Who plans to go HD2?

[jethro_static]

I am curious about this commercials. So commercials bring Millions and Millions of sales for the iPhone and HTC and MS cannot figure it out and somebody here did? Can somebody explain this.

So if HTC and MS show 20 Ads per day, It will bring them fortune. But they do not want that?

Or maybe they do know that their sales will sky rocket when they put 20 ads per day and then be bankrupt after 80% returned?

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

I am curious about this commercials. So commercials bring Millions and Millions of sales for the iPhone and HTC and MS cannot figure it out and somebody here did? Can somebody explain this.

So if HTC and MS show 20 Ads per day, It will bring them fortune. But they do not want that?

Or maybe they do know that their sales will sky rocket when they put 20 ads per day and then be bankrupt after 80% returned?

Uh, HTC DID start to advertise a bunch (recently). They only advertise the androids though for some reason.

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Uh, HTC DID start to advertise a bunch (recently). They only advertise the androids though for some reason.

The way I see it is like this. Apple advertise left and right coz they are sure that the when casual people buy it, They will keep it. They are sure that people that will switch to ATT will not regret it. They are sure that the iPhone will work properly out of the box as advertised.

Now, Sprint's Diamond for example. I gave 1 to my GF. OMG, Sprints stock ROM is terrible. It is close to unusable. But there's no problem with us bcoz I flashed it with Mighty's ROM and that damn thing worked like it should. So imagine the casual users having the Diamond. Majority of them prolly dont even know anything about the existence flashing. So what would they do? They will return it. That's not even the worst part. The worst part is that that 1 person will tell 10 people. Then those 10 people will each tell another 10 and so on. Ahhhh bad for the business. So prolly, WM phone is not advertised as much since most of WM phones sales relies on powerusers like us.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

The way I see it is like this. Apple advertise left and right coz they are sure that the when casual people buy it, They will keep it. They are sure that people that will switch to ATT will not regret it. They are sure that the iPhone will work properly out of the box as advertised.

Now, Sprint's Diamond for example. I gave 1 to my GF. OMG, Sprints stock ROM is terrible. It is close to unusable. But there's no problem with us bcoz I flashed it with Mighty's ROM and that damn thing worked like it should. So imagine the casual users having the Diamond. Majority of them prolly dont even know anything about the existence flashing. So what would they do? They will return it. That's not even the worst part. The worst part is that that 1 person will tell 10 people. Then those 10 people will each tell another 10 and so on. Ahhhh bad for the business. So prolly, WM phone is not advertised as much since most of WM phones sales relies on powerusers like us.

Well there are a few problems with that theory...

#1: If Sprint's stock ROM is so bad, then Sprint and HTC need to do a better job making the stock ROM. If Mighty and everyone here can make good ROMs, there is absolutely no reason Sprint and HTC shouldn't be able to make way better ROMs than anyone here. For the record, the stock ROM on my unlocked European Touch Pro 2 (no carrier branding, only HTC) was as good as any cooked WinMo 6.1 ROM.

#2: Verizon's stock ROM actually got really good reviews. So did AT&T's (which was WM 6.5 out of the box). I didn't see any commercials for either of them.

#3: We've all seen the HTC "You" commercials. HTC finally got the hint and started advertising. The problem is, those commercials are all for Android devices.

#4: Even aside from HTC advertising, I see about 10 T-Mobile commercials every day for the MyTouch3G. And I see a Sprint commercial where they talk about their best smartphones. They mention the Palm Pixi, Samsung Moment, and some Blackberry. So they aren't even trying.

#5: To this day, most Sprint stores don't even have a Touch Pro 2 in stock, and half the agents there don't even know anything about it. They are obviously just trying to get their commission so they will try to sell you whatever they have right there. If they actually had these phones in stock, agents would take the time to learn about them. And then they could show the customer how to use it right there in the store.

I think the real problem is- Sprint/Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile/Any other greedy ass carrier- does not want to carry Windows Mobile devices. They do NOT like the idea of consumers installing whatever app they want without the carrier getting a commission off the app sale. They do NOT like the iea of the consumer being able to WiFi tether without paying extra. They do NOT like the idea of the consumer having access to data intense apps like Slingbox without paying extra. WInmo allows all of this. The carriers always strip most of this stuff out (tethering) but we just put it right back. They can't just flat out drop WinMo because some of their largest business customers ONLY use WinMo. So they do their best to hide it form the average joe. THAT's why we don't see commercials for it, and THAT's why the rumors are Winmo 7 will be stripped down and locked down. That will get the carriers back on board with it, and gain some marketshare among consumers when they finally start advertising it. Everyone who knows anything about it will probably hae it, but it will get tons of rave reviews and sell a ton of units, with plenty of advertising.

[nrfitchett4]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Well there are a few problems with that theory...

#1: If Sprint's stock ROM is so bad, then Sprint and HTC need to do a better job making the stock ROM. If Mighty and everyone here can make good ROMs, there is absolutely no reason Sprint and HTC shouldn't be able to make way better ROMs than anyone here. For the record, the stock ROM on my unlocked European Touch Pro 2 (no carrier branding, only HTC) was as good as any cooked WinMo 6.1 ROM.

#2: Verizon's stock ROM actually got really good reviews. So did AT&T's (which was WM 6.5 out of the box). I didn't see any commercials for either of them.

#3: We've all seen the HTC "You" commercials. HTC finally got the hint and started advertising. The problem is, those commercials are all for Android devices.

