Any way to have a Verizon TP2 without a data plan ???

[goldenu]

I see no "scum" involved here, I refuse to pay Verizon's BS rates too. As for no data plan, I picked mine up on ebay and swapped it over to MetroPCS.

[nickb34]

This is the reason why I haven't already switched... I just don't see why they couldn't allow people to have the $9.99 add on package instead of the mandatory $29.99 (beside the fact that they are greedy bastards). I hope they lose enough business that they will actually have to be competetive with their pricing.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by nickb34

I hope they lose enough business that they will actually have to be competetive with their pricing.

That will never happen.

As far as the required data plan, 99% of the buyers won't be upset with that as they would have wanted a data plan on a PPC anyway........

~John

[WBFAir]

So let me get this straight.

$199.99 for the phone.

$29.99 extra a month (plus what ever extra fees and tax's that generates )

With two years contact that adds up to a minimum $719.76

$719.76 + $199.99 = $919.75

$919.75 because Verizon says so???

Sorry I'll pass.

You know another thing, I have been reading how Verizon did this because there were so many people who got phones like this but did not get a data plan but then somehow ended up getting some kind of data charge on their phone and called up an complained.


So tell me who’s fault is that?

It would seem to me that if you got phone from them that had a function that you don’t have as part of your plan, then shouldn’t the phone and or your usage of it just not be able to do that via them?

Wouldn’t that have to do with something between the hardware maker, the windows operating system and even more Verizon themselves for not setting up things up so the phone cannot perform a function that you do not have in your plan?

I mean right now if my phone has a browser but I don’t have it as part of my service and I try to use it, it just won’t work right?

It would seem to me that if Verizon can’t have a system where a phone with no data plan can’t be prevented from incurring data usage, thats their fault not mine, so why should I have to pay them $719.76 extra because of that?

From what I’ve herd isn’t it just as easy as heck to hack the windows mobile OS to hands down just not make any data connection and just use WiFi no matter what?

Anyway well thanks guys I appreciate the reply but I guess there will be one more TP2 available for the rest of you to give them all that money.

I’m sorry but I just have to may other responsibilities to throw away $719.76 dollars for nothing.

Enjoy.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Sorry I'll pass.

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So go buy something else & leave the TP2's for people who are still trying to get one.

I am totally happy with my phone (& also with VZ service for that matter)

~John

[SKS06460]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

You know another thing, I have been reading how Verizon did this because there were so many people who got phones like this but did not get a data plan but then somehow ended up getting some kind of data charge on their phone and called up an complained.


So tell me who’s fault is that?

Just to add some information to the mix, I remember when all that happened as I was one of the people who complained. It was the change from the Treo 600 to the Treo 650.

On the Treo 600, you could open up your internet browser, do your business for a few minutes and then shut down the browser. You got charged for the few minutes you were on the internet....no big deal. The browser disconnected from the internet when you closed it.

Then came the Treo 650 and push mail. So, you opened up your browser, did your business, then closed your browser ...BUT YOU REMAINED CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. You weren't aware of it since the previous version automatically disconnected when the browser closed. Next thing you know, you had a huge charge on your bill. After looking into all the options, you found there was NO WAY to automatically disconnect from the internet when you closed the browser, that option had been eliminated to accommodate push mail . This forced Verizon to require the unlimited data plans on any phone that connected to the internet.

That's the reason I switched to Sprint, because the phone and data plans were so much less expensive, and I haven't been sorry since. I even got the $199 price match...............

[1454]

Originally Posted by jmorton10

That will never happen.

As far as the required data plan, 99% of the buyers won't be upset with that as they would have wanted a data plan on a PPC anyway........

~John

I really hate when people complain about prices. Really, if you don't want to pay it, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I pay the 29.99 because I use internet a lot when I travel, as well as streaming radio. I have had no problem with it. Also I use it for Hava(same as sling box). They charge what the market will allow. If people weren't willing to pay it, then they wouldn't charge it. Do I think it is a little high, yes. But if I didn't like It I could always go to sprint. But I have had numerous problems with sprint, and there is a reason I left. It it worth the extra 20 or so a month I pay to not have to deal with the BS I had to with sprint. Again, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. What is it with everybody wanting something for free?

This rant wasn't meant for john as much as for nick.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by 1454

I really hate when people complain about prices. Really, if you don't want to pay it, then don't. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I pay the 29.99 because I use internet a lot when I travel, as well as streaming radio. I have had no problem with it. Also I use it for Hava(same as sling box). They charge what the market will allow. If people weren't willing to pay it, then they wouldn't charge it. Do I think it is a little high, yes. But if I didn't like It I could always go to sprint. But I have had numerous problems with sprint, and there is a reason I left. It it worth the extra 20 or so a month I pay to not have to deal with the BS I had to with sprint. Again, if you don't like it, then don't buy it. What is it with everybody wanting something for free?

I agree with you 100%.

I left Sprint for a reason also (& I don't miss it one bit).

I'm not thrilled with what VZ charges either, but I would MUCH rather pay VZ's rates than ever go back to Sprint.......

