Data Plan Required

[WBFAir]

Originally Posted by Paragon

WBFAir, why are you still going on?

It's like buying a 5 litre Mustang and complaining you are paying too much for gas, when a VW Beetle would do the job. AS has been said many times in this thread....go elsewhere. If you think they are stealing, fine, think what you want. It's only a fool who continues to let someone continually take money from them every month for something they don't need or want, and an even bigger fool who signs a contract with them.

Dave

Just to point out the one flaw in this Dave and with the other point that someone made of buying shoes without shoelaces, is that the gas or shoelaces are virtually 100% required items for these items to function as designed.

But as I have stated and proven by my own use, that data plan is not a 100% required item for these devices to work.

In other words, I have not once said that we should be able to get these devices without a battery, or the OS or heck even the phone plan for that matter, as those are all very largely necessary items for this device to function as designed.

But that data plan is not and in fact for many is not even a 1% item for them to use it.

But it is a 100% item they are forcing us to pay for if we want to get it at all though isn't it.

An as we are given no choice for that we are have no choice about it.

As I have always stated, I have never disputed that some may need the data plan an I understand an support if that, if that is what you want, the more power to you, but for those that don’t and do not need any of that to get 100% usage out of all the other functions they may want to buy this device for, they should not be forced to pay for something they will not be using and do not need just to get all that.

Make it a choice and every one will get what they want, except maybe for the ones who may have to pay more for what they get now as it is not being paid for by those who don’t want that.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by WBFAir

Just to point out the one flaw in this Dave and with the other point that someone made of buying shoes without shoelaces, is that the gas or shoelaces are virtually 100% required items for these items to function as designed.

But as I have stated and proven by my own use, that data plan is not a 100% required item for these devices to work.

In other words, I have not once said that we should be able to get these devices without a battery, or the OS or heck even the phone plan for that matter, as those are all very largely necessary items for this device to function as designed.

But that data plan is not and in fact for many is not even a 1% item for them to use it.

But it is a 100% item they are forcing us to pay for if we want to get it at all though isn't it.

An as we are given no choice for that we are have no choice about it.

As I have always stated, I have never disputed that some may need the data plan an I understand an support if that, if that is what you want, the more power to you, but for those that don’t and do not need any of that to get 100% usage out of all the other functions they may want to buy this device for, they should not be forced to pay for something they will not be using and do not need just to get all that.

Make it a choice and every one will get what they want, except maybe for the ones who may have to pay more for what they get now as it is not being paid for by those who don’t want that.

Wrong again shoe laces are not 100% required for shoes I can show you many styles where shoe laces are removed. 2nd if footlocker wanted to charge extra for shoelaces they would still have the right to charge whatever they want just like you have the right to buy your shoes somewhere else. All your points fail and are bad points. You keep giving examples that don't benefit your point. Verizon is doing nothing wrong. You as the customer have options which make it not stealing. Yes they may be extorting you but in no means is it immoral. If you feel like you're being taken advantage of then bounce. You are the ONLY one arguing your point in here so its obvious you're wrong.

[p-slim]

Wbfair is the only one who believes walking away from Verizon isn't an option thats the only reason I can come up with for him to keep arguing. Walking away is an option. As long as you keep giving them money you're the fool wbfair.

[Mojary]

get a clue man. you yourself already rendered your argument about not having a choice as moot. mainly for the main reason that you said "the only choice is no choice". then do you not agree that right there...you had a choice?!?! i'd be surprised if you still said no. and i didn't make any assumptions...that's why i said for you to correct me if i was wrong. and you said that you've talked to verizon and the verizon store to no avail. dude...you do know customer service and the store is different from the department im talking about right? have you even tried getting a hold of their retentions department? i try to help you out by pointing you to the right direction, but what do you do?...you give more excuses on what you've already done. and no...you haven't answered my question at all. i asked if you've ever talked to retentions. you turn around and ask me back show you stats on the people who's done this. you're a fool my friend....and i mean that at the nicest possible way and with utmost respect to you. and no...im not gonna tell you which of the verizon customers have been successful in talking to them. DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK. i could care less what verizon does because i am not their customer. and i wouldn't be their customer again because of bad experience. and guess what i did?...i switched to another carrier. yeah it was a carrier that had the same requirements as verizon, but it was the lesser of the two evils. but at least the one i chose gives me a great deal on my monthly plan. you are aware that the retentions department does have the power to override store and CS reps you've talked to right? this department does exactly what their name stands for. RETAIN customers...and how do they do that?...by talking to you and trying to meet you in the middle...meaning by giving you concession(s) so you would stay with their company.

like i said...consumer 101. only somebody lazy enough not to do their own research/homework will think that capitalism works in favor of the consumer. and you're fighting a losing battle on this thread. why?...because you are asking the people to "band" with you to get big red to do what you want...but we actually like our plan with the included data plan in it. oh and btw...almost everyone who responded to you use sprint. so again...you are airing your grievance in the wrong forum. you may want to go to a verizon customers forum and air your grievance there. what's sad about this is...i just realized that with all everything you said...it always came down with you saying "show me where...show me this...prove to me this...". which only gives me the impression that you want us (other people) to do your homework for you...instead of you tracking the information down.

