 1 second flat I've yet to see that on ANY 6.5.

I hear what you are saying but

1. I don't have that much time, nor 2 Touch Pro 2s to do a literal side by side
2. When you see 6.5.1 in action, I think it will easily evident that it is very quick and smooth--you might not be convinced it is faster than your tweaked WM6.1, but you should be convinced it isn't slower either

Besides, my main focus on the video will be the new features and usage of WM6.5.1, not necessarily a head-to-head with 6.1 because like the the lack of interest in custom 6.1 ROMs, there that much in seeing 6.1 videos either, lol

[bast525]

i've run the supposed 6.5.1 on my TP1.... I was not impressed. I did not like how much screen real estate the new soft keys took up at the bottom. I know this is not as much a factor on WVGA (unless of course you ever... you know.... use the device in landscape)... but it also did not play nice with some of the apps I use regularly.

What is so great about 6.5, really? What makes it so much better? The prettier soft menus (that go away if you change to a custom theme or at least did when I tried), that make larger menus more work than they are worth? Titanium? Those are about the only differences I saw at all. I just disable or dont use most of the stuff that makes 6.5 different than 6.1, which then leaves me with... a slower 6.1.

*shrug* beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

[Fuzzy Wuzzy]

Originally Posted by Malatesta

I'm not sure what you folks think is so "optimized" about the WM6.1 code that makes it faster than WM6.5, but there is no evidence to suggest this is true.

And is there any evidence to prove that a cooked 6.5 is faster than a cooked 6.1? I'm basing this off of personal experience, whether it is flashing Juicy's 6.5, Mighty's 6.5 and 6.1, etc.

Originally Posted by Malatesta

Name these "bugs" in WM6.5 itself (not custom ROM oversights) because I'm curious. If you could draw up a list it would be very helpful, because I haven't seen anyone do that yet who complains about WM6.5 in stock ROMs. People often speak in generalities but fail to provide details. WM6.5 as found in released devices is solid, that's why it went gold. And CFay and MightyMike both use stable versions of that OS.

Drawing errors, mainly. Example: 6.5 on my Touch Pro would 'tear' the screen at random screens, mainly the dialer and the text messages. 6.1 NEVER did this to me.

And throughout my experience with these roms, I always found 6.1 to be more stable. Example, Mighty's 6.1 Final rom was the most stable rom I used. Mighty's Final 6.5 rom was less stable, unfortunately. I can't give you specific examples of the bugs in it because it was the most random things.

I believe that the moral to these posts and threads is that to each their own.

I'll stick to my 6.1, you guys can stick to your 6.5

[redd214]

Originally Posted by bast525

i've run the supposed 6.5.1 on my TP1.... I was not impressed. I did not like how much screen real estate the new soft keys took up at the bottom. I know this is not as much a factor on WVGA (unless of course you ever... you know.... use the device in landscape)... but it also did not play nice with some of the apps I use regularly.

good to see some va people on here, i was actually born in chesapeake!

anyways, the difference in screen real estate is negligable at best see the attached pics below. 6.5.1 screenshot on top of a 6.1 screenshot. they took some off the top bar and added it to the bottom. pretty clear to see that the amount of screen is basically the same.

which apps did it conflict with? i know i had some issues with resco explorer but it was an easy fix.

Originally Posted by bast525

What is so great about 6.5, really? What makes it so much better? The prettier soft menus (that go away if you change to a custom theme or at least did when I tried), that make larger menus more work than they are worth? Titanium? Those are about the only differences I saw at all. I just disable or dont use most of the stuff that makes 6.5 different than 6.1, which then leaves me with... a slower 6.1.

*shrug* beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

for me personally it comes down to the fact that i use my stylus less with 6.5 than 6.1. i love the new start menu. i actually despised it at first but it grew on me over time. never really understood the hate of the start menu. it can be organized in the same exact way as your 6.1 start menu just with larger easier to tap icons *shrug*

i think its fair to say gents that we are all gonna have to agree to disagree. i concur that 6.5 isnt leaps and bounds ahead of 6.1, but it does everything 6.1 does and adds more features. the same cannot be said the other way.

Fuzzy Wuzzy summed it up the best:

"I believe that the moral to these posts and threads is that to each their own."

[mattdb]

Originally Posted by bast525

dunno if anyone already posted this, didnt feel like reading five pages but there is ONE kitchen available RIGHT NOW that you can custom cook a 6.1 ROM. Scrosler's SSK kitchen has the option of cooking a ROM using the stock 6.1 build (21052). So basically you can custom tailor the stock ROM using or taking out whatever options you want.

I used his rom for over a year on my TP1

I installed energy 6.5 to see if it would speed up the stock, and well it just seemed slow to me. I finally found Scott rom and am testing it now. And I really really hate that 6.5 menu system, why on earth honeycomb? and you can't find anything.

[Maan76]

Originally Posted by mattdb

I installed energy 6.5 to see if it would speed up the stock, and well it just seemed slow to me. I finally found Scott rom and am testing it now. And I really really hate that 6.5 menu system, why on earth honeycomb? and you can't find anything.

same here , one of the reasons that I hate 6.5 is the start menu.

come one it is a windows phone , why you do not use a classical windows menu ?

how did you find Scott's ROM
where did you find it ?