Pro 2 is Also missing 3d accelaration. Confirmed! - Page 14

pbeaul · #1 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gTen

Exil3d..I think they are right..when they go to restaurants..they don't expect knives, forks and plates...since they aren't on the menu..and if your food is placed on the floor, you can still eat it so it no way hinders, right?

I get where you're coming from... but does anyone know the prices associated with the licensing fees? Sure, I'd like the improvement to my phone... but I'm as close to perfectly happy with my phone as I've ever been with the touch pro 2. I welcome improvement, would I be willing to pay 20+ bucks for enhanced graphics drivers... can't say that I would.

Comparing this to forks and knives isn't exactly the same thing. Would people eat at a restaurant with no forks and knives? Yea... like 0.01% of the people would... effectively ignoring a huge percentage of people, unless you're purposely catering to that niche market. Will people buy an HTC touch pro 2 (or any other model) phone even though it doesn't have built-in graphics drivers? Yes, large majority of people that the phone appeals to will buy it with or without drivers. The business decision comes into play is how many MORE customers will be gained/lost versus the cost of licensing.

I, like jessiethe3rd and I assume many others purchased the phone for its practical applications... I don't care how well it renders divx videos or plays games. Yes, I'm well aware that there are many practical applications for good 2D/3D drivers outside of those and think it would be a good idea to include drivers as it does nothing but enhance the device. But without knowing the licensing fees it's hard to call them greedy and/or make other blanket statements.

**Noir** · #2 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 05:11 PM

no indication of whether the qualcomm drivers will drastically improve things based on specs of htc devices? I mean we toss it around that htc won't pay for drivers but how much would it change things?

Exil3d · #3 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pbeaul

I get where you're coming from... but does anyone know the prices associated with the licensing fees? Sure, I'd like the improvement to my phone... but I'm as close to perfectly happy with my phone as I've ever been with the touch pro 2. I welcome improvement, would I be willing to pay 20+ bucks for enhanced graphics drivers... can't say that I would.

Comparing this to forks and knives isn't exactly the same thing. Would people eat at a restaurant with no forks and knives? Yea... like 0.01% of the people would... effectively ignoring a huge percentage of people, unless you're purposely catering to that niche market. Will people buy an HTC touch pro 2 (or any other model) phone even though it doesn't have built-in graphics drivers? Yes, large majority of people that the phone appeals to will buy it with or without drivers. The business decision comes into play is how many MORE customers will be gained/lost versus the cost of licensing.

I, like jessiethe3rd and I assume many others purchased the phone for its practical applications... I don't care how well it renders divx videos or plays games. Yes, I'm well aware that there are many practical applications for good 2D/3D drivers outside of those and think it would be a good idea to include drivers as it does nothing but enhance the device. But without knowing the licensing fees it's hard to call them greedy and/or make other blanket statements.

Come ON! HOw much is a driver gonna cost? 1000000000 dollars? Its a small code for gods sake! matter of fact they have it written for the GUP already! Its not like the just design a GPU and say.."Now how do we program it?" No... the drivers are done and finished.

**gTen** · #4 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pbeaul

Comparing this to forks and knives isn't exactly the same thing. Would people eat at a restaurant with no forks and knives? Yea... like 0.01% of the people would... effectively ignoring a huge percentage of people, unless you're purposely catering to that niche market. Will people buy an HTC touch pro 2 (or any other model) phone even though it doesn't have built-in graphics drivers? Yes, large majority of people that the phone appeals to will buy it with or without drivers. The business decision comes into play is how many MORE customers will be gained/lost versus the cost of licensing.
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It is EXACTLY the same thing...I'm sure at least 30% or more of the world population eats like this if not more..because to them its part of daily life and they don't have a choice...if you were starving you'd eat food off the floor before you know it. Same thing...we don't have much choice other then the TP2 for business use if we want a function phone, if another manufacturer like Samsung were to release similar phone with drivers, then I'd obviously go that way.