[JGGiant]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Wrong again shoe laces are not 100% required for shoes I can show you many styles where shoe laces are removed. 2nd if footlocker wanted to charge extra for shoelaces they would still have the right to charge whatever they want ...

OMG! Has this really turned into a shoe lace argument?

My son has an HTC 6800 on Verizon without the data plan. Since he has WiFi available at work and home, it is not a big deal. He uses his phone to hold a database of customer preferences and contact info. He almost never uses data anyway.

He is in constant fear that it will break and have to be replaced with a "compatible device" that will require adding data.

Texting is a service that you are not required to pay for if you don't use it. Data should fall into the same category.

[p-slim]

Originally Posted by JGGiant

OMG! Has this really turned into a shoe lace argument?

My son has an HTC 6800 on Verizon without the data plan. Since he has WiFi available at work and home, it is not a big deal. He uses his phone to hold a database of customer preferences and contact info. He almost never uses data anyway.

He is in constant fear that it will break and have to be replaced with a "compatible device" that will require adding data.

Texting is a service that you are not required to pay for if you don't use it. Data should fall into the same category.

Data should but it doesn't and there is nothing you can do about it and is perfectly legal. You as the customer have the option to stay with them or not, just like you have the option to buy a smartphone or something like an envy. We can't tell Verizon what to do with their network we can only choose to pay them or not.

[jmorton10]

Originally Posted by p-slim

Wbfair is the only one who believes walking away from Verizon isn't an option thats the only reason I can come up with for him to keep arguing. Walking away is an option. As long as you keep giving them money you're the fool wbfair.

heck, you don't even have to give up Verizon.

It's not like every single VZ phone requires data, they have plenty of phones available that data is NOT required on. Just buy one of them & quit bitching.........

~John

[WBFAir]

Well as I have said, and as it has been well documented, I feel that I have been on this merry go round long enough and it is quite obvious and has been for some time now that most here are not interested in discussing the main topic of this thread but just posting in hope to insult me or getting the last word in as they feel that some how that will magically make all their twisted points right and all my correct points wrong (hey, what is it they say…twisted is as twisted does?)

And I’m adult enough and wise enough just as I’m sure most who would care to read though all this are too, to see that for what it is and walk away from it as I know that means nothing for them.

Besides I feel my mission here is done and that most if not all of the lies and liars have been exposed for what they are and that all that is here for all to see so that if anyone comes here and wants to know the truth, it is here.

So I think since as I have been brought down the level of these people long enough an all that has been done I really see no point in continuing to go around and around with it all so I think really is time for me to bid this thread a fond fair well.

After all, not all of us can spend all of our time with such things as while we can wiggle out of some of this stuff to some degree, there still are a tremendous more people such as the ones on this thread who feel it is completely right to dump their responsibilities on and steal from others and in ways that are not so easy to get out of an as such there are people like me who have to work so they can do that unfortunately, so really I must get back to that.

So thanks to all who have supported me and best of luck and I hope some of this was of some help to those that needed it.

[Mojary]

wow...im sorry you feel that way wbfair. but i thought that for the most part, the main topic was discussed...granted that it veered this way and that for a post or two...but for the most part, your original topic was discussed extensively. you just really fail to step out of your circle to even consider our replies to you. trust me, everyone here knows what you're saying...and we feel what your saying. but you just see, as p-slim said, one side of it (which is your side). and i wonder when you said "I have been brought down the level of these people long enough...", down to what level you were brought down? because i'd like to remind you that it does take two to tango. whatever level you felt you were brought down to would've only succeeded if you let yourself go down to whatever that level is.

but...i do bid you good luck in your endeavors regarding your fight for having the data plan as a choice.

[dtrush]

Originally Posted by JGGiant

OMG! Has this really turned into a shoe lace argument?

My son has an HTC 6800 on Verizon without the data plan. Since he has WiFi available at work and home, it is not a big deal. He uses his phone to hold a database of customer preferences and contact info. He almost never uses data anyway.

He is in constant fear that it will break and have to be replaced with a "compatible device" that will require adding data.

Texting is a service that you are not required to pay for if you don't use it. Data should fall into the same category.

Lol! There's another person existing that agrees that this data plan shouldn't be required if you don't use it. We all like our Wi-Fi and it works better than the "3G" and serves our purposes well. AND of course doesn't cost us anymore than what we already pay through our normal course of home/work internet.
That's what happened to me, I cracked my Samsung i760 screen, researched out what phone I'd like to get next, came up with a Touch Pro & got the surprise you owe us $30 more per month for the privelage of using that phone you paid someone outright for.

Originally Posted by Mojary

just a quick question for dtrush and wbfair. did you have a smartphone/ppc with a regular voice plan before upgrading your account to the tp2 and renewing for another 2yr contract with big red?

Yes, I went from Samsung i730 launch date --> Samsung i760 launch date --> Touch Pro (Paid outright for from 3rd Party) --> PAGE PLUS CELLULAR --> Touch Pro 2. As soon as they tried to extort $30 more out of me I jumped ship since I had no contract for a long time.
Retentions didn't even give a crap. Basically pulled out their violin and said cry me a river if you know what I mean. I wasn't going to pay for the data plan. They added it for a couple of days while I researched and got my phone transfered to Page Plus! Best move I could have made. Thankfully the plan I got with them was 1/3rd the price I was paying with big red directly.