~John

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by vzwdts

This may be the dumbest argument I've ever seen posted to this board. Don't want to pay for a data plan? Don't buy the phone. Don't want to pay the monthly access that Verizon wants? Don't sign up for their service. Also, please read up on anti-trust laws as clearly you have no idea what their purpose is.

I always love how someone always says if you don't like one part of something then don't buy the whole thing.

So explain to me vzedts and everyone else who says this, if I don't do as you say, how do I get a TP2 with a phone, how do I get the TP2's camera, how do I get the TP2's GPS that I can use on a TP2 with my windows mobile ready GPS program?

How do I get a 6.1 WM device with a promise to upgrade to 6.5?

How do I get the screen the TP2 has, how do I get that screen with a pull out keyboard that I can tilt the screen on?

How I do I get all that the TP2 is with all the latest of the best components inside as well without buying the TP2?

I can go on and on like this but I think I made my point.

And btw I am not asking for anything for free, I want and will pay for what I will use.

If its anyone its actually is the carriers that are trying to get something for free by making me pay for something I'm not going to use, and there not even asking, there telling, and without giving me any other option.

In getting back to the device more over the whole POINT of this device is that it is all these devices all rolled into one.

Basically this device is the one of the most cutting edges of technology at this point as it incorporates a whole host of some of the best of these devices all rolled into one convenient portable device.

Which by doing this makes this a one and only kind of a device that cannot be had in any other way.

And btw as it is made the way it is made, it also allows me to browse the internet via a built in WiFi connection "and" use it as a phone as it was indented and was built to be used that way, as well as used in every other aspect, all "without" a data connection, it is only by Verizons mandate an all others who have now followed suit that I cannot.

And as I think I have given the impression, if a full time data connection is what you need or want to have and have no issue paying for it then more power to you but to not offer a no data plan if you don't want, especially for the reasons they are doing this, is just wrong.

I mean, they don't that for the text or any other function of the device do they?

So why does it have to be that way for data?

Again the more and more I read about this I think the very fact that they have used excuses that the phone needs it or that they did this to help users ovoid charges which are both just total lies proves even more that the reasoning for this is nothing more then they are just trying to scam more money and it just isn't right.

As far as the anti trust stuff grated I may not be a lawyer but for instance, say since my local cable company has installed WiFi everywhere, now that this is mandatory, they have forcefully stole that business from them without giving their customers a choice. That seems like it might be part of that. And as well for making me the real victim by making me pay for it twice, there must be something in that.

Then as well, what about all the local small business that have spent a bunch of money to attract customers by offering free WiFi internet access? Now they loose that business with no way to compete with that as their customers have been given no other choice.

And how about all the state and local government buildings and schools and libraries that spent so much time and money for WiFi, much of which has all been paid for essentially by us the tax payers so that they we can use devices just such as these for free for internet access, which was the whole point.

This unfairly makes all that a waist of money and now we have no choice but to pay twice for that even though we don’t really have too all because Verizon and the other carries are forcing us too.

And btw since I have been doing more research on this and have found that I am hardly alone on this.

In fact I have to do some more reading but there are many that are continuing to complain to the FCC about this and I think there is even a US senator involved.

Here is blurb about this posted on 9/22/09 by a person named Compguy65 on this page with a 112 comments on it:http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...erge/#comments

Just discovered that the current FCC investigation into wireless companies was because of the efforts and concerns of Senator Herb Kohl from Wisconsin. He is the Chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights. Since his web contact form is only for Wisconsin residents, here is his email for the general public to contact him, from the U.S. Senate website: senator_kohl@kohl.senate.gov

I would think he would want to know what consumers think about this policy.

Amongst those comments you will see contacts on how to complain to the FCC about this too, as well as what others have written to them.

Also I think I saw a comment on how to write to the head of Verizon about this too.

Just to note, I apologize if some of this info is inaccurate, I’ve been searching and posting on the net all day about this an learning a lot as I have gone a long, so I’m pretty tired and getting kinda loopy at this point but I think and hope its all correct and in conforming to this boards rules but if any of it is not, I apologize.

I tell you what though, I think I may have found a new cause to live in life and personally I feel that any effort on this is not fruitless as it would seem to me that there “are” venues for this injustice and to just take this lying down is not the only choice.

We are not powerless in this.

Personally I think if enough people complain about this, it can be changed.

And with a 21 million dollar taste in Verizons mouth from the FCC already, they know this too.

And if you think this will cost us more by doing this...well with this as a perfect example, especially with every other carrier following suit so fast it has made our heads spin...what do you think it will cost us in the long run if we don't?

Thanks for the comments guys, will keep you posted.

[clueless25]

You couldn't pry this Tp2 out of my hand lol. Sorry i waited so long to get a toy like this!

Originally Posted by nickb34

This is the reason why I haven't already switched... I just don't see why they couldn't allow people to have the $9.99 add on package instead of the mandatory $29.99 (beside the fact that they are greedy bastards). I hope they lose enough business that they will actually have to be competetive with their pricing.

On antoher note. I wanted it originally for just the take along Office programs. But hey theres more to use the phone for. So I'm keeping it!