No more firefox for winmo..and proof development is dieing

[bloodhound3785]

Firefox isnt being developed for win 6.5 or 7,
does that mean winmo 7 is dying?
This is just politics b/t huge software companies...
mozilla wants an ndk before any further development...
msft is probably trying to keep this a tight platform at launch for minimal crashes / bugs / etc and this will open the doors as things dont break - also with the whole eu ballot thing, this might be their way of saying f.u. to mozilla too.
Oh and mozilla wants to develop for winmo 7 (idk bout 6) as they see it will be a solid platform for the future or mobile smartphone os's

[gTen]

Originally Posted by bloodhound3785

Firefox isnt being developed for win 6.5 or 7,
does that mean winmo 7 is dying?
This is just politics b/t huge software companies...
mozilla wants an ndk before any further development...
msft is probably trying to keep this a tight platform at launch for minimal crashes / bugs / etc and this will open the doors as things dont break - also with the whole eu ballot thing, this might be their way of saying f.u. to mozilla too.
Oh and mozilla wants to develop for winmo 7 (idk bout 6) as they see it will be a solid platform for the future or mobile smartphone os's

Ok..it is given that once M$ said no wm6.5 compatibility that many would stop developing it..firefox and adobe were already far in developing wm apps but due to the announcement stopped because they see that M$ has abandoned the platform.

As for WP7..Mozilla wants native execution because if they don't have that they can't make a decent browser that will compete or surpass with IE which does have native execution.

Now on the topic of M$..I honestly think M$ is dieing...my reasoning is..when was the last time M$ did something innovative? And no matter ow you look at it Google is gaining ground..because their business model is far superior to M$...many don't realize that google makes 99% of its money on 1 product and everything they do revolves around that 1 product.

Microsoft will end up dieing at this rate...their stronghold that is windows while does dominate the OS market you gotta consider this...90% of the people who use pcs only want to read their email and surf the internet..that is why netbooks our outselling everything now..Linux debuted on netbook but it is not made for average user..which Google plans to fix with ChromeOS. (And if Google can include a windows app emulator in Chrome then windows will pretty much loose everything)

Their other stronghold is the office suite but Open Office is also gaining ground..and in mobile market Android is beating them too..

Don't get me wrong I'm not pro Google in any way..but at this rate they will destroy M$ alogn side other companies.

Again, Microsoft will not go away. They are too big and have too much money. They will definitely have a role, but a very diminished role compared to say, 3 years ago.

Same could have been said about Enron, AIG, the banks or even Roman Empire..all things come to an end eventually

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by gTen

Same could have been said about Enron, AIG, the banks or even Roman Empire..all things come to an end eventually

As long as Microsoft still dominates the desktop/notebook and to some a smaller degree, office they will a force. I don't see them as an Enron or AIG yet. They are still very much on solid ground.

The point being is that Microsoft unlike Palm does NOT depend on their mobile OS to stay afloat. So for that reason, that's why I think they'll still be around for a while.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by x10guy

As long as Microsoft still dominates the desktop/notebook and to some a smaller degree, office they will a force. I don't see them as an Enron or AIG yet. They are still very much on solid ground.

The point being is that Microsoft unlike Palm does NOT depend on their mobile OS to stay afloat. So for that reason, that's why I think they'll still be around for a while.

Microsoft makes as much money on office as they do on windows..that is why they saved Apple from bankruptcy back in the days...they did not want to loose their Office for Apple revenue.

But in general Microsoft is loosing on many fronts.

WM = going down the drain
IE = Due to EU thing they already lost like 2% and it is probably gonna go up
Office=had no competition before but now open office and for live they face google
Windows=They have improved but many still use xp because they dont need new windows and if chrome comes out for free may kill it in the low end market
MSSQL=is being destroyed by Mysql which has now got Oracle behind it
Search= Google is wiping the floor with them, they did team up with yahoo on this but this also means less revenue profit for them unless they pull it off.

Only thing they are doing well on is maybe xbox now that they got over their 50% fail rates...

But the loss of windows mobile for business will most likely impact M$ Exchange..and many are starting to use Gmail sync rather. Not to mention the SyncML protocol. If Exchange dies, their Server OS will be hurt...see its all a domino effect.

[zone23]

Originally Posted by gTen

Microsoft makes as much money on office as they do on windows..that is why they saved Apple from bankruptcy back in the days...they did not want to loose their Office for Apple revenue.

But in general Microsoft is loosing on many fronts.

WM = going down the drain
IE = Due to EU thing they already lost like 2% and it is probably gonna go up
Office=had no competition before but now open office and for live they face google
Windows=They have improved but many still use xp because they dont need new windows and if chrome comes out for free may kill it in the low end market
MSSQL=is being destroyed by Mysql which has now got Oracle behind it
Search= Google is wiping the floor with them, they did team up with yahoo on this but this also means less revenue profit for them unless they pull it off.