Not to mention, there are many people out there who are willing to pay extra to get the drivers..but thats not even an option. I'm sure you'll find that a few thousand people would pay extra to get those drivers. I mean they could sell the drivers like they sell software for 20$-50$ per device...and I assure you people will buy.

Most people that buy the HTC devices though probably don't know that drivers are not included. Trust me, if the drivers were included in all devices and there was plenty of choice and the TP2 didn't have them, there would be outrage at HTC. You accept it because your used to it being this way.

Exil3d · #5 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gTen

Exil3d..I think they are right..when they go to restaurants..they don't expect knives, forks and plates...since they aren't on the menu..and if your food is placed on the floor, you can still eat it so it no way hinders, right?

Well... put it this way. I would not pay for that dinner in the first place. Now.. if you damand to get a table and pay for it in advance.. you should get the table.

8notime · #6 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jessiethe3rd

take a step back and look at what we have. A phone system bolted onto a solid pocket pc os. Lot of gum, scotch tape, and sewing to create an experience. What is truely needed is a 100% re-write of the os which takes the wm platform to a new level. There needs to be a connection at the core of the os - the reason why htc has been so successful is because it has woven the connection point between the os and the phone experience better then microsoft has done.

With that said, i use my phone as a productivity tool. This is not a gaming device for me - it's a connection device to the ms infrastructure in the backend. While more consumers are demanding a iphone like device i still crave the capabilities of my phone to connect and play well with the backend that i need it to.

Sure it'd be nice to have 3d acceleration but let's be honest here - what does this do for me? Allow me to play games or show off hdwobble and beer drinking .99 apps? Seriously, not my cup of tea folks.

I commend ex for putting together a post about htc's cheapness. I think it's terrible but does it make my decision for buying this phone regretful? Heck no. Simply put it's the best wm device out currently. If one wants / needs more then don't be a slave to your device, choose what works best for you... At the end of the day it's just a tool.

exactly!!!

Exil3d · #7 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 07:34 PM

BTW.. drivers are not simple so I correct myself. Althou they are not impossible and they are not worth extra money. Evrything in telecommunicATIONS REQUIRE DRIVERS SO THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE INCLUDED. oNCE WE LET COMPANIES START TAKING AWAY SNIPS AND BITS THEN THEY WILL CHARGE EXTRA NOT ONLY FOR DRIVERS BUT FOR Colors on the screen.

**gTen** · #8 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Exil3d

BTW.. drivers are not simple so I correct myself. Althou they are not impossible and they are not worth extra money. Evrything in telecommunicATIONS REQUIRE DRIVERS SO THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE INCLUDED. oNCE WE LET COMPANIES START TAKING AWAY SNIPS AND BITS THEN THEY WILL CHARGE EXTRA NOT ONLY FOR DRIVERS BUT FOR Colors on the screen.

One thing at a time...I would prefer to pay extra to just get the drivers already as an option then wait years for them to finally decide to give them free.

Just like lets say your in an apartment, and you don't get enough heat during winter...sure you can argue forever with the landlord..or you can buy an electric heater yourself first so your still warm, then argue. Get the point?

buddhatikkigod · #9 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 07:53 PM

yes technically they could start charging for driver and driver updates but its why we have competition. If BFG who sells Nvidia cards starting charging for driver updates then people would just switch to another company or if nvidia starting charging driver updates people would switch to ATI.

Youre not being forced to buy the HTC Touch Pro 2 if it really upsets you that HTC refuses to pay for the drivers then go buy an Iphone or an Omnia

this argument has just gotten surreal

**gTen** · #10 (**permalink**) 08-30-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by buddhatikkigod

yes technically they could start charging for driver and driver updates but its why we have competition. If BFG who sells Nvidia cards starting charging for driver updates then people would just switch to another company or if nvidia starting charging driver updates people would switch to ATI.

Youre not being forced to buy the HTC Touch Pro 2 if it really upsets you that HTC refuses to pay for the drivers then go buy an Iphone or an Omnia

this argument has just gotten surreal

The Omnia and the iPhone are not direct competitors with the TP2...If I got an Omnia Pro I might reconsider the TP2 if they do not release the drivers.