#4: Even aside from HTC advertising, I see about 10 T-Mobile commercials every day for the MyTouch3G. And I see a Sprint commercial where they talk about their best smartphones. They mention the Palm Pixi, Samsung Moment, and some Blackberry. So they aren't even trying.

#5: To this day, most Sprint stores don't even have a Touch Pro 2 in stock, and half the agents there don't even know anything about it. They are obviously just trying to get their commission so they will try to sell you whatever they have right there. If they actually had these phones in stock, agents would take the time to learn about them. And then they could show the customer how to use it right there in the store.

I think the real problem is- Sprint/Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile/Any other greedy ass carrier- does not want to carry Windows Mobile devices. They do NOT like the idea of consumers installing whatever app they want without the carrier getting a commission off the app sale. They do NOT like the iea of the consumer being able to WiFi tether without paying extra. They do NOT like the idea of the consumer having access to data intense apps like Slingbox without paying extra. WInmo allows all of this. The carriers always strip most of this stuff out (tethering) but we just put it right back. They can't just flat out drop WinMo because some of their largest business customers ONLY use WinMo. So they do their best to hide it form the average joe. THAT's why we don't see commercials for it, and THAT's why the rumors are Winmo 7 will be stripped down and locked down. That will get the carriers back on board with it, and gain some marketshare among consumers when they finally start advertising it. Everyone who knows anything about it will probably hae it, but it will get tons of rave reviews and sell a ton of units, with plenty of advertising.

i'm still using sprint's rom in winmo 6.1, only using gfl's cleanup cab as a starter. no problems with freezes or major lags.
i can see your point about carriers and winmo. remember when they used to flag you for using too much data through tethering?

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Well there are a few problems with that theory...

#1: If Sprint's stock ROM is so bad, then Sprint and HTC need to do a better job making the stock ROM. If Mighty and everyone here can make good ROMs, there is absolutely no reason Sprint and HTC shouldn't be able to make way better ROMs than anyone here. For the record, the stock ROM on my unlocked European Touch Pro 2 (no carrier branding, only HTC) was as good as any cooked WinMo 6.1 ROM.

#2: Verizon's stock ROM actually got really good reviews. So did AT&T's (which was WM 6.5 out of the box). I didn't see any commercials for either of them.

#3: We've all seen the HTC "You" commercials. HTC finally got the hint and started advertising. The problem is, those commercials are all for Android devices.

#4: Even aside from HTC advertising, I see about 10 T-Mobile commercials every day for the MyTouch3G. And I see a Sprint commercial where they talk about their best smartphones. They mention the Palm Pixi, Samsung Moment, and some Blackberry. So they aren't even trying.

#5: To this day, most Sprint stores don't even have a Touch Pro 2 in stock, and half the agents there don't even know anything about it. They are obviously just trying to get their commission so they will try to sell you whatever they have right there. If they actually had these phones in stock, agents would take the time to learn about them. And then they could show the customer how to use it right there in the store.

I think the real problem is- Sprint/Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile/Any other greedy ass carrier- does not want to carry Windows Mobile devices. They do NOT like the idea of consumers installing whatever app they want without the carrier getting a commission off the app sale. They do NOT like the iea of the consumer being able to WiFi tether without paying extra. They do NOT like the idea of the consumer having access to data intense apps like Slingbox without paying extra. WInmo allows all of this. The carriers always strip most of this stuff out (tethering) but we just put it right back. They can't just flat out drop WinMo because some of their largest business customers ONLY use WinMo. So they do their best to hide it form the average joe. THAT's why we don't see commercials for it, and THAT's why the rumors are Winmo 7 will be stripped down and locked down. That will get the carriers back on board with it, and gain some marketshare among consumers when they finally start advertising it. Everyone who knows anything about it will probably hae it, but it will get tons of rave reviews and sell a ton of units, with plenty of advertising.

You said it yourself. Carriers do not want to carry Windows Mobile phone bcoz it's too unsecured, Carriers are losing out so they don't wanna advertise it. Now, If carriers will not carry WM, There is only 1 direction to go. DOWN.

[BlackDynamite]

Originally Posted by jethro_static

You said it yourself. Carriers do not want to carry Windows Mobile phone bcoz it's too unsecured, Carriers are losing out so they don't wanna advertise it. Now, If carriers will not carry WM, There is only 1 direction to go. DOWN.

I wouldn't say WinMo is unsecure. It's actually very secure (remember when the NSA was insisting Obama use a Winmo device). But it just doesn't lock the customer down the way they want. It allows way too much freedom for the greedy carriers.

There are 2 ways it can go... They can either start selling directly to the public and bypass the carriers altogether, or they can try to please the carriers.

[jethro_static]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

I wouldn't say WinMo is unsecure. It's actually very secure (remember when the NSA was insisting Obama use a Winmo device). But it just doesn't lock the customer down the way they want. It allows way too much freedom for the greedy carriers.

There are 2 ways it can go... They can either start selling directly to the public and bypass the carriers altogether, or they can try to please the carriers.

That is a different kind of security ur talking about. That is the network.
I can change WM ESN in less than 15 mins. We can tether and make it undetected. HSPL comes out few months after the release.A twelve year old boy can completely overhaul the OS anytime he wants. You call that secure?

Actually That is the only reason why we buy WM. Everyone should have heard the W7 rumor by now. No more customization, no more SD card installation and this and that. Have U seen how many will drop windows mobile in a sec? about 90% of PPCG members right now.