Only thing they are doing well on is maybe xbox now that they got over their 50% fail rates...

But the loss of windows mobile for business will most likely impact M$ Exchange..and many are starting to use Gmail sync rather. Not to mention the SyncML protocol. If Exchange dies, their Server OS will be hurt...see its all a domino effect.

Actually they fixed the xbox a while ago and every sale now is almost a 100% profit (RD was paid for a long time ago). XBox live makes a fortune. You know this is 2010 right cause you seem a little out dated with your info. OK carry on..

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by gTen

But in general Microsoft is loosing on many fronts.

WM = going down the drain
IE = Due to EU thing they already lost like 2% and it is probably gonna go up
Office=had no competition before but now open office and for live they face google
Windows=They have improved but many still use xp because they dont need new windows and if chrome comes out for free may kill it in the low end market
MSSQL=is being destroyed by Mysql which has now got Oracle behind it
Search= Google is wiping the floor with them, they did team up with yahoo on this but this also means less revenue profit for them unless they pull it off.

Only thing they are doing well on is maybe xbox now that they got over their 50% fail rates...

But the loss of windows mobile for business will most likely impact M$ Exchange..and many are starting to use Gmail sync rather. Not to mention the SyncML protocol. If Exchange dies, their Server OS will be hurt...see its all a domino effect.

All I can say is Wow. I agree that Microsoft is losing on the mobile front. It's been dying a slow death for several years.

But to say that Microsoft is losing on all those fronts is a bit of a stretch. Their bread-n-butter is the desktop and Windows 7 is doing quite well. Right now I can't see Chrome as a huge threat. Same thing was said about Linux and "the low end market" in years past. Linux is basically Free too... and yet walk into any Best Buy and see how many computers you can buy with Linux on them vs. Windows. Of course there will ALWAYS be competition and anything can happen but to say that Chrome might kill Microsoft Windows in the low end is really a stretch right now.

Now I'm not saying Microsoft can't improve in some areas. But all this doom, Microsoft is dying is a bit silly. In the Mobile arena, yes. But they are still one of the biggest forces in the tech area.

[gTen]

Originally Posted by x10guy

All I can say is Wow. I agree that Microsoft is losing on the mobile front. It's been dying a slow death for several years.

But to say that Microsoft is losing on all those fronts is a bit of a stretch. Their bread-n-butter is the desktop and Windows 7 is doing quite well. Right now I can't see Chrome as a huge threat.

Now I'm not saying Microsoft can't improve in some areas. But all this doom, Microsoft is dying is a bit silly. In the Mobile arena, yes. But they are still one of the biggest forces in the tech area.

Actually I am looking at the big picture here...Win 7 did well you are right..but it doesn't change the fact that XP is still there:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Just like how iPhone is doing many don't need the best, they want simple..most people all they want is to check their email an internet..many people even believe mobile phones will overtake pcs in the near future...That is why netbooks are doing so well..

I mean I can run winxp on a 100$ pc as win7 requires at least 500$ for a full pc...why do people need 500$ just to check their emails when $100 is enough?

Edit:

stop thinking so short term. they had to do that. everything they were attempting with winmo 5, 6, 6.1, 6.5 wasnt working whatsoever. it was either go down with the sinking ship or build an entirly new one.sure they MIGHT take a hit this year but for the long run it was really thier only choice.

on another note, everyone is so up and arms about the backward comp. thing. honestly if i were to get a wp7 handset (which i doubt i will) i really wouldnt want apps designed for wm 6.1/6.5 running on it anyways. think about the apps you use most frequently, do you honestly think there wont be a wp7 equivalent?? thats just me of cousre

I am not thinking short term I am taking account the entire picture..I understand microsft's decision to go the Apple way..but at the same time this shows that even with M$ resources they could not pull off a simple platform and functionality of a pc..Android on the other hand is pulling it off..The problem was not with wm6, the problem was M$ never stood behind their mobile platform and lost control...

I know they will release apps and people will break security and install whatever that is not my point...I am criticizing the company for releasing the no compatibility and no upgrade thing to the public..this info favors us cause we know but it hurts M$..this year will be a dead year for their mobile division.

[x10guy]

Originally Posted by gTen

Actually I am looking at the big picture here...Win 7 did well you are right..but it doesn't change the fact that XP is still there:

I was mainly responding to your point that Microsoft is losing on so many fronts and specifically that "Chrome may kill Microsoft in the low end market." Other points I do agree.

That was my main point. I just thought that point your made about Chrome was a stretch...

(BTW... Microsoft still makes money with XP machines)